The Edot (Part I): The Pasty UK Years


By Melchett Mike
June 10, 2013
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If pushed to give my primary reason for, on a good day (i.e., when I haven’t been induced into spasm by some impudent native), preferring life in Israel to that in the UK, then pipping even the food, weather and women (in ascending order of hotness) would have to be the rich tapestry of Jewish life here. In spite of our many detractors (and, indeed, problems), the short history of Israel has been one of startling achievement in almost every field, not least of which has been the absorption of so many disparate edot (ethnic groups) – each with its own distinctive culture and traditions – into such a remarkably united (even if we wish it were more so) whole.

But whenever attempting to relate my experiences of, for instance, Moroccan or Yemenite Jews, and especially of their womenfolk, to an Anglo Jew, I am met with a blank expression (one that Part II will attempt to address). The vast majority of British Jews lack any frame of reference in this regard, hailing from or having their origins in Poland, Galicia (today straddling Poland and Ukraine), Russia, the Baltics, Germany, and, to a lesser extent, Hungary. And, growing up in North-West London, the very marginal differences between such Jews could only be discerned from their particular shuls or shtiebls (large and small synagogues) if they had them (most now don’t), from their Shabbos meals, though mainly from their own peculiar – in both senses – sense of identity.

So, in the Isaacson household, for example, my father, of Lithuanian extraction, always appeared to delight in highlighting (in good humour, mind) the intellectual and cultural inferiority of the Galicianer Reiss family into which he had married. The Litvak, he was certain, constituted the very “cream” of European Jewry. Indeed, my father’s claim has always seemed to me to be somewhat justified, the Litvak misnagdim appearing, on the one hand, more enlightened (almost by definition) than the hassidic Galicianers, whilst, on the other, somehow more human than the anally-challenged German Yekkes. (In contrast to most Jewish immigrants to the UK, who arrived immediately before and after the turn of the last century, the majority of Hungarian Jews did not escape the Holocaust and were perhaps, therefore, considered beyond, even light-hearted, stereotype.)

The sickening history of anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe, however, made the “Old Country” a delicate subject for all immigrants. Even though they escaped Lithuania and Galicia around two and three decades, respectively, before the rise of Hitler, my parents never heard their parents or grandparents talk about the pogroms and persecutions that they had suffered in their backward, Jew-hating hellholes. Anyway, there is far more that unites Ashkenazi (European) Jews than separates them. And the differences between them would be no more recognisable to the outsider – or even to most other Jews – than those between, for instance, British Muslims of Bangladeshi extraction and those from Pakistan.

A relatively small community of Sephardic Jews – of primarily Middle Eastern and North African descent – added some much-needed colour to the rather pallid complexion of Anglo-Jewish life. My exposure was to the, largely Indian, Sephardic community of Hendon, to the Adenites of Stamford Hill (many of whom attended Hasmonean Grammar School for Boys), and to a smattering of Moroccans, Egyptians, Iraqis and Persians (most of whom had escaped the 1979 Islamic Revolution, wisely with little more than their carpets).

And these Sephardim brought a lot to the table. Quite literally. Their mealtime plenty was quite an eye-opener for the Anglo Jew, in whose kitchen meticulous Shabbos potato allocation was carried out on a Thursday morning. Blessed with an Egyptian aunt, however, I was spared a childhood of exclusively (miserably bland) Ashkenazi fare (though even that was an improvement on traditional English grub). Wary not to injure his daughter’s (my mother’s) feelings, my grandfather would play months of ‘chess’ with the food she had deposited in his freezer, while my aunt’s wasn’t even given time to ice over.

The door policy, too, operated in Sephardic households was significantly more relaxed, with strays wandering in and out without any requirement for advance written invitation. This was a real culture shock for the Anglo Jew, who ‘greeted’ every unexpected knock at the door – which, even after positive identification, still wasn’t always opened – with a suspicious glance through translucent curtains or a built-in, magnifying peephole.

Perhaps in their attempt to blend in, however, the differences between these various Sephardic ethnicities and cultures were rarely visible to, or experienced by, their Ashkenazi ‘hosts’. And, beyond the puerile mimicking of the ‘funny’ accents of our new Persian classmates, I was never aware of any racism towards, or even light-hearted stereotyping of, our darker brothers. Indeed, many of them easily assimilated into Raleigh Close, Hendon’s very traditional United Synagogue. Moreover, the fact that the biggest “lout/wretch” (to quote our legendary former French master) in our school year was Morocco born and bred was neither here nor there.

