Dismay at Settlements.


By rushkin
December 21, 2011
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In a letter issued Tuesday, the four European member states of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), Britain, France, Germany and Portugal, condemned the recent Israeli announcement that the Israeli government had approved the construction of 1,000 new settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In addition, South Africa, India and Brazil condemned the expansion.

The four European countries reiterated the fact that Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian territories are considered illegal under international law, and said the Israeli decision to expand the settlements was a "wholly negative development," and will hinder a return to the negotiating table.

In their letter, the representatives wrote, "The viability of the Palestinian state that we want to see and the two-state solution that is essential for Israel's long-term security are threatened by the systematic and deliberate expansion of settlements," adding, "We condemn the disturbing escalation of violence by settlers, including the burning of mosques in the West Bank and Jerusalem....It is clear that these deliberately provocative attacks on places of worship were designed to aggravate tensions."

British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant read the statement in a press conference in which he called on Israel to halt settlement expansion and prosecute any settlers found to have engaged in criminal activity.

The South African Ambassador, Baso Sangqu, read a statement signed by the 120-nation bloc of non-aligned countries in the UN General Assembly saying that Israeli settlements are "the main impediment to the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

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Advis3r

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 14:09

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Blah blah and day is night and night is day - funny there were no settlements before 1967 and there was no peace what was the excuse then?

There was then and there is now and in the future there will be no peace because the Arabs maintain their longstanding rejection of the Jewish people's right to self determination whereas Israel is expected to accept "the inalienable rights of the Palestinians" whatever that is supposed to mean.

I would refer to my post below the post above represents number 1 - numbers 2 and 3 will follow shortly ending with one of the trolls trotting out the usual canard that Israel is a racist/apartheid/facist (take yor pick) state.

Question to rushkin the Palestinians have admitted that the "settlements" are constructed on land comprising less than 1% of the area you call the "West Bank" maybe you would explain to us how that is an impediment to peace?

I love the bit about the British Ambassador caling on Israel to prosecute the hooligans (Britain doesn't call its hooligans terrorists - why should we?) - as if we need to be told about prosecuting criminals if some members of the Knesset had their way they would be shot!


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 14:12

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It's not me who wrote the above. I am quoting the opinion of the community of nations - the standard opinion accepted by the international community.

To repeat: "The viability of the Palestinian state that we want to see and the two-state solution that is essential for Israel's long-term security are threatened by the systematic and deliberate expansion of settlements," adding, "We condemn the disturbing escalation of violence by settlers, including the burning of mosques in the West Bank and Jerusalem....It is clear that these deliberately provocative attacks on places of worship were designed to aggravate tensions."

Read out to the press by British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 14:15

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More from the statement from the EU members of the UN Security Council:

"We have just heard a briefing from Mr Fernandez-Taranco about the situation in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian territories. One of the themes that emerged was the severely damaging effect that increased settlement construction and settler violence is having on the ground and on the prospects of a return to negotiations. The UK, France, Germany and Portugal are dismayed by these wholly negative developments.

Israel’s continuing announcements to accelerate the construction of settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, including East Jerusalem, send a devastating message. We call on the Israeli government to reverse these steps. The viability of the Palestinian state that we want to see and the two-state solution that is essential for Israel’s long-term security are threatened by the systematic and deliberate expansion of settlements. Settlements are illegal under international law and represent a serious blow to the Quartet’s efforts to restart peace negotiations. All settlement activity, including in East Jerusalem, must cease immediately.


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:08

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This is also interesting -

MONTEVIDEO, Uruguay (AP) — The Mercosur trade group of four South American nations has signed a free trade agreement with the Palestinian Authority.

It's the first trade deal between the Palestinian territories and a bloc of nations outside the Arab world.

But the deal is mostly symbolic because Israel strictly controls imports and exports involving the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Palestinian officials praise the deal as a step toward peace, but complain that Israel is holding back their economy.

Israeli officials call it counterproductive to Mideast peace, but say they'll respect the decision of Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay.


