Briefing paper: Church of Scotland Report


By SCoJeC
June 21, 2013
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Briefing paper: Jewish Concerns about the Church and Society Report "The Inheritance of Abraham? A report on the 'promised land'".
http://www.scojec.org/news/2013/13v_cos/cos_briefing.pdf

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Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 09:52

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Just read something really funny.
After the Methodists boycott motion in 2010 the hapless idiot David Gifford asked all CCJ branches to engage with the local Methodists to give them the " other side "

I bet the York branch had fun engaging with Stephen Leah.


Harvey

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 11:18

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Side splitting


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 14:00

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fanks Harv


Ben F

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 14:47

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What a vomit inducing read. Do these people think that the Church of Scotland has got nothing better to do than prat around with them all day long?


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 16:35

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You should have waited to post that after hours then I wouldn't have the opportunity to yawn

Yyyyyyyaaaaaawwwwnnnn


Mary in Brighton

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 16:46

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"....the church of scotland has even continually refused dialogue on the distinct issue of "better relations between communities in Scotland"...."

Maybe the church thinks relations between the communities in Scotland are just fine, and were anxious to get on with the business of following Jesus.


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 16:55

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happygoldfish

Thu, 07/25/2013 - 07:01

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Rich Armbach: It did NOT reject a call for continuing dialogue. There had been lengthy meetings between the Council and Jewish organisations and in consequence significant amendments were made.

the original report was written without any dialogue with jewish organisations, despite the obvious justice and benefit in doing so

the revised report was written not after "lengthy meetings" with jewish organisations but one meeting by the moderator, the principal clerk, the convener, the vice-convener, and the secretary with the director of SCoJeC, two representatives of the B0D, the president of glasgow jrc, the rabbi of edinburgh hc, and the head of mrj

that was not "lengthy", that single meeting took place "over a kosher lunch" (see here)

it had very little effect: a few basic principles were added (see here), but the objectionable parts remained

Rich Armbach: The Assembly declined to put its business on hold for A YEAR. Most regular people , ie non Hasbarafiosi would think this a perfectly reasonable attitude. Nowhere did they decline continuing dialogue.

there was no possibility of delaying for less than a year … the church of scotland can decide these things only once a year

it is the church of scotland's own fault for wasting a year, not the jewish communities' fault

the church of scotland has even continually refused dialogue on the distinct issue of "better relations between communities in Scotland"

Mary in Brighton: Maybe the church thinks relations between the communities in Scotland are just fine …

SCoJeC has, on a number of occasions, drawn the attention of the Church to the findings of our recent Government-funded Being Jewish in Scotland project, during which 4 out of 5 respondents reported, without prompting, that the undisputed increase of anti-zionist activity in Scotland adversely affects their lives as Jews in Scotland, and makes them feel uncomfortable, alienated, and unsafe.
We are therefore saddened that the Church has not seen fit to meet us to discuss how they could contribute to better relations between communities in Scotland, but instead has issued a document that contributes to that climate.

SCoJeC has repeatedly asked for dialogue, and the church of scotland "has not seen fit" to meet them, apart from one perfunctory lunchtime meeting agreed to after great pressure
the message is clear … the church of scotland neither values nor wants dialogue

However, because we value our relationship with the Church, we remain fully committed to continuing dialogue, and look forward to an improved understanding that will enable us to work together on issues that are of concern to both of our communities. We therefore hope that, rather than adopting the report, the General Assembly will refer it back in order to permit a serious and sustained dialogue that will bring our communities together rather than driving us apart.

SCoJeC asked the church of scotland for a long enough delay for a rewrite of a thoroughly damaged report, not for a superficial "patch" repair

the meeting discussed this (on a specific amendment), and overwhelmingly voted against it

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