Palestinians smell the roses

No - the smartest thing to do would be to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, stop the antisemitism and incitement to racial and religious hatred, and make peace.

This on-line petition seems to be doing remarkably well.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_uk/?vl

It would do in the UK wouldn't it?

It's not just the UK. Look at where the signatories are coming from - all over the world.

Yes we've been here before haven't we?

By the way they are dissolving themselves so they can renege on all the agreements they made with Israel - trouble is that works both ways.

I don't think Israel stuck to any agreements, ever.

During the first Intifada (1987-93) Israel killed 1,000 Palestinians, 1 in 5 of them children. A third of this death toll was reached in nine months. People around the world watched images of occupying soldiers breaking the bones of Palestinians (available on YouTube), responding to civil disobedience with beatings and bullets.
The second Intifada (2000) saw Israel deploy its military with far greater force. In the first few days of the Intifada (uprising) and before any 'terror' attacks by Palestinians even begun, the Israeli occupation army fired 1.3 million bullets, a statistic that casts much doubt on the IDF claim that violence is 'a regrettable but necessary' response.
From Sept 2000 - May 2008 over 5,000 Palestinians were killed by Israelis. That is over one Palestinian a week for 8 years.

Yes it does cut both ways. Any agreements have been of no value to the Palestinian people whatsover, save for a few individuals that fancy themselves as a quasi political elite. Past agreements assumed the emergence of a viable state. This hasn't happened and if it doesn't happen very soon the whole business will be declared as not worth the candle.

Dissolution of the PA is the only rational move in these circumstances. Let Israel take control of it all. The struggle will then be against what will be an apartheid state, a struggle the world will quickly get behind.

The dissolution of the PA would also mean that Israel (and the US taxpayer) would have to pay for the occupation.

Ruskin: Interesting did you count every bullet? I note you quote statistics for dead Palestinians but fail to report the number of Israelis murdered by terrorists as if Israel killed Palestinians for the sake of it - is that what you are claiming when it is known and even acknowledged by the terrorists themselves that a great many of those killed were in fact terrorist combatants - can we have some context how many of the 5000 were terrorists you must surely know that if you know how many bullets the IDF allegedly fired?

Between Sept 2000 - May 2004, 545 Palestinian children were killed by Israeli forces or settlers: almost half of whom were UNDER 14. Nearly 1,500 sustained life long disabilities.

According to Physicians for Human Rights USA 'the pattern of injuries seen in many victims did not reflect IDF use of firearms in life-threatening situations but rather indicated targeting solely for the purpose of wounding of killing'

Otherwise known as terrorism.

rushkin, your evidence that children are deliberately murdered by the IDF? That is your accusation against the Jewish army.

If you wish to reduce this conflict merely to casualty lists which exist without context, then fine. The UK killed 25 German civilians for every British civilian killed in WW2. Following your logic, the Nazis had a legitimate grievanve against Britain.

The IDF does not target children (a current variation on the old blood libel against the Jews). Meanwhile, you show no concern about the deliberate targeting of Jewish children by Palestinians, who then rejoice in the streets when they do kill innocents. Nor any concern about the Palestinian use of human shields, and the deliberate placing of women and children in the line of fire, which ensures maximum civilian casualties and good propaganda for gullible Westerners like you.

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Well I have to agree with Amber on an important point.It doesn't make much sense to reduce any conflict to casualty lists. In any conflict the weaker will suffer more casualties then the stronger.

The second intifada was a mega mistake. The lesson I think has been learned. The next intifada will be peaceful, Egyptian style.

Ben F

Yes, you could call the mass murder of Israelis, on the basis of their ethnicity, as a "mistake".

JC, the only time you moderate comments is when they entail a criticism of you. Meanwhile, you allow every lie, libel and incitement against Israel to remain.

I hope you're happy.

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