MEMO 315


By SCoJeC
July 22, 2012
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MEMO 315 A weekly overview of information of interest to minority ethnic communities in Scotland, including parliamentary activity at Holyrood and Westminster, new publications, consultations, forthcoming conferences and news reports.
http://www.scojec.org/memo/2012/memo_315_23_july_2012.pdf

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happygoldfish

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:17

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go to http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-o... to sign the minute-of-silence petition

(afterwards, click the facebook logo to invite your facebook friends to sign)

Tell the International Olympic Committee: 40 Years is Enough!
At the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, eleven members of the Israeli team were murdered. For forty years their families have asked the International Olympic Committee to observe a minute of silence, in their memory. Please help us by signing our petition.
I am the wife of Andrei Spitzer. My husband was killed at those Olympic Games in 1972.
I am asking for one minute of silence for the memory of the eleven Israeli athletes, coaches and referees murdered at the 1972 summer Olympics in Munich. Just one minute — at the 2012 London Summer Olympics and at every Olympic Game, to promote peace.
These men were sons; fathers; uncles; brothers; friends; teammates; athletes. They came to Munich in 1972 to play as athletes in the Olympics; they came in peace and went home in coffins, killed in the Olympic Village and during hostage negotiations.
The families of the Munich 11 have worked for four decades to obtain recognition of the Munich massacre from the International Olympic Committee. We have requested a minute of silence during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics starting with the ’76 Montreal Games. Repeatedly, these requests have been turned down. The 11 murdered athletes were members of the Olympic family; we feel they should be remembered within the framework of the Olympic Games.
We are asking again to be heard in time for the 2012 London Summer Olympics. In 2010 JCC Rockland, New York contacted me and offered their help and made it their mission for their 2012 JCC Maccabi Games to honor the Munich 11 through multiple events as well as spearheading this petition.
Silence is a fitting tribute for athletes who lost their lives on the Olympic stage. Silence contains no statements, assumptions or beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret.
I have no political or religious agenda. Just the hope that my husband and the other men who went to the Olympics in peace, friendship and sportsmanship are given what they deserve. One minute of silence will clearly say to the world that what happened in 1972 can never happen again. Please do not let history repeat itself. 
For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,"  is more powerful than politics.
40 years is long enough to wait.
Go to www.munich11.org to learn more about how the JCC Rockland, in New York took up our fight to remedy injustice with the support & gratitude of the families of the Munich 11 and to learn the history of a day we should never forget.
Thank you,  Ankie Spitzer and JCC Rockland.

"only" 103,000 signatures so far!


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:33

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As Deborah Lipstadt says:

The families have also been told that a commemoration of this sort was inappropriate at the opening of such a celebratory event. However, the IOC has memorialized other athletes who died “in the line of duty.” At the 2010 winter games, for example, there was a moment of silence to commemorate an athlete who died in a training accident.

The IOC’s explanation is nothing more than a pathetic excuse. The athletes who were murdered were from Israel and were Jews—that is why they aren’t being remembered. The only conclusion one can draw is that Jewish blood is cheap, too cheap to risk upsetting a bloc of Arab nations and other countries that oppose Israel and its policies.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/106409/jewish-blood-is...


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:39

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I don't think the IOC believes 'Jewish blood is cheap'.
The Olympics is a corporate feel good event and kneeling to Israeli self pity is not something the corporations (and games organisers) wish to do.
Many people in the West and in the East accept that Black September were part of the Palestinian struggle for freedom. This would also have to be acknowledged along with the death of the athletes. After all, the IOC represents the family of Olympic nations and not just the view of Israel.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:43

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For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,” is more powerful than politics.

Except if they are Palestinians of course. Why are, for example, Palestinians sports men held in Israeli custody for years without charge or access to a fair trial?

Where is the 'fair play' in that?


