MEMO 315


By SCoJeC
July 22, 2012
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MEMO 315 A weekly overview of information of interest to minority ethnic communities in Scotland, including parliamentary activity at Holyrood and Westminster, new publications, consultations, forthcoming conferences and news reports.
http://www.scojec.org/memo/2012/memo_315_23_july_2012.pdf

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suzanna

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 09:48

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''Only'' 1,180, 483 signatures so far

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/


Advis3r

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:17

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suzanna anything so as not to negotiate a true peace treaty.
You honestly believe Israel will just sit by and do nothing? The reason for this is clear Abbas will be called a traitor if he signs any peace treaty with Israel and he will face the same fate as Sadat - so he is taking the coward's way out.
It won't work but of course in the discredited General Assembly which basically run by the Arab/Muslim States who can count on passing a resolution that day is night and night is day if ever they wanted to.
The Oslo accords called for both sides not to do anything which would jeopardise a negotiated two state solution. Despite the provocations by the terrorists to derail this Israel has done nothing which would prevent a two state solution.
If Abbas goes ahead with this however the deal's off and any gains previously made by the Palestinians will be washed down the toilet of history when Israel annexes the whole of Judea and Samaria - those Arabs who want citizenship will be offered it but they will come under Israeli Law something they will be probably want anyway seeing what happens when Hamas govern a territory. You see I have no fear of or objection to having Arabs as citizens of Israel.
Have your five minutes of fun because that is all it will be.


Viv Hanshall

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:17

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The Oslo accords called for both sides not to do anything which would jeopardise a negotiated two state solution. Despite the provocations by the terrorists to derail this Israel has done nothing which would prevent a two state solution.

Apart from continue to build illegal settlements that is.
And to demolish Palestinian homes (more demolitions announced just this week) and to continue to deny millions of people the right of movement, trade, travel or to build their economy. And of course the Palestinians have no freedom of security


Advis3r

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:48

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"Apart from continue to build illegal settlements that is."

Show me one section in the Oslo Accords where Israel is prevented from building settlements in Judea and Samaria which are despite your claim to the contrary, perfectly legal?

Where does it say in the Oslo Accords that no Jew is permitted to live in the proposed Palestinian State?

Before the Palestinians decided to have an Intifada because Arafat was unable or unwilling to sign a peace treaty or even negotiate one in good faith and started blowing up Israeli children in buses and cafes the Palestinians had plenty of movement and freedom.

Israelis shopped in Palestinian villages and Palestinians worked and shopped in Israel and had a better economy and standard of living than the Jordanians - but obviously murdering Jews was deemed a better way of advancing their interests - except this time the Jews were not having it.

Illegal structures are demolished by Governments all around the world. Why do the Palestinians deserve dispensation if they break the law? Where I live you can't even put up a pergola without a permit.


Harvey

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:52

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Viv Henshall
A little context would not go amiss .
Prior to the Second Intifada , there were few restrictictions on Palestinian movement on the West Bank . The Palestinian economy was strong compared to the rest of the Arab Middle East with many thousands of Palestinians crossing the border each day into Israel being employed in many sectors of the economy .
The Intifada changed all that . More than a 1000 Israelis were murdered in a wave of homicide bombings carried out by Palestinian brain washed terrorists .
So now the formerly open border has been sealed and a security fence erected to prevent Palestinian incursion . Travel is restricted but has been eased in the last 18 months .
Unfortunately Palestinian workers have been replaced by Chinese , Philipino and Eastern Europeans .
Why should Israel reward Palestinian malice with gainful employment or unrestricted movement . It's merely an example of cause and effect . The cause being the replacement of dialogue and negotiation with the Intifada and the effect the subsequent separating off of people and land .


Viv Hanshall

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:59

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The entire world community considers the settlements an obstacle to peace. The expansion of the settlement programme after the Oslo Accords caused a deterioration of the economic condition for Palestinians plus increased frustration.
Despite repeated calls from around the world to stop the settlements (as they are a barrier to negotiations) Israel continues. Because it cares not for peace and justice.

The settlements are, of course, Apartheid by their very nature.


joshua789

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:02

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Harvey, is it true what is written on these talkbacks - that you're a cabbie!!?


Viv Hanshall

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:43

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'Where I live you can't even put up a pergola without a permit'.

So if you did would that mean a bulldozer and armed soldiers would come and evict you before grinding your house into the earth?

Of course not. That only happens to Palestinians. Stop trying to pretend that there is any equity in the situation in the West Bank.


