Another new message - should we be ashamed of this then?


By Stanley Walinets
December 30, 2011
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I was criticised for my previous posting - it was suggested that since it consisted of a statement by a Palestinian, it was suspect - indeed, that I'd 'concocted' it myself. So here's a similar experience we should make ourselves aware of, but this one comes from a young Israeli Jew. Please read on, with an open mind:

Dear Stanley,

My name is Tom Pessah. I'm an Israeli sociology student. I study in the U.S., but right now I’m back home in Israel for my research.

I’m also an activist, which is how I came to know and love Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP).

Here’s the truth. It’s hard for me, and for so many of my Israeli and Palestinian friends and allies, to stay hopeful. The obstacles to peace in our homeland seem huge. But I’ll tell you where we get our inspiration when we really need it: Jewish Voice for Peace.

You see, like many, I’ve come to believe the only way we can ever end all of this suffering is through a massive, united, Arab-Jewish movement for a just peace. The alternative is to let the pro-occupation, pro-war forces divide us.
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Some of the reasons that I support JVP:
They powerfully stood (and continue to stand) against the persecution of Muslim UC Irvine students who protested against the Israeli ambassador for being complicit in the attack on Gaza.

They were able to provide massive support for the Palestinian-led effort to desegregate buses in the West Bank. I know how important this campaign has been to my Palestinian friends.

And they gave immense backing to the beautiful multi-ethnic coalition that formed in my school, UC Berkeley, to demand divestment from American arms manufacturers accused of war crimes in Palestine.
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And if what I’ve said so far hasn’t moved you .... .... I hope the excerpt below will. It’s from a letter I just sent to a Jewish-American academic, about an aspect of life in Israel not even many Israeli Jews know about. And it illustrates exactly why the JVP way of joining together with Palestinian and Arab allies is the only way.

Dear Professor,

I'm Jewish and I didn't grow up with Palestinian Arabs, even though they are 20% of the population here, because the country is so highly segregated. In Tel Aviv, I lived for twenty years without even knowing one person who had Arab friends—not schoolmates, not romantic partners, not comrades in youth movements.

Apart from the servers in cheap cafes, or strangers in Jaffa, most of the Arabs I saw were on TV. I only made some good Arab friends when I was in university, when we are finally 'allowed' to mix. I want to share what they told me about what the Jewish state is like for them. The names are fictitious, but the people are real.

I went to visit my friend Maha in Haifa a few weeks ago. We were driving and she opened the window to ask another driver some directions, in Arabic. I asked how she knew he was a Palestinian citizen of Israel, because despite growing up in Israel I can't physically distinguish most Arabs from Mizrachim (Jews of Middle Eastern descent), unless they are wearing some distinctive clothing.

She said it isn't in the physical features but in the body language: Palestinian citizens of Israel can often recognize each other through their behavior, which essentially boils down to fearfulness and discomfort.

She can see it in the face of a driver in a car on the other side of the road. Fear of politicians that constantly threaten to transfer them out of their homes, just like the government is currently displacing thousands of Bedouins in the Negev.

Or fear of protesting, or saying too much on the phone and being invited to a "friendly conversation", because the Shabak (security service) may be listening.

Maha tried to find an apartment in Tel Aviv for several months, sleeping on friends' couches. It took many weeks until they found a landlord willing to rent to an Arab—then she was fired from her job as a waitress because she talked in Arabic to the cook in the kitchen.

A couple of weeks later I visited another friend, Amal, who lives in Nazareth. She took me past the local courthouse, which for her is the place from which sharpshooters aimed at unarmed Arab protesters in 2000, when the state killed 13 of its own citizens.

She refers to Nazareth as "the ghetto", where Arabs are forced to buy flats at prohibitive prices because so much of the land around the city has been expropriated to create neighborhoods primarily meant for Jews.

Though there are open letters circulating against renting apartments to Arabs, she managed to find a house in one of those neighborhoods, with only one other Arab family in the area. Her husband is worried that they won't be able to pay the mortgage if someone burns down their house.

Professor, I'm Jewish, and I don't want to live in a state where so many people are fearful and discriminated against. I don’t want to live in a state that oppresses its Palestinian citizens in exactly the ways we were oppressed in other countries.