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:05

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joshua789 for your information there was a minute's silence in 2002 for the victims of 9/11 so your claim of "kneeling to Israeli self pity is not something the corporations (and games organisers) wish to do" seems to neatly prove what Deborah Lipstadt says.
You intimate that the brutal terrorist murder of 11 Israeli athletes (they didn't just die) was a legitimate act of resistance which you equate with the detention of suspected terrorists who just happen to be sportsmen - (the moral morass which you must occupy to even come up with such an equivalency is simply mind boggling) quite frankly what you have written is just "politically correct" anti-Semitism which would no doubt be applauded on the Guardian website.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:13

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According to Joshua89 these are justified as being part of the struggle for Palestinian freedom in addition to the massacre at Munich Airport:

28 November 1971: the assassination of Jordan's prime minister, Wasfi Tel, in retaliation for the expulsion of the PLO from Jordan in 1970-71;
December 1971: attempted assassination of Zeid al Rifai, Jordan's ambassador to London and former chief of the Jordanian royal court;
6 February 1972: sabotage of a West German electrical installation and gas plants in Ravenstein and Ommen in the Netherlands and in Hamburg in West Germany;
8 May 1972: hijacking of a Belgian aircraft, Sabena Flight 572, flying from Vienna to Lod.
September and October 1972: dozens of letter bombs were sent from Amsterdam to Israeli diplomatic posts around the world, killing Israeli Agricultural Counselor Ami Shachori in Britain.
1 March 1973: attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, killing Cleo Noel, United States Chief of Mission to Sudan, George Curtis Moore, the US Deputy Chief of Mission to Sudan, and Guy Eid, the Belgian chargé d'affaires to Sudan


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:19

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Jose - Murder is murder - death is death - whether it is by balaclava wearing militants or uniformed fighter pilots firing missiles into children's bedrooms.
One can't classify one person's death as more worthy than another's.
Regarding the sports men held in Israeli goals - if they are guilty charge them and put them on trial. Show the evidence, hold policy up to scrutiny. Holding someone indefinitely because you 'suspect' them of doing something is state terrorism.
And criticising Israel does not make me a 'self hater' or an 'anti Semite'. Let’s move on from that silliness.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:24

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Jose - I have said before that it is best not to list atrocities as those committed by Israel would fill several dozen pages.
Plus it doesn't move the debate on. It just sinks in the mire of - 'he did this, they did that, they said this' etc.
Discussing how to move on from the current impasse takes much more imagination and courage than just banging on about 'terror' and 'anti Semitism' or silly name calling every time you take a dislike to someone's opinion.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:46

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That's the point though isn't it? Whenever a Palestinian child is killed by an Israeli settler or soldier (and there have been hundreds killed) it is always 'unfortunate' a 'mistake' 'regrettable' a 'tragedy'.
But the same does not apply the other way around.

Applying two standards is bigotry, racism or shall we say 'anti Muslim'?

Now as for those incarcerated without trial why not show the evidence, hold up the policy of administrative detention to scrutiny? Stop terrorising millions of people because of their ethnicity.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:52

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What's with the Jose? Having trouble focussing?
You wanted to rationalise Black September's actions so I pointed out what you were justifying. What has that to do with alleged Israeli attrocities - we are supposedly talking about according some dignity to 11 Israeli athletes who were murdered by terrorists as such your comments are indefensible.
Your further attempt to equate "balaclava wearing militants or uniformed fighter pilots firing missiles into children's bedrooms" evidences a total lack of moral clarity. Are you suggesting that the deliberate targetted murder of children riding on a bus or sitting in a cafe is equivalent to the unfortunate and regrettable deaths of children whose deaths were totally unintended? Do Israelis ride around giving out sweets when Palestinians lose their lives?
In any event what has criticising Israel to do with equating and justifying terrorism to explain the lack of a minute's silence for the of 11 Israeli murdered athletes - as I said "politically correct" anti-Semitism.


happygoldfish

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:55

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go to http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-o... to sign the minute-of-silence petition

(afterwards, click the facebook logo to invite your facebook friends to sign)