Advis3r

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:23

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Yes we have heard all this before Israel stopped settlement activity for ten months to allow for negotiations - I do not recall all these hypocrites issuing any kind of condmenation or what have you when the Arabs refused to sit down and negotiate.
And if yo are posting it are not remotely intersted i what it is you are posting have you asked your self why the Palestinains never called for a settlement ban to be included in the oslo Accords might it be that as Erekat stated [http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/erekat-olmert-offered-palestinians-territorial-equivalent-of-west-bank-1.393484] that despite (his claim of) Israel’s continual policy of “occupation and settlement building,” an aerial photograph provided by European sources shows that settlements have been built on approximately 1.1% of "the West Bank" - they are actually no obstacle at all!


Advis3r

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:24

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Yes the Mercosur trade group has also called for a boycott of the Falkland Islands too!


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:25

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" .... illegal under international law"

No they are not

The US for one does not think so


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:33

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Yes, the US does and has said so on various occasions. The US doesn't act, unfortunately that much is true.

But the US will act or it will be overtaken by events. Justice has its own momentum and justice for Palestine has a forward momentum. It is a cause embraced by millions around the world.


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:34

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'The US for one does not think so'

And who are the others?


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 15:57

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And for two ?


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 16:16

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Wrong again. In February 2011 the US vetoed a Security Council resolution that would have declared the settlements illegal.

http://jcpa.org/brief/brief2-16.htm

The official US position has been that settlements are legal. Only the Carter administration for a short time held that settlements were illegal; this position was overturned by the Reagan administration.


rushkin

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 16:29

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Yes, but who are the other ones?


Harvey

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 16:45

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Don't bother with rushkin . He's a troll who also posts hate comments as Moeran over at CIF
He changes his identity here in the hope that he can tone down the vitriol and go unnoticed .


Rich Armbach

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:13

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Sorry Hoffman

Every country in the world regards the settlements as illegal. It being Israel the US chokes on the word " illegal " and says " illegitimate " .

Can you explain to us

a) How a legal settlement would be illegitimate

b) Why the US wont locate its embassy in Jerusalem ?


Advis3r

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:44

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Every country in the world has not said they are illegal if they have then please produce your evidence for that claim.
Secondly a Jewish Community built on State Land is legal because the law applying in Judea and samaria is Ottoman Law - the last sovereignty which had a recognised presence and Ottoman law does not recognise any ownership where the land has been unworked for ten years.
Then you have communities which were actually owned by Jews who were forcibly removed in 1948 by the Jordanians. They are certainly legal - the Jews reclaiming was taken from them.
There certainly was never a Palestinian entity which can claim the land was part of its sovereign territory but there is a Jewish entity which can claim it was part of its sovereign territory. You see the legality is one thing and the politics something else.


Rich Armbach

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:47

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Advsr you are a fool.But that is not your real tragedy. Your real tragedy is that you are an amateur fool


Advis3r

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:52

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Armbach usual ad hominem (point 3 of my post) when you have no answer. Please provide evidence that every country has said the "settlements are illegal" or shut up!
Attacking me does not make your lies any the more truthful but we have known that for some time.


Rich Armbach

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:55

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I can't be bothered.I am going to get Hoff man to do it.


Advis3r

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:11

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Of course you can't be bothered and no wonder.


happygoldfish

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:16

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rushkin: In a letter issued Tuesday, the four European member states of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), Britain, France, Germany and Portugal, condemned the recent Israeli announcement that the Israeli government had approved the construction of 1,000 new settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In addition, South Africa, India and Brazil condemned the expansion.

not true, rushkin

they didn't condemn it

they only expressed dismay … see http://ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=PressS&id=708021082

"The UK, France, Germany and Portugal are dismayed by these wholly negative developments."

they did condemn recent deliberate provocative settler violence

"We condemn the disturbing escalation of violence by settlers including the burning of the Nebi Akasha mosque in West Jerusalem and the Burqa mosque in the West Bank. It is clear that these deliberately provocative attacks on places of worship were designed to aggravate tensions. "

and they welcomed both the israeli government's condemnation of that violence and in particular netanyahu's response to it