In Israel, however, the richness of Jewish multi-ethnicity is celebrated, nurtured, and flourishes. And the deliciously incorrect sense of humour enjoyed here, thriving on ethnic excess and eccentricity, simply could not exist without the edot. Is there anything to the inevitable, resulting stereotypes? You betcha!! And don’t believe anyone who – serving his or, of course, her ‘god’ of political correctness – tells you otherwise.

[Next on melchett mike: The Edot (Part II): Ethnic Yentzing in Palestine. If you are offended by generalisations, and un-PC ones at that, then give it a miss. Anyway, you are probably on the wrong blog . . .]

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zaheerayin

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:46

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Jonathan Arkush‏@JonathanArkush5 Jun
80,000 dead in Syria-UN says new levels of brutality. Israel not involved so folks like @JeremyMoodey @benabyad don't protest and don't care

Watchful Iris‏@WatchfulIris10h
I'm currently reading "How to win friends and influence people" by Jonathan Arkush. Ok, I'm done. Short book.

LOL


Rich Armbach

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 09:50

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Huh huh JA shoots himself in the foot again.

http://www.embraceme.org/syria2013


Ben F

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:46

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It develops apace. There must be new info coming in every day.

http://hurryupharriet.wordpress.com/


Harvey

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:29

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Mike
Sorry to go OT but couldn't let the three bottom feeders above go unanswered seeing that there s no mods on the site .

So here's a little sample of the seamless association between antisemitism and so called antizionism . One Michael Rabb who fronts the one of the Palestine Solidarity Campaigns in the USA . You three have much in common with this racist . Suggest you stay in touch with him

https://sites.google.com/site/cudivest/project-updates/dontshungiladatzm...


Harvey

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:33

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Rich Armbach

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:19

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Harv are you not at the " prestigious " soccer tournament that hardly anyone in the world had previously heard of ?

Anyway here is one for you.

http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/

and another

http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/tanas-alqassis-on-palestine-z...


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 15:41

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Harvey where does it say Robb is PSC ? I hope you didn't just make that up.


Harvey

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 16:10

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Rich Armbach

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 17:11

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Already have. Love the half time photo of Millett and Levick. Send in the clowns,don't worry they're here.

Harv re Mary's question do you have any plans to answer the lady ?


Harvey

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 17:48

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Suggest you and ' the lady ' re read the relevant part of my comment .
Im not your reading assist . In any case it's all the same thing .
Suggest you check the logo in the link . Looks familiar # BDS rebranding # BDS fail

https://www.sites.google.com/site/cudivest/project-updates/nov17vigilbon...


Harvey

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 18:00

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Saved and forwarded as appropriate . Just another example of so called Palestinian solidarity morphing into hatred of Jews . # Send for Greenstein

https://www.sites.google.com/site/cudivest/home

If you are anti Zionist ie you reject the Jewish people s right to self determination while demanding Palestinian rights to the same and just about every other nations right , you are an antisemite . Criticise certain Israeli policies fine . Reject Zionism not fine .


happygoldfish

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 18:08

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stephen sizer is being investigated by a disciplinary tribunal under the church of england's Clergy Discipline Measure 2003

the principal complaints against him are that he has deliberately publicised racist websites from his own website, and that he has been "making statements that … most of the Jewish community find utterly offensive, to the point of crossing the line into antisemitism"

rich draws attention to an number of messages, on sizer's own website, from various bishops, denying that sizer is racist …

Rich Armbach: http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/

http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/tanas-alqassis-on-palestine-z...

but these bishops have presumably not seen stephen sizer calmly stirring up racial hatred in the following malaysian tv interview (june 2011) …

"The irony is that the far right in Britain is forming an alliance with Zionists, because their common enemy are the Muslims. And it's ironic that the very people who favoured the work of Hitler are now working with the Zionists, the English Defence League for example, against the Muslims because they share, they view them as a threat."

this is likely to stir up racial hatred since
i] it falsely accuses british zionists of being anti-muslim (ie not just anti-palestinian)
ii] it falsely accuses british zionists of an alliance with the far right


Rich Armbach

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 09:43

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Of course they have seen the interview you eejit. They will have read the complaint and there is a link to it there.

1) There is loads of British Zionists on blog sites such as HP, CIFwatch, Millets blog expressing anti Muslim sentiments day in day out. Hundreds and hundreds of them. And we only need two to make the statement true don't we?

2) Well you know where to get the overwhelming evidence substantiating that statement and that Zionists have associated themselves with the far right is acknowledged by among others the CST and the Board.