Tell the International Olympic Committee: 40 Years is Enough!
At the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, eleven members of the Israeli team were murdered. For forty years their families have asked the International Olympic Committee to observe a minute of silence, in their memory. Please help us by signing our petition.
I am the wife of Andrei Spitzer. My husband was killed at those Olympic Games in 1972.
I am asking for one minute of silence for the memory of the eleven Israeli athletes, coaches and referees murdered at the 1972 summer Olympics in Munich. Just one minute — at the 2012 London Summer Olympics and at every Olympic Game, to promote peace.
These men were sons; fathers; uncles; brothers; friends; teammates; athletes. They came to Munich in 1972 to play as athletes in the Olympics; they came in peace and went home in coffins, killed in the Olympic Village and during hostage negotiations.
The families of the Munich 11 have worked for four decades to obtain recognition of the Munich massacre from the International Olympic Committee. We have requested a minute of silence during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics starting with the ’76 Montreal Games. Repeatedly, these requests have been turned down. The 11 murdered athletes were members of the Olympic family; we feel they should be remembered within the framework of the Olympic Games.
We are asking again to be heard in time for the 2012 London Summer Olympics. In 2010 JCC Rockland, New York contacted me and offered their help and made it their mission for their 2012 JCC Maccabi Games to honor the Munich 11 through multiple events as well as spearheading this petition.
Silence is a fitting tribute for athletes who lost their lives on the Olympic stage. Silence contains no statements, assumptions or beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret.
I have no political or religious agenda. Just the hope that my husband and the other men who went to the Olympics in peace, friendship and sportsmanship are given what they deserve. One minute of silence will clearly say to the world that what happened in 1972 can never happen again. Please do not let history repeat itself. 
For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,"  is more powerful than politics.
40 years is long enough to wait.
Go to www.munich11.org to learn more about how the JCC Rockland, in New York took up our fight to remedy injustice with the support & gratitude of the families of the Munich 11 and to learn the history of a day we should never forget.
Thank you,  Ankie Spitzer and JCC Rockland.

"only" 103,200 signatures so far!


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:05

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'unfortunate and regrettable' it's that double speak again. Applying two standards to death according to who does the killing and who is killed. It is the language of the JudeoFascist.
There are plenty of instances of the deliberate killing of civilians by the Israeli army. But listing them is not what I aim to do. (Plus who has the time for that!)
If the IOC were to routinely have a minute's silence then there would most likely be huge disdain for the project not only by governments but also by populations as many realise that the Palestinians fight for freedom and an end to occupation is justified. (And that does not mean the demise of Israel it means independence and an end to occupation for the Palestinians)
As I maintain, the methods may be dissimilar – balaclava or Drones – but the result is the same; Death.

Now as for those incarcerated without trial why not show the evidence, hold up the policy of administrative detention to scrutiny? Stop terrorising millions of people because of their ethnicity.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:09

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"But the same does not apply the other way around." Of course it does not - from the Hamas Charter: 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

Administrative detention is used by almost every other democratic state why do you single out Israel which unlike most other democratic states is in a continuous state of war with people who subscribe to the above.

"Stop terrorising millions of people because of their ethnicity" tell that to the Palestinians and they will have the state they want.

Of course however you set up these straw man arguments to deflect from the fact that you oppose a minute's silence totally on political grounds. You just hate Israel admit it, which explains your pathetic attempts to justify the worst terrorist excesses.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:12

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Jose - use your imagination, use your courage and move on from the 'charter' and accept that the world would not permit Hamas (even if it was remotely capable) to threaten Israel. Collectively punishing millions of people is state terrorism though and affording Palestinians the right to a future and dignity may just bring an end to the so called 'terrorism' that you allude to. Why not try it?
You should remember, of course, that it is Israel that builds walls and roadblocks, that imprisons thousands including hundreds of children, that fires missiles into urban areas, blockades millions of people and steadily demolishes houses (belonging to Palestinians only) and steals land (belonging to Palestinians only) This is terrorism and apartheid.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:13

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And anyway - Hamas isn't in the West Bank so what is your excuse for treating the Palestiniasn in the West Bank like s**t?


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:15

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There are plenty of instances of the deliberate killing of civilians by the Israeli army. But listing them is not what I aim to do. (Plus who has the time for that!)