I don't want them to feel out of place in their own country. We Jews have legitimate concerns, Israel should stay as a haven for Jews who are persecuted, but keeping it as a Jewish state in the form it is now is just incredibly cruel.

If you don't speak up loudly and clearly and consistently about this oppression, and if you don't say a word about the refugees, who are the relatives of Maha, and Amal and would like to be able to live close to them—just as my British relatives could come to Tel Aviv and live with me—you don't enable a joint Jewish-Arab movement to develop. You don’t ally yourself with kind, generous and conscientious people like them, the best friends and fellow citizens anyone could wish for.
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End of Tom Pessah's message. Comment, anyone?

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Advis3r

Wed, 01/04/2012 - 15:38

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The extreme left wing website Borderline crimes knows your sociology "student" very well he has plenty of form - this is what it has to say about him:

Tom Pessah has a long history of causing trouble, from Tel Aviv to California. Don’t let his kind, respectful, and unimposing tone fool you–this sociologist has more degrees than arguments you will ever win against him. Before you even press “submit” on your comment, Tom will have a dozen citations waiting for you.

Not as innocuous and open-minded as you make him out to be Walinets - bit disingenuous there aren't we the guy is a dye in the wool anti-Israel activist. Why should we accept anything he has to say?

For example this statement "She took me past the local courthouse, which for her is the place from which sharpshooters aimed at unarmed Arab protesters in 2000, when the state killed 13 of its own citizens" does not tie in with the facts which therefore means that not much credence can be placed on much else he mentions.

Between the 1st and 9th October 2000 there were violent riots in the North and Centre of the country as a consequence of the now proved false claim that the IDF had been responsible for the death of Muhammed Al-Durah and those circulating that blood libel and inciting the Arab citizens of Israel should have taken responsibility for what then occurred - but of course they will not.
For a start the Arabs were not peacefully demonstrating as Mr Pessah claims and nor were they unarmed as contemporary accounts verify there were nine days of vicious and violent rioting.
For example on 1 October 2000 in a number of areas police came under gunfire, and demonstrators threw Molotov cocktails. An Egged bus was torched at Umm al-Fahm an Arab village near Nazareth.
On 9th October 2000 in Nazareth, a crowd of mourners from a funeral procession of two violent rioters who had been killed the day before when they attacked the Jewish residential area of Nazareth approached the police station and threw rocks and firebombs at it, despite the police's decision to keep all officers inside and out of sight until quiet set in. The police responded with tear-gas; when the stone-throwing continued, the assistant-mayor and two Arab Knesset members on the scene guaranteed a cessation in exchange for a police retreat, which they did. Arab youths also vandalised traffic signals at the Canyon Junction.
Several hundred youth from Umm-al-Fahm stoned dozens of passing vehicles on Highway 65 and vandalised utility poles. The assistant mayor unsuccessfully attempted to stop the youths per agreements with police to avoid their involvement. The police still decided to keep distance, and the Umm-al-Fahm municipality finally cleared debris from the road allowing it to be reopened.
Whilst the subsequent Orr Commission apportioned some of the blame for the deaths on the Police it is important to remember that the Orr Commission also found the Arab Knesset Members present at the time responsible for the incitement which caused the riots and the subsequent deaths.
A somewhat different picture from the one Mr Pessah falsely attempts to paint. As I said he has form.


tompessah

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 14:43

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Advis3r's comment is a sad testimony of the level of discussion regarding human rights abuses by the Israeli government. Inevitably these discussions turn into smears of any critics, and citizens of the country who would prefer their government or security forces to act decently.
Advis3r claims I am being "disingenuous" calling myself a student, except that I am in fact a student, and also an activist, as I stated quite clearly in my letter.
He then lifts entire sentences from this wikipedia entry, without providing a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2000_events , but leaves out any sentences that could undermine his whitewashing of police brutality (for example, he doesn't mention that "Asel Asleh, 17, was shot at close range by Israeli police with live ammunition in Arraba. His father said he was sitting under an olive tree watching the demonstrations when police chased, surrounded and shot him" )