So good luck with this one o:))

And Stephen Sizer is not being investigated by a disciplinary tribunal ( wishful thinking on your part). You need to do some homework. Might I recommend the BOD website ?


suzanna

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 10:00

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suzanna

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 10:01

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Occupation and land theft alive and well in Palestine:

http://peacenow.org/entries/press_releaseapn_alarmed_by_surge_in_west_ba...


happygoldfish

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 11:32

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Rich Armbach: They will have read the complaint and there is a link to it there.

let's see …

the complaint is at http://www.bod.org.uk/content/Complaint%20regarding%20Revd%20Stephen%20S...

The misconduct about which I complain is as follows:

Rev Sizer’s antisemitic statements and regular published links on his websites to antisemitic websites, thereby re-publishing their anti-Semitism. These are set out in the attached evidence and appendix. The evidence in support of the complaint reveals Rev Sizer to be an avid reader and publiciser of websites that are openly and virulently antisemitic, and Rev Sizer has himself descended into making antisemitic statements.

On 4th October 2011 Rev Sizer posted a link on his Facebook page to an article on an antisemitic website called The Ugly Truth. . Rev Sizer only removed the link 3 months later on 4th January 2012, following complaints and after being contacted by the Jewish Chronicle. The Bishop of Manchester, the Rt Revd Nigel McCulloch, the Chairman of the Council of Christians and Jews, stated that “The content and delay in removing the link from Mr Sizer’s Facebook page was disgraceful and unbecoming for a clergyman of the Church of England to promote.”

On 1st May 2012 Rev Sizer posted a reply to the criticism of him made by the Council of Christians and Jews, in which he acknowledged that The Ugly Truth contained scurrilous and offensive material. He went on: “I have no wish to be associated with or to encourage anyone to read some of the things that I found on the site. I have on many occasions in my ministry condemned all forms of antisemitism and will continue so to do because it is abhorrent to me.”

On 1st June 2012. Rev Sizer posted a link on his blog to an article on another antisemitic website called Window into Palestine. As appears from the attached dossier of supporting evidence at page 14, the website carries a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic forgery, describing it as an “important tome”. Its home page also displays a Nazi flag with the swastika superimposed over a Star of David.

Thus, only one month after stating that antisemitism was abhorrent, Rev Sizer once again posted a link to an openly antisemitic website. This calls into question the sincerity of Rev Sizer’s condemnation of antisemitism.

The matters complained of disclose a clear and consistent pattern of activity on the part of Rev Sizer. The evidence indicates that he spends time trawling dark and extreme corners of the internet for material to add to his website. Rev Sizer re-publishes such items to support the target of his polemical writing, while at the same introducing his readers to the racist and antisemitic websites from where he draws his material. As the evidence demonstrates, there are five instances of this over the 11 month period from July 2011 to June 2012.

The impact of antisemitism on Jewish people is as profound as racism based on colour prejudice is to black and other victims. This is all the more so if the antisemitism displayed in public is left unchecked. When Jewish people encounter antisemitism they feel offence, deep hurt, shock, vulnerability and a loss of confidence in those around them and society generally. For those who have experienced antisemitism before, such as refugees from Germany and Eastern Europe and Holocaust survivors, the effect can be more traumatic still.

The conduct of Rev Sizer complained of has become more serious in its nature and more blatant since 2010, such that it now threatens the important relationship between Christians and Jews in the United Kingdom. The Board of Deputies of British Jews, in its representative role on behalf of the UK Jewish community, considers that Rev Sizer’s conduct can no longer go unchallenged. It makes this complaint with deep reluctance, in the hope that the Church of England can take the necessary corrective action to prevent Rev Sizer from continuing to publish antisemitic material.

nope … nothing about it there

ahh, it's in the 7-page supporting document, http://www.bod.org.uk/content/Evidence%20in%20support%20of%20complaint%2...