No that's not the reason it's because Israel would not let a proven deliberate killing go unpunished. But please do not let facts get in the way of a jolly good unsubstantiated lie.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:24

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"Hamas isn't in the West Bank so what is your excuse for treating the Palestiniasn in the West Bank like s**t"
There is no excuse there are valid reasons for what Israel does in Judea and Samaria.
1. They are not treated as you say.
2. Israel has to deal with terrorism something of which you are obviously completely unaware.
3. Israel has to deal with brainwashed children who are taught that it is brave to throw rocks at civilian cars in order to kill the occupants or enter settlements and slit the throats of sleeping infants you know every day occurrences in London or wherever else you live.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:27

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I don't want to go down the road of listing Israel's atrocities - it's pointless and gets us nowhere.
There are plenty of instances of the killing of civilians by Israeli soldiers. No one is ever punished. You know that as well as I do.
I am more interested in discussing how to solve the problem. And the first step is to acknowledge that Palestinians are people and have rights. And that a future Apartheid West Bank is not viable. If Israel wishes to occupy the West Bank then the Palestinians living there must be afforded equal rights. Otherwise they must be pushed out or killed - which is the Judeofascist way of doing things.


joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:29

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joshua789

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:30

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Israel has to deal with brainwashed children who are taught that it is brave to throw rocks at civilian cars in order to kill the occupants or enter settlements and slit the throats of sleeping infants you know every day occurrences in London or wherever else you live.

This comment proves that you are a racist. I bet you enjoyed that video of the child being kicked by two adult soldiers.

Jose - you are a fascist.


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 16:59

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Joshua have you ever given serious assessment to the immense and immutable benefits of not bickering with the nutjob ?

The Munich massacre must never be forgotten. My problem with the minute's silence thing is the play on " Olympic ideals. "

The Olympics are a nightmare. Just about money and nationalist chest beating. The personification of the nightmare of the Nation State.

The families of the victims of the Munich outrage would be best advised to seek comfort and remembrance just about anywhere but the Olympics.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:22

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"would be best advised to seek comfort and remembrance just about anywhere but the Olympics"

Obviously the people most affected by this tragedy do not agree - hardly surprising considering the extreme positions you always take.

You have used "nutjob" plenty of times now apparently nothing more original to deflect from your palpable inadequacies?


Ben F

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:23

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In the mean time, in the Middle East's only Western style liberal democracy, life goes on.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-orders-demolition-o...


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:34

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The idea that the modern Olympics are a resurrection of the classical Olympic ideals is hillarious. The classical Olympics were not about Athens v Sparta v Platea v Corinth v Thebes v Argos. No flag waving. Just about individual excellence.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:35

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"This comment proves that you are a racist."

Please explain how it proves I am a racist?

"I bet you enjoyed that video of the child being kicked by two adult soldiers."

I bet I didn't but the truth wouldn't interest you, obviously. You are totally off the wall.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:44

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Only someone without an ounce of decency could post that BenF, but we've known that all along.

After all it was only 11 Jews who were murdered and that has everything to do with a petition to court for house demolitions which happens all round the world every day of the year.


happygoldfish

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:56

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Real Real Zionist: No flag waving. Just about individual excellence.

who's flag-waving?

11 individuals were murdered at the olympics, and the olympics should honour those individuals … no flag-waving


happygoldfish

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 17:57

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go to http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-o... to sign the minute-of-silence petition

(afterwards, click the facebook logo to invite your facebook friends to sign)

Tell the International Olympic Committee: 40 Years is Enough!
At the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, eleven members of the Israeli team were murdered. For forty years their families have asked the International Olympic Committee to observe a minute of silence, in their memory. Please help us by signing our petition.
I am the wife of Andrei Spitzer. My husband was killed at those Olympic Games in 1972.
I am asking for one minute of silence for the memory of the eleven Israeli athletes, coaches and referees murdered at the 1972 summer Olympics in Munich. Just one minute — at the 2012 London Summer Olympics and at every Olympic Game, to promote peace.
These men were sons; fathers; uncles; brothers; friends; teammates; athletes. They came to Munich in 1972 to play as athletes in the Olympics; they came in peace and went home in coffins, killed in the Olympic Village and during hostage negotiations.
The families of the Munich 11 have worked for four decades to obtain recognition of the Munich massacre from the International Olympic Committee. We have requested a minute of silence during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics starting with the ’76 Montreal Games. Repeatedly, these requests have been turned down. The 11 murdered athletes were members of the Olympic family; we feel they should be remembered within the framework of the Olympic Games.
We are asking again to be heard in time for the 2012 London Summer Olympics. In 2010 JCC Rockland, New York contacted me and offered their help and made it their mission for their 2012 JCC Maccabi Games to honor the Munich 11 through multiple events as well as spearheading this petition.
Silence is a fitting tribute for athletes who lost their lives on the Olympic stage. Silence contains no statements, assumptions or beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret.
I have no political or religious agenda. Just the hope that my husband and the other men who went to the Olympics in peace, friendship and sportsmanship are given what they deserve. One minute of silence will clearly say to the world that what happened in 1972 can never happen again. Please do not let history repeat itself. 
For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,"  is more powerful than politics.
40 years is long enough to wait.
Go to www.munich11.org to learn more about how the JCC Rockland, in New York took up our fight to remedy injustice with the support & gratitude of the families of the Munich 11 and to learn the history of a day we should never forget.
Thank you,  Ankie Spitzer and JCC Rockland.

