Many sayings of Moshe Dayan


By Rich Armbach
April 27, 2011
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A new State of Israel with broad frontiers, strong and solid, with the authority of the Israel Government extending from the Jordan to the Suez Canal."

"During the last 100 years our people have been in a process of building up the country and the nation, of expansion, of getting additional Jews and additional settlements in order to expand the borders here......"

So ?

These statements in no way contradict his state of mind in 1948. He was a leading negotiator in the armistice agreement process,a signatory to the agreement with Jordan, and is perfectly clear..." The armistice lines were demarcated according to the Rhodes maps and were recognised as the borders of the State of Israel."

Story of my Life, page 117.

The armistice lines became de facto borders and were accepted by the whole world ( including Israel ) as the borders of the new state.

That he subsequently, following the conquest of the west bank, Gaza and Sinai,territories he, along with everyone else, regarded as occupied,came to a vision of a greater Israel encompassing all territory between the river, the sea and the canal, is irrelevant. This merely tells us that since 1948 Israel had evolved into a nation of territorial bandits, and that the settlement of the lands and the IDF administration of the lands has had little to do with security but is much more in the nature of a colonialist enterprise. I would remind you that the quotes in your blog were selected by you, not by me.

Interestingly your first quote starts, " A NEW State of Israel..."

In other words " that was the State of Israel but now we are starting over.." Hmmmm

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Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:21

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John F. Kennedy Quotes:

Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom.

A nation of bandits we are not - a so sad pathetic individual - you are.


JonOtway

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 09:34

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JFK was as entitled to his opinions as the rest of us. Though it is worth mentioning that veracity was not his strong point.

Nice piece of poetry but literally meaningless


JonOtway

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 09:41

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It may also be worth mentioning that while we are not told when he said that it cannot have been later than the very early 60's,well before post 1967 and all that. Didn't everyone feel that way at that time? Would he have felt the same way today ?


Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:16

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Didn't everyone feel that way at that time? I am not quite sure the Arabs did after all they failed time and again to destroy Israel.
Would Kennedy have felt the same way today? Probably, the words he said are as relevant now as when he spoke them. Further, unlike you he had a sense of truth and justice, something you obviously lack, and would not have been taken in by the outright lies and falsehoods which you peddle - and you have the gall to question Kennedy's veracity. But that's just my opinion.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:48

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Advis3r, while JFK's sentiments were true at the time he said them, it is unfortunate that today Israel has drifted far from that ideal.
It is being broken, constantly but unwittingly, by those who believe bricks and mortar trump human life and by those who believe that it can continue to "endure and flourish" as a "child of hope" and be a "shield of democracy" despite ruling over more non-Jews than Jews.
JFK said those words when Israel wasa truly democratic and Jewish state. Would that it were now, rather than being on a slide towards apartheid and theocracy.


Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 12:09

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Israel has drifted far from that ideal? I think not I suggest you read this:-
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/04/interview-with-idf-ethicist.htm...
in its entirety to see how wrong you and all those who on this blog who seek to delegitimise and demonise it are. Sorry, but if you say such things as " than being on a slide towards apartheid ..." you are no friend of Israel.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 12:34

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Anyone who believes that Israel isn't sliding towards apartheid and theocracy is unwittingly helping Hamas create a single non-democratic state between the River and the Sea.
Not sure what the sainted Asa Kasher has to do with this. So that's a bit of a straw man you built there.


Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:05

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Asa Kasher a straw man argument What a strange convoluted world you do inhabit. A theocracy where gays have at least the same rights as they do in the UK and civil marriage is legal but I suppose you repeat a lie often enough people get to believing it. As to apartheid state an Arab shoots that down so much better than I see
gayandright.blogspot.com/2010/03/israel-is-not-apartheid-state.html


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:11

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More crap from millis, apologist for the antisemites who infest these blogs.

What a fool you are millis.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:14

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I said sliding towards apartheid and theocracy, not that it is now. Do try and keep up. What Asa Kasher said is therefore irrelevant, much like Amber and his/her many aliases.


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:15

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Armback, from who are the territories "occupied"?


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:16

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millis, you are the alias master. And you know it.


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:16

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millis, using the word "apartheid" and Israel together is deeply insulting and part of your hate driven agenda. You knwo exactly what you are doing.

What a fool.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:17

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You are very sick, Amber and hert aliases. Seek help.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:18

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When, Amber, is your main alias going to allow you to post above the line rather than relegating this alias to inane comments below the line?


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:20

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millis, the alias master.

And the one who backs the antisemites.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:22

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Amber, maybe you are not unwittingly helping Hamas. Maybe you are doing it wittingly. Perhaps you want to tarnish all supporters of Israel as being like you. I'd say that was very Machiavellian.


Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:34

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Millis who particularly wants to keep up with the likes of you? You make ludicrous accusations against Israel because the policies of the present democratically elected government do not mirror your own ideas so you take the easy and most unintellectual way out and accuse the country of sliding into theocracy and apartheid with no empirical evidence to back up your outrageous claims. Despite this you do not consider for even one moment that you could be, and in fact are, wrong as a number of studies have shown but that seems to be par for the course.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:37

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You want empirical? Holding on to the occupied territories and feeding the toxic settlement enterprise means that Jews in Israel are a minority ruling a disenfranchised majority. Do you not get that? Giving the anti-Zionist Orthodox and ultra-nationalist Orthodox parties more and more power means a slide towards theocracy. Do you not get that?
But if you and your various aliases want to help Hamas create a single state between the River and the Sea, so be it. But you don't get that.


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:47

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millis, the man who always has something nasty to say about Israel.

Shameful millis.


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:55

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Amber, write a blog if you are allowed to and let's see the love of Israel trip out from your keyboard. Come on, get your alias to let you make that leap.


Advis3r

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 13:59

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Holding on to the occupied territories and feeding the toxic settlement enterprise means that Jews in Israel are a minority ruling a disenfranchised majority - and your evidence for this is? By the way calling Jews exercising their right of self determination in their ancient homeland "toxic" marks you out as an israel hater and an enabler of Arab terrorism but hey what do you care?
How long before Tel Aviv is also called a toxic Jewish settlement? Sorry it already has been see http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2009/09/will-tel-aviv-become-illeg...
Giving the anti-Zionist Orthodox and ultra-nationalist Orthodox parties more and more power means a slide towards theocracy - and your evidence for this is? In any event if people vote for the Chareidi and the true Zionist parties in free elections that is their right in a democracy - if you are so exercised about this why don't you and all your like minded friends come and live in Israel and exercise your right to vote as Israeli citizens. Just to remind you however that the Mayor of Jerusalem was Chareidi and yet there was still a gay parade in Jerusalem but why let facts get in the way of your narrative?


Joe Millis

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 14:09

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Israel, 5.5 million Jews, 1.6 million non-Jews
Occupied territories, 5 million non-Jews(disenfranchised).
Total, 5.5million Jews, 6.6 million non-Jews.
The West Bank settlements are toxic and are drawing Israel apartheid and an ultra-nationalist theocracy. Perhaps that suits you.


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 14:15

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There we go again, Israel as apartheid.

Millis, you should be thoroughly ashamed. It is YOU increasing the hate for Israel.


amber

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 14:16

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millis, there are people who couldn't give a fig about your finer points. Israel is facing a campaign of delegitimization, including on these very blogs. That you side with such people is sickening. Then you pontificate about others.


Anonymous

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 14:20

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