"We welcome the condemnation of these attacks by Israeli leaders, and call on the Israeli government to fulfil its commitment to bring the perpetrators to justice and to put an end to impunity. The package of measures announced by Prime Minister Netanyahu in response to settler violence goes in the right direction. We look forward to seeing the results of these measures, and to seeing those behind the violence punished to the full extent of the law. "

rushkin, your blog title "Settlements condemned" (by the eu security council) is simply untrue

btw, the eu council (same statement) called for "Third, a just, fair and agreed solution to the refugee question." …

not the palestinian refugee question, but (presumably) the both jewish and palestinian refugee question


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:33

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That is a very becoming wriggle you have there goldfish.

But if you are right I am sure agreement can be reached on the return of Palestinian refugees to lsrael and the return of Jewish refugees to wherever they are refugees from.


Advis3r

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:30

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RRZ just being the good old disingenuous person that he is. When confronted by the truth having nothing of any substance to add he attacks the poster - (yawn) he is just so predictable.
The EU however is making itself more and more irrelevant as time goes on - It seems its ire is directed solely at jews planning to build houses which judging by their haste to chasten us seems to be more heinous than Arab governments killing ever increasing numbers of their own citizens and so it goes on.
It's our own fault really for ever thinking that we could ever be a free people in our own land when every Tom Dick or Rushkin/Armbach/Walinets/Carslake/RRZ (take your pick)believe they have the right to dictate to us how we should act.


Advis3r

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:36

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Don't expect hear anything anytime soon from the EU about Arab terrorism targeting Jews in Ramle which is on the rise.
Shortly after the car of a local religious school principal was torched on Thursday there was also a fire a nearby synagogue in the heart of the al-Grebe neighborhood in Ramle.
The synagogue is located in a private house in the alley next to Jabotinsky Street, one of the main streets the city. It is headed by Rabbi Rafael Sheli, who is responsible for much of the Jewish outreach in Ramle.
"The synagogue in al-Grebe was torched just dozens of meters away from where the vehicle was torched," Eli C., a member of Sheli's congregation, told the Hebrew-language Hakol HaYehudi.
"The synagogue sits in the center of an Arab enclave and many Arabs have harrassed him for a long time," he said. "Tonight, at about two, they torched the building. The second floor was badly damaged, the synagogue's holy books and religious were burned."


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 17:10

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Could you provide us with a link to Ramle story Jose.


happygoldfish

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 10:59

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Advis3r: RRZ just being the good old disingenuous person that he is. When confronted by the truth having nothing of any substance to add he attacks the poster - (yawn) he is just so predictable.

nooo, he commented on what i said (or maybe the way i said it) …

Real Real Zionist: That is a very becoming wriggle you have there goldfish.

… there's no personal criticism (or "attack") there …

and can't you see that you're doing exactly what you're (wrongly) criticising rrz for?

Real Real Zionist: But if you are right I am sure agreement can be reached on the return of Palestinian refugees to lsrael and the return of Jewish refugees to wherever they are refugees from.

so, rrz, in your opinion (since you suggested it), would that be "just" and "fair"?

(as demanded by the eu security council!)


Advis3r

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:23

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Happy Goildfish you obviously have not followed RRZ's "progress" on this website. He has called jewish settlers scum and thieves engaging him only empowers him.


rushkin

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 11:29

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Happy Goldfish: Regarding your reply above (22nd Dec 12:16)

Point taken.


happygoldfish

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:37

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you're welcome, rushkin!

(sooo … are you going to edit the blog title to make it correct? )


rushkin

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 14:46

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Done.


happygoldfish

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:02

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well done!


rushkin

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:13

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No need to patronise. it's unbecoming.

And as for emoticons . . . . How old are you?


happygoldfish

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:22

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rushkin: And as for emoticons . . . . How old are you?


suzanna

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 15:28

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Lol.

Oh well . . . children will be children!

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