"only" 103,300 signatures so far!


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 18:10

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goldfish I long ago gave up on any hope of discernment from you.I would hate for you to disappoint me.How many ears did God give you and how many mouths ?

My point is that this was an outrage that might have happened anywhere. It happened at the Olympics because that was where the immediate publicity was. The idea that this was therefore an outrage against some " Olympic spirit and ideal " and the Olympics therefore have some special responsibility is laughable.It was an outrage against humanity.

Find a more human place to commemorate it. Well that is what I plan to do anyway.


happygoldfish

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 09:00

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Real Real Zionist: My point is that this was an outrage that might have happened anywhere. It happened at the Olympics because that was where the immediate publicity was.

to you, this was just a publicity stunt

it achieved the desired publicity for the palestinians at the time, and now its effect on the 11 israeli individuals and their families should be hushed up

Real Real Zionist: The idea that this was therefore an outrage against some " Olympic spirit and ideal " and the Olympics therefore have some special responsibility is laughable.It was an outrage against humanity.

rrz, you may regard the olympic spirit as laughable, but the olympic movement itself does not

since it does not … since it regards the olympic athletes as a family … it should do what any family does: come together to respect the deaths of its brothers and sisters

you, and jacques rogge, seem to think it should do the opposite of coming together … everyone should find their own way of commemorating it, privately and separately

Real Real Zionist: The families of the victims of the Munich outrage would be best advised to seek comfort and remembrance just about anywhere but the Olympics.

you find it laughable that they "seek comfort and remembrance" among the olympic family that their murdered relatives were so proud to be members of?

you somehow use the argument that it was "an outrage against humanity" … and not merely against the olympic family … as an excuse, not for claiming that collective remembrance at the olympics should be replaced by collective remembrance by humanity as a whole

but for claiming that it should be replaced by individual remembrance in obscure or unknown places

you are outraged into an act of private grief?

Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 09:53

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"you find it laughable that they "seek comfort and remembrance" among the olympic family that their murdered relatives were so proud to be members of?"

I said that ?

How slippery are you..

What I find laughable is the general notion that there is such a thing as an Olympic family. Never having experienced bereavement I am the last person to purport to tell anyone how they should deal and cope with it. If the relatives feel that there is some comfort within an Olympic family then that is fine. I PERSONALLY think they are not going to find anything there because such a thing does not exist.

The PROOF is that there ISN'T going to be a commemeration at the opening ceremony. If there were an "Olympic family" there WOULD be.


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 10:02

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A special thank you to Martin Sugarman and councillor Linda Kelly for all the hard work and planning which went into Sundays commemoration ceremony in Hackney .
The building itself , modern in design and home to budding contemporary artists inadvertently demonstrated a remarkable juxta position of old and new . This symbolism was reinforced by the wonderful combination of the Simon Marks primary school choir alongside AJAX veterans and of course Olympic weightlifter and Holocaust survivor Ben Helfgott who spoke with such passion and emotion .
Eric Pickles speech had the most impact and it was great to see Boris take time out to be with us and deliver a speech in his own inimitable style .
Wonderful to see so many Christian Friends of Israel especially Simon and Eliza with her daughter and to the CST and others who kept a look out for the usual suspects .
A wonderfully intimate , moving ceremony which while on a small scale was infinitely more sincere than any Olympic Village one minute plus speeches by Coe and others .
Once again well done the organisers . I look forward to seeing the plaque in situ in due course .
For more google Richard Milletts excellent blog .