but most importantly, he ignores the actual evidence collected by the official committee that investigated these events - the Or Committee which he mentions at the end of his response. Here is a link to the full report http://www.adalah.org/features/commission/orreport-en.pdf
and on page 7 you can read that "the committee concluded that Maj. Gen. Waldman was responsible for putting live-fire sharpshooters into the arena. It determined that using the sharpshooters was both unjustified and against police regulations and practice. The committee also determined that Maj. Gen. Waldman, who was commander of the Valleys District of the Israel police during the events of October 2000, did not carry out proper command and monitoring procedures regarding the use of rubber-coated bullets, and allowed widespread, unjustified use of this ammunition in spite of the fact that he was aware of the
serious risks involved, including death. The committee also proved that Maj. Gen. Waldman did not order that preference be given to nonlethal weapons in responding to the disturbances.

The committee also showed that in an incident in Nazareth on Oct. 8, 2000, Maj. Gen. Waldman gave the order to fire, without giving due consideration to the risk involved in live fire on civilians. As a result of this failure, the live rounds fired by police severely wounded civilians and caused the death of at least one civilian".

So there you have it, on page 7 - live rounds fired by sharpshooters on civilians in Nazareth, which is precisely what I said in my letter. You can keep denying it, but the truth won't go away and people will still continue protesting these murders, for which no one was punished.

Shame on you for denying this.


tompessah

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 14:54

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speaking of being disingenuous, the wikipedia entry says " An Egged bus was torched at Umm al-Fahm" but Advis3r wrote " An Egged bus was torched at Umm al-Fahm an Arab village near Nazareth." The original entry doesn't make any connection between this torching and Nazareth, since Umm al-Fahm is in a different area of the country, what's called the "triangle", not in the Galilee. But Advis3r just decided to stick Nazareth in there, completely misleadingly, and then he has the chutzpa to ask "Why should we accept anything he has to say?"


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 17:09

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If you didn't know already that he makes it up as he goes along you will quickly learn.


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 13:03

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Hi Tom
Welcome to the JC blog . Do you subscribe to a two state solution .
Simple yes or no will suffice .


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 13:15

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Data summary: Source B'tselem

From the beginning of the second intifada, on 29 September 2000, until 31 December 2010, Israeli security forces killed 4,927 Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, including 970 minors (under the age of 18). At least 2,227 of those killed did not participate in hostilities; 239 were objects of targeted killing. Thousands more were injured. These figures do not include the Palestinian casualties in Operation Cast Lead, a major military attack Israel launched on the Gaza Strip from 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009.

The harm to the civilian population in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead was immense: 1,389 Palestinians were killed, 758 of whom were not participating in hostilities (including 318 minors). Over 5,300 Palestinians were injured, more than 350 of them seriously.


Mary in Brighton

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 13:43

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Lol Harvey, I would be very surprised if he is inclined to take instructions from you.


Mary in Brighton

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 13:56

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Harvey have you stopped beating your wife? A simple yes or no will suffice.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 14:50

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Mary - still a Communist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 14:52

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tom pessah

Are you happy with the virulent racism and antisemitism displayed in Palestinian society? According to the Pew Research Centre, 97% of Palestinians hold antisemitic views.

How's that for bigotry - a bigotry about which you are silent?


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:03

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rushkin, the harm inflicted on German civilians in WW2 was immense.

We must have been wrong, and the Germans right.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:04

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In addition, rushkin, your figures are wrong - even by Hamas' own admission.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:06

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Walinets, throughout the litany of your spoutings about Israel since you came to these blogs, you have never, at any time, criticized any Arab entity. Every one of your blogs is an attack on the Jewish state.