Harvey

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:52

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Viv
If we are to believe that the only thing preventing an irrevocable peace accord is the question of settlements, what prevented the Palestinians from declaring independence at any time between 1948 and 1967 when there was no occupation and no settlements .
Why would Israel withdraw now from the West Bank ( as they did from Gaza ) when the PA add the caveat that such a withdrawal followed by the declaration of a Palestinian state does not negate the RoR for all Palestinian 'refugees ' to pre 67 Israel .
Hamas go several stages further and declare in their Covenant that all of Palestine between the River and the Sea is an Islamic Waqf ie they absolutely refuse to countenance the existence of a Jewish state in any form within that region .


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:02

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Good luck Viv


happygoldfish

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:56

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"only" 106,500 signatures so far!


Advis3r

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:19

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Viv if I was to erect an unauthorised building and refused to demolish it that is precisely what would happen. Just see what happened in Beit El just a few weeks ago ...

Oh and Joshua at least Harvey is not ashamed of what he does for a living whereas you ...


Advis3r

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:51

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"The expansion of the settlement programme after the Oslo Accords caused a deterioration of the economic condition for Palestinians plus increased frustration." Where did you cut and paste that from?
You made the ridiculous claim now prove that the direct cause of the addition of about 150,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria since 1994 has caused a deterioration of the economic condition for Palestinians.
Sometimes it would pay to actually think about what you have written before you press the submit button.
Today, approximately 300,000 Jews live in 122 communities in Judea and Samaria. The overwhelming majority of these settlements have a population of fewer than 1,000 residents, 40 percent have fewer than 500 and several have only a few dozen residents.
Contrary to Palestinian-inspired hysteria (which you happily regurgitate) about settlement expansion, the truth is only five settlements have been built since 1990 and all of the Gazan and a number of the Samarian settlements have been demolished.
While Palestinians and you on their behalf complain about settlements, an estimated 35,000 Palestinians work in them and support a population of more than 200,000.


zaheerayin

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:12

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Goldfish, how many signatures do you think it's going to take to make it happen?


Advis3r

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:24

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Joshua

Whenever a Palestinian child is killed by an Israeli settler or soldier (and there have been hundreds killed) it is always 'unfortunate' a 'mistake' 'regrettable' a 'tragedy'.
But the same does not apply the other way around.

You said it of course it does not apply the other way round - the Palestinians hand out sweets and celebrate the death of every Jewish child there is never any regret it is an occasion for great rejoicing. You really don't get it do you? BTW don't project your own insincerity on us.


happygoldfish

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:54

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"only" 107,000 signatures so far!


happygoldfish

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 10:02

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from al arabiya news two days ago (24/7/2012) …
Bahram Afsharzadeh, head of the Iranian Olympic Mission, said Monday … that Iran would “respect” a minute of silence if it was held in the opening ceremony to remember the 11 Israelis murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

Afsharzadeh spoke in the athletes’ village after signing the “truce wall,” an initiative calling on warring parties around the world to end hostilities during the games.

"only" 108,500 signatures so far!


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 10:43

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"The widows of two of the Israelis murdered at the Munich Olympics emerged distraught and heartbroken following a meeting with IOC President Jacques Rogge this evening."

Pleased with yourself goldfish ? Having a ball are you ?


happygoldfish

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 11:21

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Real Real Zionist: "The widows of two of the Israelis murdered at the Munich Olympics emerged distraught and heartbroken following a meeting with IOC President Jacques Rogge this evening."

all the more reason to keep up the pressure on rogge

the iranian delegation have said they don't mind

president obama "absolutely" supports a minute of silence for the 11 murdered olympians, see http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-backs-olympics-moment-silence-...

if some arab delegations can also be encouraged to make it clear that they don't mind, then rogge may stop making excuses

we shouldn't give up until tomorrow evening


happygoldfish

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 17:56

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"only" 109,000 signatures so far!


happygoldfish

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 14:41

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"only" 110,000 signatures so far!


suzanna

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 15:03

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'Only' 1,180,491 signatures so far!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/


happygoldfish

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 15:46

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suzanna: 'Only' 1,180,491 signatures so far!

that's for a political petition (for immediate independence for palestine, plus the "right of return" into israel, and without security guarantees for israel), on a subject continually in the news

political petitions on newsworthy matters easily gather signatures

this olympic petition is a non-political humanitarian petition on a matter that has received hardly any coverage (this year, say), except in the jewish and israeli press …

110,000 signatures (including support from president obama) is a considerable achievement!


happygoldfish

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 18:11

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"only" 110,370 signatures so far!

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