happygoldfish

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 11:37

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go to http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-o... to sign the minute-of-silence petition

(afterwards, click the facebook logo to invite your facebook friends to sign)

Tell the International Olympic Committee: 40 Years is Enough!
At the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, eleven members of the Israeli team were murdered. For forty years their families have asked the International Olympic Committee to observe a minute of silence, in their memory. Please help us by signing our petition.
I am the wife of Andrei Spitzer. My husband was killed at those Olympic Games in 1972.
I am asking for one minute of silence for the memory of the eleven Israeli athletes, coaches and referees murdered at the 1972 summer Olympics in Munich. Just one minute — at the 2012 London Summer Olympics and at every Olympic Game, to promote peace.
These men were sons; fathers; uncles; brothers; friends; teammates; athletes. They came to Munich in 1972 to play as athletes in the Olympics; they came in peace and went home in coffins, killed in the Olympic Village and during hostage negotiations.
The families of the Munich 11 have worked for four decades to obtain recognition of the Munich massacre from the International Olympic Committee. We have requested a minute of silence during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics starting with the ’76 Montreal Games. Repeatedly, these requests have been turned down. The 11 murdered athletes were members of the Olympic family; we feel they should be remembered within the framework of the Olympic Games.
We are asking again to be heard in time for the 2012 London Summer Olympics. In 2010 JCC Rockland, New York contacted me and offered their help and made it their mission for their 2012 JCC Maccabi Games to honor the Munich 11 through multiple events as well as spearheading this petition.
Silence is a fitting tribute for athletes who lost their lives on the Olympic stage. Silence contains no statements, assumptions or beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret.
I have no political or religious agenda. Just the hope that my husband and the other men who went to the Olympics in peace, friendship and sportsmanship are given what they deserve. One minute of silence will clearly say to the world that what happened in 1972 can never happen again. Please do not let history repeat itself. 
For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,"  is more powerful than politics.
40 years is long enough to wait.
Go to www.munich11.org to learn more about how the JCC Rockland, in New York took up our fight to remedy injustice with the support & gratitude of the families of the Munich 11 and to learn the history of a day we should never forget.
Thank you,  Ankie Spitzer and JCC Rockland.

"only" 104,000 signatures so far!


Advis3r

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 12:11

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The PROOF is that there ISN'T going to be a commemeration at the opening ceremony. If there were an "Olympic family" there WOULD be.

Sad but true - but ask yourself if they would have been anything other than Israelis would there have been this level of reticence? After all in the last Winter Games held in Canada sixty thousand Canadians, more than two thousand of the world’s greatest winter sport athletes and the leader of the Olympic movement, Jacques Rogge, all united in their grief, observed beautifully a minute’s silence together in memory of Nodar Kumaritashvili, the young Georgian luger who had died after a terrible training crash at Whistler just a few hours earlier.

So there probably is an Olympic family united in grief but that "family" does not include Israelis. Just further hypocrisy cowardice and double standards by the IOC.


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 12:40

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Some differences. The tragedy at those winter games was at those games. Minor point thought. The real difference is there was no political aspect.

If it happened the entire Arab/muslim world is likely walk out during the minute and go home. This would piss off all the TV companies and sponsors etc etc. This would be what the games would be remembered for. It would threaten the next games. Is this going to happen again?

This is not a conspiracy against Jews, it is a conspiracy in favour of what the games are.

I am sure that many of the people lobbying for the minute are sincere. A great many more are not. The only outcome is going to be that the families are going to go home even more hurt and bitter. Everyone knows this.In a sense many of the " lobbyists " are using the families.

I would ask those agitating for the minute...

What exactly is YOUR agenda ?


Goldie G. Tobin

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 12:47

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Well, dammit, I was so looking forward to the entire Jewish population of the world being silent for a whole minute, so that I could get a word in edgewise.


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 14:05

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Hi Goldie
Are you related to Frederick Tobin per chance ?