Advis3r

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:09

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Hi Tom whatever I might have written (and by the way Um al Fahm is approximately as close to Nazareth as Heathrow is to Central London and its municipality has been run by the Northern Islamic Movement. Ex-mayor Sheikh Raed Salah was arrested in 2003 on charges of raising millions of dollars for Hamas - to give it a bit of context) pales in comparison to the whopping lies which you churn out such as "which for her is the place from which sharpshooters aimed at unarmed Arab protesters in 2000, when the state killed 13 of its own citizens" conflating unarmed (which they were not) rioters with the 13 people regrettably killed who were not as you suggest killed by sharpshooters on the Court house roof but that's how you delegitimisers work and so you will not be greeted with any courtesy from me.
When you want to argue without falsifying facts then do so.
And Rushkin don't bother quoting B'tselem they get it wrong time and again!
http://maurice-ostroff.tripod.com/id328.html
As he writes ...

especially since you confirm that I correctly quoted B'Tselem's classification of combatants as "Persons who do not fulfill a 'continuous combat function' are a legitimate object of attack only when taking a direct part in hostilities (for example, on their way to fire a rocket, during the firing of the rocket, and on the way back)". This is troubling because, as I wrote, it implies that for example, a combatant who has fired fifty rockets into civilian areas of Israel, and who does so on a regular basis but is killed on a day off during a lull while enjoying a cup of coffee in a restaurant, is treated in B'Tselem's records as a civilian casualty.

And see here
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=12&x_article=1265
and here
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-btselem-witch-trials/
and here
http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial_opinion/opinion/jewish_left_must_...

For example, B’Tselem, the Israeli group dedicated to protect human rights in the conquered territories, accepted the Hamas report that more than half the Palestinian casualties in Operation Cast Lead were civilians; it then supplied these numbers to the UN Goldstone Commission, which in turn used them to support its charge that Israel deliberately targeted civilians and committed war crimes. Detailed investigations afterward showed that only 200 out of the 1,400 casualties were actual civilians, a tragic number to be sure but “by far the lowest ratio in any asymmetric conflict [guerrilla war with combatants embedded in the civilian population] in the history of warfare,” according to Col. Richard Kemp, who headed the British Army in Afghanistan.
These later findings led Richard Goldstone himself to repudiate the charges of targeting civilians. But due to B’Tselem’s and other human rights NGOs’ uncritical acceptance of Hamas claims and the distorted Palestinian narrative, the damage was done. The residue of constantly repeated poisonous portrayals of Israel are toxic — especially among academics, university students, the radical left and mass media.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:09

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First of all the figures are from B'tselem and are not mine.

Secondly there is no analogy between Germany and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Germany was an armed, industrialised nation engaged in a war of expansion.

The Palestinians are occupied and unarmed (when compared to the US tax funded weapons Israel has). Whilst Germany had technology and weaponary the Palestinians have stones and non violent resistance.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:18

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Amber and Jose - you need to talk to each other. One of you says the figures are from Hamas and the other that the figures are not correct (according to Hamas)

Come on, surely the Judeofascist Front can do better than that?


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:21

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rushkin

Btselem have a long history of skewed figures - and are themselves an anti-Israel agenda driven lobby group. Hardly the most impartial source. Look at Hamas' own admission that most of the casualties consisted of its combatants - a remarkable achievement, given the fact that Hamas routinely uses its own civilians as human shields. Perhaps you should look at Col Richard Kemp's analysis of Cast Lead, (former head of British forces in Afghanistan).

Analogies are alwyas a little misleading. However, your point was that civilians suffered in Cast Lead, thus rendering Cast Lead morally wrong. I pointed out that German civilians suffered immensely in WW2 as well - indeed, for every British civilian killed in the war, we killed 10 German civilians.

Isn't that "disproportionate"? Isn't that wrong?

Do you conclude that Germany was a victim of British aggression? (Incidentally, we waged war on Germany, not the other way round). I am merely pointing out the vacuity of your case.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:22

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rushkin, the term "Judeofascist" is utterly shameful. You are a racist scumbag.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:23

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You clearly haven't bothered to look at Hamas' own figures before spouting your errant nonsense. Do your homework rushkin. How can you reach conclusions before you even have the facts? (Unless you are a rabid Jewhater - as your terminology indicates).


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:24

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Th etrm "Judeofascist" is freely employed on the JC blogs.

Incredible - and illuminating.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:25

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rushkin, for your info, I'm not even a Jew - you complete bigot.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:38

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B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.

B'Tselem in Hebrew literally means "in the image of," and is also used as a synonym for human dignity. The word is taken from Genesis 1:27 "And God created humans in his image. In the image of God did He create him." It is in this spirit that the first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "All human beings are born equal in dignity and rights."

