Difference between St. Andrew's incident and the West Bank


By StevenKalka
August 25, 2011
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In the accidental tragic killing of the 67 year old man in the West Bank, the IDF were raiding a Hamas cell. That raid was legitimate business.

In the other incident, the Jewish student had every right to keep an Israeli flag between his bed and the wall. What the offender did was no accident. Inebriation is no excuse.

In western legal systems, intent is 90% of the law.

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Watchful Iris (not verified)

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:00

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That kind of terror is the most basic form of human evil: the intentional infliction of fear on another human being by taking away all vestige of control from them. The very arbitrary nature of it is specifically designed to maximise the terror. Essentially it's psychological rape.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:53

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In the West Bank Palestinians are killed on a daily and no Israeli settler or soldier is brought to justice.
This does not happen at St Andrew's.
In the West Bank Palestinian homes are bulldozed and their land set on fire or attacked by illegal settlers.
This does not happen at St Andrew's.
In the West Bank communities are separated by a huge wall and Palestinian land is appropriated and their water stolen (Alan Duncan MP)
This does not happen at St Andrew's.
In the West Bank settlers living on illegal settlements attack Palestinians and Palestinian property. They are rarely if ever charged.
This does not happen at St Andrew's.
In the West Bank there are apartheid roads.
There are none at St Andrew's
In the West Bank an occupying army inflicts suffering and distress to millions of Palestinians.
This does not happen at St Andrew's.
The West Bank is covered with illegal settlements and road blocks.
St Andrew's is not.


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:04

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This is a trifling, pifling,one off incident by some drunk
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What have the NRJC got to say about the terror, brutality,and harassment meted out to Palestinians in the west bank all day every day by settlers and the IOF,just because they are not Jewish. Once again little or nothing.

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/28977

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/89448


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:42

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This doesn't happen in St Andrew's either. (no walls destroying communities:

On 22 Aug. 2011, Israel's High Court of Justice has approved surrounding the built-up area of the Palestinian village of al-Walajah with the Separation Barrier – a concrete wall nine meters high and 700 meters long. The wall will separate the village from hundreds of dunams of villagers' farmland. Only one opening will be left for entering and exiting the village, on the road that connects the village to Beit Jala in the east and reaches the area of Malha in southern Jerusalem. The planned route of the wall in the area will also surround the built-up area of the nearby village of Batir.


StevenKalka

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:00

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When they recognize Israel's right to exist, we can have peace.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:04

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When they stop building illegal settlements and firing missiles at encircled and trapped populations we can have peace.


StevenKalka

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:18

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There'd be no "settlements" if the Arabs recognized Israel from the start in 1948.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:27

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When they stop beating and killing children and building illegal settlements and apartheid roads and stealing water and committing land grabs (courtesy of Alan Duncan MP) then there will be peace.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:32

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Would this happen at St Andrew's?

around 15 Israeli settlers from the West Bank settlement of Ramat Migron, which is built on land belonging to the Makhmas village near Ramallah, attacked a 10-year-old Palestinian child with iron bars. The child suffered injuries to the head and several other parts of his body.

The 10-year old, Bassam Daud, was transferred to the Palestinian Medical Complex in Ramallah where his injuries were described as middle-level. The beating he took to the head caused deep wounds.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 13:43

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It doesn't take long to find many examples of terrible things going on in the occupied Palestinian territories courtesy of the IOF. This from UNWRA:

Campaign to save a West Bank school from demolition

UPDATE: Khan al Ahmar. Alarming developments in the West Bank community of Khan al Ahmar. Settlers from Kfar Adumim have filed a petition against the school, asking for an injunction not to re-open the school this September and pushing for the school to be swiftly demolished.

Though the Israeli Supreme Court rejected the request to close the school, the petition has set the clock ticking for the demolition of the school. Such a demolition would effectively deny the children of the community their education and jeopardise their future.


StevenKalka

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:23

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The intolerance is not a one way street, my friend. If the Jewish businesses were boycotted in Palestine before 1948, you're making a tall assumption about the viability of peace now. Your indignation is rather selective.

The intolerance for Jews by Moslem Arabs goes back centuries.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:27

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1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 5,935 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:28

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0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 24,813 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967


StevenKalka

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:38

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If Israel were on the losing end, the so called Palestinians would do far worse. They'd chase the Israelis into the sea.

I'll quote Bob Dylan in my message to the Palestinians:
"You just want to be on the side that's winning".


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:47

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So that justifies all the brutality then? Because what they may do may be worse we will treat them appallingly and inflict the most cruel and inhumane occupation on them.

That's an immoral logic.
You never know, if you treat people fairly and with respect rather than with cruelty and disdain they may reciprocate.


rushkin

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 14:48

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Israel currently has 236 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.


amber

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:11

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rushkin

1. There is no "brutality" - Israel takes legitimate action against terror groups who are sworn to Israel (and the Jews@) destruction. The UK has killed far more civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan than Israel has in defending itself. Israel never targets civilians - unlike the Palestinian terrorists.
2. The "occupation" came about because the Arab states repeatedly tried to wipe Israel off the map. They started a war in of annihilatin in 1967 which they went on to lose.
3. Judea and Samaria are not "Palestinian land" - no matter how many times you repeat the amntra. They never were, at any point in history - either as part of an independent entity, or in private ownership. It is historical illiteracy to claim they were.
4. 1.2 million Palestinian Arabs live inside Israel as citizens of the state with equal rights defined by law. No Jew lives in areas administered by the palestinian Authority or Hamas.
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StevenKalka

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:24

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Even if no Jews moved into the West Bank, at the very least Israel would need to maintain a military presence until a peace agreement was reached.


amber

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:29

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Hamas is committed to genocide of the Jews - it is written in black and white in its charter. Is this who Israel is supposed to give land to?

Worked well with Gaza, didn't it?


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:49

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Amber why don't you just whine at all of them and they'll all die of boredom?


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:53

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Problem solved.


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Fri, 08/26/2011 - 16:00

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