You want to know where the right were on Franco? The same place the left were on the tens of millions murdered by Stalin, Mao-Tse Tung, and Pol Pot.
Does that answer your question?
Mary in Brighton
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 14:43
Steven do make a big effort and try to be just a little less silly.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 14:46
Mary needs to learn that the fascists are also creatures of the left.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 15:37
If the Wakes sing it, it must be true.
At last a soul mate !!!
The same place the left were on the tens of millions murdered by Stalin, Mao-Tse Tung, and Pol Pot.
And where were " the right " while stalin, mao,and pol were murdering millions Steven ?
It wasn't about Franco specifically. It was about the rise of fascism in Europe generally. Hitler, Mussolini. Franco. While the right were colluding the left tried to do something.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 15:46
Er...they were opposing them, Mary, not making excuses for them, like the left.
You ask where the right was during the rise of fascism in Europe. Ever heard of Winston Churchill? That is unlike the left, which made a pact with the Nazis with the Molotov-Ribbentrop alliance.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 15:54
Mary, I answered a legitimate question of yours. You can't even answer it. You sound like you're very easily swayed by political pop songs. "If the Wakes sing it, it must be true."
Mary, did you attend the high school below?
Now, I'm adding some humor. This school is a fictional creation on an album of The Firesign Theatre.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 15:56
The left were murdering millions already as the fascists were coming to power.
Fascism has its roots in the left, not the right.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 16:01
The American left were against the US fighting in WWII until the Nazi forces invaded the Soviet Union. That demonstrates how they felt. The right was never for the communists.
Mary, you misunderstood my post.
"If the Wakes sing it, it must be true." is your belief, not mine.
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 16:57
Churchill couldn't give a toss about fascism. He was essentially a Victorian. He was steeped in the imperialist world view. The British modus was to pillage the non European world and maintain " the balance of power " in Europe.
He was smart and saw quickly that Hitler threatened the cherished " balance of power ".
It is hilarious to hear how the British " fought fascism " in WW2
They didn't. They fought Germany. It was no interest that Germany was run by fascists. They might as well have been the traditional Prussian Junkers
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 10:12
Mary, your last post betrays a breathtaking ignorance and an utterly warped world view. Churchill may have been an imperialist, but he warned against fascism in Europe long before the left, and at great personal cost.
You appear to be an indoctrinated dogmatic idealogue who fits facts into their politics rather than vice versa.
And of course you gloss over the left's alliance with fascism.
Tue, 08/09/2011 - 15:34
Only an imbecile could equate Stalinist Soviet Union with " the left ".
Steven...You are so right about the American " left " and the second world war.
There is an interesting collection of songs by The Almanac singers ( that included Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie )
Half of them are fervent anti American entry into the war songs, the other half are lets bash Hitler as quickly as possible songs. And it is true that the change in attitude was brought about by the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union.
The problem was that there was no socialist infrastructure in America. There was mainstream American apple pie conservative liberalism and a miniscule number of members of the communist party that took the Soviet Union as their ideological model. They had no understanding of socialism.
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 08:53
Only an apologist for the left's fawning over Stalin throughout the thirties, as he carried out his purges killing millions, could be so deluded as Mary. And as for her commens about Churchill - how disgusting and ungrateful.
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:06
Mary, you're correct about there not being a socialist infrastructure in the US. It was founded to be a more open society than Europe, with far less class stratification. The founders were wise, and freedom seemed more appealing.
Socialism has many shades. It's doctrinaire followers seem to looking for an alternative to God. Organized religion just didn't cut it for them. After looking at the results, the best I can hope for is just some
minimum level of social services. I don't agree they had no understanding of socialism. They understood it too well.
I'd rather have unequal capitalist wealth than equal poverty. It takes a lot more than good slogans and songs to make a good society. You can never make a perfect world. No matter what you do, human beings will always feel alienated for some reason. That's the human condition, and socialism won't change it.
Real Real Zionist
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 16:00
As a matter of interest.....there is just one short period in recorded history when there was no systematic, officially sponsored anti semitism in Russia. This was between the Russian revolution and the second world war.
Czarist Russia and its pogroms was the cradle of zionism. Anti semitism was associated with Czarist White Russians and indicative of counter revolutionary tendencies.
Anti semitism, for much of this time was a criminal offence punishable by death.
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