As an Israeli human rights organization, B'Tselem acts primarily to change Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories and ensure that its government, which rules the Occupied Territories, protects the human rights of residents there and complies with its obligations under international law.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:40

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The State of Israel killed 180 Palestinians in 2011, including 21 children. The year also saw 3,300 Palestinians in the West Bank and Jerusalem detained by the Israeli occupation authorities.

In 2011 alone the government of the Zionist state approved the construction of another 26,837 settlement units across the Occupied Palestinian Territories, including 1,664 housing units in and around Occupied Jerusalem; almost 4,000 acres of land belonging to Palestinians have been confiscated by Israel; 495 houses have been demolished; and 18,764 olive and fruit trees have been uprooted.


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:43

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Oh oh
Bad hair day Mary ?


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:45

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rushkin, of course the point I made to you about Germany has gone completely over your head - blinded by Jew hatred as you are. If you wish to reduce the conflict to lists of casualties, fine. Ignore all context, and you can paint whatever picture you like.

But don't don't pretend such intellectually flawed and simplistic analysis provides anything other than an expression of your hatred.

And, I note, you do not address Btselem's figure, and Hamas' admission that Btselem got it wrong. Instead, you launch into a generalised defence of your sacred cow.

A man who uses the term "Judeofascist" yet defends Btselem. Says something about both of them.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:46

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rushkin, I wonder iof you are so concerned about the complete lack of human rights in all areas administered by the Palestinians themselves - whether Fatah in Judea and Samaria or Hamas in Gaza.

Hypocrite.


tompessah

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:50

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Advis3r, I'm really not interesting in engaging you, but for anyone else reading this, Israel is a small country and many areas are close to each other. Tel Aviv is about an hour away from Jerusalem. The point is, however, that there was no connection between the incidents in Umm el Fahem that you referred to and the shooting at protestors in Nazareth, which is a least half an hour's ride away.

I wrote that the Nazareth courthouse "which for her is the place from which sharpshooters aimed at unarmed Arab protesters in 2000, when the state killed 13 of its own citizens". Anyone reading this sentence understands that the courthouse was the place where the sharpshooters shot at protestors (in a way which was "was both unjustified and against police regulations and practice", according to the Or Commission), and that this shooting occurred in the year 2000, when the state killed 13 of its own citizens. You can read about the other killings in the report I linked to - this wasn't the only place where "unjustified" shootings occurred. I did not imply anywhere that all 13 were killed in Nazareth. So I don't see what the "whooping lies" are exactly. And yes, I am hoping to "delegitimize" shooting at protestors, discrimination and a range of other practices that you seem to find legitimate.


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:51

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Rushkin aka Moeran inveterate Israel hater over at CIF
Any estimates how many Palestinians would have been alive today had they not decided to launch the Intifada and opted to murder as many israeli s as possible in waves of homicide bombings .


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:52

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'whether Fatah in Judea and Samaria'

You mean The West Bank.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:53

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Any estimates how many Palestinians would have been alive today had they not decided to launch the Intifada and opted to murder as many israeli s as possible in waves of homicide bombings .

How many Palestinians would be alive if they hadn't been pushed from their homes and massacred during the Nakba?


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:54

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One state or two Tom?


tompessah

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:56

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Harvey, I think people spend too much time discussing hypothetical solutions, rather than injustices in the present. For example this - "Seven-month old Gaza baby dies awaiting Israeli permission for operation" http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2012/01/01/seven-month-gaza-baby-....

If you can think of a fix for all the issues of discrimination within a two-state framework, that's fine, but personally I think it would be simpler to have full equality before the law within one state - just like the UK isn't officially defined as a state for Christians or white people (even if there is informal discrimination against various groups). However, as I said, I don't think it's urgent to discuss this - it's more urgent to prevent suffering in the present.


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 15:56

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Rushkin
Sorry Rushkin , I don't buy into revisionist takes on history .
Try CIF for a friendly ear .


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:04

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No rushkin - the term "West Bank" was invented by Jordan in the 60's. It's Judea and Samaria - not that history is your strong point.

Your racism is abhorrent.