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 15:11

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Here s an interesting link to ponder

http://wordfromjerusalem.com/?p=4198


Advis3r

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 15:12

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My agenda? I haven't got one.
Unlike the 104,000 petitioners I am not sure this one minute's silence is a good idea - just another "victim-hood" stick to beat us with.
From Joshua we know what the Arab/Muslim States will demand and we will get the usual amoral posturing from the chattering classes about legitimate resistance and justification for terror which will make the whole exercise a hollow gesture.
So I think we Jews should just bow our heads and on the eve of the blackest day in our history (9th of Av this year falls on this Shabbat) remember 11 of our dear brothers who were killed simply for the crime of being Jewish and who thereby join the other myriad martyrs of our people who were slaughtered for the same reason.


Advis3r

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 15:23

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Harvey you link to the link which invites you to link to another link and you arrive back here again!


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 15:23

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And Harvey, you and I both know who the instigators of all this garbage are, don't we? It's about time the people knew too.


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 16:30

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Ok this was the original article

http://wordfromjerusalem.com/?p


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 16:36

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Actual article by Isi Leibler

http://wordfromjerusalem.com/?p=4179


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 16:39

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Sorry I don't know who the instigators are
It reads as two articles by the journalist Isi Leibler .
What's your problem ?


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 16:57

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"I don't know who the instigators are..."

Yes you do, Harvey, and you will know where to find the evidence.

I have quite a few problems, is there a particular one you have in mind?


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:19

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I don't know what your problems are RRZ
It seems to me that Millis is the one with problems .


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:45

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You are nervous, Harvey. I can always tell. The big give away is that you talk to me.


Harvey

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:45

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In fact RRZ
Maybe he thinks ' he's done for '


happygoldfish

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:52

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go to http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-o... to sign the minute-of-silence petition

(afterwards, click the facebook logo to invite your facebook friends to sign)

Tell the International Olympic Committee: 40 Years is Enough!
At the 1972 Munich Olympic Games, eleven members of the Israeli team were murdered. For forty years their families have asked the International Olympic Committee to observe a minute of silence, in their memory. Please help us by signing our petition.
I am the wife of Andrei Spitzer. My husband was killed at those Olympic Games in 1972.
I am asking for one minute of silence for the memory of the eleven Israeli athletes, coaches and referees murdered at the 1972 summer Olympics in Munich. Just one minute — at the 2012 London Summer Olympics and at every Olympic Game, to promote peace.
These men were sons; fathers; uncles; brothers; friends; teammates; athletes. They came to Munich in 1972 to play as athletes in the Olympics; they came in peace and went home in coffins, killed in the Olympic Village and during hostage negotiations.
The families of the Munich 11 have worked for four decades to obtain recognition of the Munich massacre from the International Olympic Committee. We have requested a minute of silence during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics starting with the ’76 Montreal Games. Repeatedly, these requests have been turned down. The 11 murdered athletes were members of the Olympic family; we feel they should be remembered within the framework of the Olympic Games.
We are asking again to be heard in time for the 2012 London Summer Olympics. In 2010 JCC Rockland, New York contacted me and offered their help and made it their mission for their 2012 JCC Maccabi Games to honor the Munich 11 through multiple events as well as spearheading this petition.
Silence is a fitting tribute for athletes who lost their lives on the Olympic stage. Silence contains no statements, assumptions or beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret.
I have no political or religious agenda. Just the hope that my husband and the other men who went to the Olympics in peace, friendship and sportsmanship are given what they deserve. One minute of silence will clearly say to the world that what happened in 1972 can never happen again. Please do not let history repeat itself. 
For my husband Andrei and the others killed, we must remember the doctrine of the Olympic Spirit, “to build a peaceful and better world which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play,"  is more powerful than politics.
40 years is long enough to wait.
Go to www.munich11.org to learn more about how the JCC Rockland, in New York took up our fight to remedy injustice with the support & gratitude of the families of the Munich 11 and to learn the history of a day we should never forget.
Thank you,  Ankie Spitzer and JCC Rockland.

"only" 104,500 signatures so far!


happygoldfish

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 09:14

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"only" 106,000 signatures so far!

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