Harvey

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:04

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Thx Tom for the ' honest' reply . Of course theorists like you fail to take into account Israel is a thriving independent nation and its citizens are hardly likely to wake one morning , hold a referendum and vote themselves out of existence . The only other way to achieve your reformation of Israeli society in that case would be through existential war and bloodshed on a hitherto unprecedented scale . But that never bothers people like you . The cause is everything and damn the consequences. Usual Marxist theory .
Anyway I think Israel is inclined to pass on your grand gesture for the time being .
Still thank you for stating your position . Quite refreshing considering the usual bds mendacity and hipocrisy .


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:05

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tom pessah - unable to answer a simple question. Now we know where you're coming from. Just wish you had the guts to admit you want Israel gone.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:06

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Pessah also sidestpes the racism endemic in Palestinian society.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:09

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September 2011

Ibrahim Adnan Abd-Rabo al-Zaza, 14, of Gaza City, Gaza, died at an Israeli hospital of wounds sustained from a missle fired by an IDF drone on Aug. 19 while playing with his cousin near al-Wafa Hospital in Gaza city.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:10

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August 2011

Haitham Ahmad Mustafa Maruf, 13, of Beit Lahiya, Gaza, died in Shifa Hospital, Gaza, of wounds sustained from an IDF drone attack while working on his family farm on August 21.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:11

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16 August 2011

Saed Abdul-Rahim Mahmoud al-Majdalawi, 17, of Nusseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head and chest near the Gaza perimeter fence northeast of Dier al-Balah, Gaza. Paramedics were prevented from reaching the mentally-disabled and speech-imparied youth for more than an hour.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:17

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rushkin, I don't trust any of your "stories" because, by your own admission, you quote Btselem, which is an anti-Israel lobby group, which has been shown time and again to use false statistics to further its own ends. In addition, someone who uses the term "Judeofascist" is a simple racist.

Again, reducing the conflict to casualty figures in the absence of all context is the refuge of the disingenuous, or those unable to launch any more sophisticated argument.

againm you ignore the Hamas figures, which trash your own, whilst you also ignore little details like the fact that around 10,000 Gazans receive free medical treatment in Israel every year - a situation which is unique in the world, where citizens of one governing entity which is pledged to the genocide of the other (Hamas' advocacy of genocide against all Jews worldwide) is rewarded by the victim of such aggression with medical treatment, energy supplies, etc.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:19

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Perhaps, rushkin, if Hamas ceased its religiously inspired bigotry against the Jews, and stopped trying to kill them, such self-defensive measures would not be necessary.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:20

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The context is the occupation and siege.

13 May 2011

Milad Said Ali Isa Ayash, 17, of Silwan, Jerusalem, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen in Ras al-Amud, Jerusalem while walking past two Palestinian homes occupied by Israeli settlers.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:21

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'Self Defence' by the IOF?

8 April 2011

Mahmoud Wael Muhammad al-Jaro, 10, of Shujaiya, east of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while playing in the Tunisian cemetery near Shujaiya, Gaza.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:22

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rushkin has lost the plot.

And his racism is shameful, no matter how many decontextualised little tales he tells. Having been proved wrong with his statistics, he has gone into overdrive.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:24

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Maybe there wouldn't be a siege (which allows tens of thousands of tons of suplies into Gaza each month - a strange "siege" - that) if the governing body of Gaza, Hamas, did not engage in terrorism and racially driven attempts at genocide.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:24

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The life expectancy in Gaza is higher than in Turkey. There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:25

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rushkin's use of the term "Judeofascist" is a disgrace.


amber

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:26

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rushkin, you have lost the argument when you are reduced to cutting and pasting from anti-Jewish websites.


rushkin

Fri, 01/06/2012 - 16:31

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'There is no siege'

Dec 2011 UN

That growth was still significantly lower than pre-blockade levels, dampening the prospect of reversing the trend of worsening poverty and aid dependency among ordinary people in Gaza, UNRWA points out.

The private sector continues to be badly affected by the restrictions on exports. While the informal economy provided for wider imports, the blockade continues to restrict exports, which currently stand at just over 3 per cent of pre-blockade levels, preventing sustainable economic growth, the report points out

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