14th March 2010
Rev Sizer's photographs on flickr.com — Jews as Christ killers …
9th March 2011
Rev Sizer's comments were racist and anti-semitic. Their meaning and effect were rightly characterised by the article on the Harry's place website as:
"The Gaddafis are Jews, Israel is full of Jews, and the USA is run by Jews. They all murder innocent civilians. They are all linked by Jewish blood and evil motives."
13th June 2011
[ah there it is! … the malaysian tv interview]
5th July 2011
Rev Sizer linked to an article in the Palestine Telegraph which accused Israel of killing scientists all over the world, including by causing plane crashes.
4th October 2011
Rev Sizer posted a link on his Facebook page to an openly antisemitic website The Ugly Truth … for three months …
The link and the delay in removing it were condemned by the Bishop of Manchester, the Rt Rev Nigel NcCulloch as "disgraceful and unbecoming for a clergyman of the Church of England to promote".
24th December 2011
Rev Sizer gave an interview to Qods News Agency in which he attacked Israel. Qods News Agency is a holocaust denying website …
31st December 2011
Rev Sizer's blog linked to a piece by Uri Avnery on the Redress website.
The Redress website is replete with articles about British Jews, Zionism and Israel, many of them containing similar racist and antisemitic themes. It would have been impossible for Rev Sizer to visit the site without appreciating this from the list of articles shown in each topic.
1st March 2012
Rev Sizer posted a picture … The image was taken from, and linked back to, the Veteran Today website … Its home page quickly discloses articles displaying hatred of Jews and Israel. Rev Sizer could not have missed these when searching the site for material to post on his blog.
1st June 2012
Any visitor to Window into Palestine would see immediately that it is racist and antisemitic. Rev Sizer posted a link to this website exactly one month after telling the Council of Christians and Jews that he condemned all forms of antisemitism.

Rich Armbach: And Stephen Sizer is not being investigated by a disciplinary tribunal ( wishful thinking on your part). You need to do some homework. Might I recommend the BOD website ?

thanks for the correction: the disciplinary tribunal procedure has now been suspended pending a Conciliation attempt
from http://www.bod.org.uk/live/content.php?Item_ID=868

"If the complaint cannot be resolved by agreement, it will continue to be dealt with through the disciplinary procedure laid out in the Clergy Discipline Measure and its associated rules."

Harvey

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:18

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I hope this was included in the BOD representations

http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

Sizer interviewed on Press TV , an unrelentingly antisemitic Iranian broadcast mouthpiece complaining that the Scottish Church revisionist slant on the bible had been watered down by Zionist intervention # supercessionist supremo


Rich Armbach

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:38

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Wrong again. A tribunal hearing is AN OPTION among several that a Bishop has in such a case presumably one he would resort to in cases he regarded as sufficiently serious. It is not something that once started would be suspended for conciliation. An attempt at conciliation would come first. Neither you nor I have any evidence that a tribunal has been appointed. That would not make any sense.

If it fails the bishop has the option of finding for the complainant or throwing the case out As you know I am very thorough when it comes to such things. Right Harv ?


happygoldfish

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:39

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(harvey: wrong link!)

Rich Armbach: … that Zionists have associated themselves with the far right is acknowledged by among others the CST …

(as usual, rich provides no link to substantiate what he says)

that is a lie

the cst has acknowledged no such thing

its view of jewish connection with the far right can be seen eg in its report Antisemitic Discourse in Britain in 2011, including (p.28) …

Jewish groups, including CST and the Board of Deputies of British Jews, have repeatedly warned Jews not to fall for the EDL's anti-Muslim racism, and the EDL's so-called 'Jewish' branch has never amounted to more than a handful of members.

Harvey

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:51

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In fact Sizer has given many interviews to Press TV .

http://vimeo.com/m/65877365

Why does Sizer feel the need to engage with such a blatantly antisemitic propaganda mouthpiece for the Iranian regime ? Purely rhetorical of course .


Harvey

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 13:51

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Thanks Happy
That's the correct link above


Rich Armbach

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:12

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Why does Sizer feel the need to engage with Press TV? Maybe for the same reason Geoffrey Alderman felt the need.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/62606/irans-uk-mouthpiece-press-tv-pus...

@Happy, you tell us that it is a lie to say that the CST has acknowledged that Zionists have associated themselves with the far right. You then kindly provide us with the evidence that it isn't a lie. Thanks for that. I can use that elsewhere.


Rich Armbach

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:14

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It is true that the formal membership of the Jewish Division of Jewish Zionists was not great, although certainly a lot more than a handful.

In any event, simple membership is not the issue. We also have to take into account the Jewish Zionist consorters and eulogisers.

Don't we Harv?


happygoldfish

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:45

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Rich Armbach: … that Zionists have associated themselves with the far right is acknowledged by among others the CST …

Rich Armbach: … you tell us that it is a lie to say that the CST has acknowledged that Zionists have associated themselves with the far right. You then kindly provide us with the evidence that it isn't a lie.

what are you talking about?

there's nothing in my link that supports what you said

first you lied, now you defend your lie with another lie

(actually, first stephen sizer lied, then you supported his lie, now you defend the lie with another lie)

what is there in the link that you claim supports what you and sizer said?


Rich Armbach

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:36

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"Jewish groups, including CST and the Board of Deputies of British Jews, have repeatedly warned Jews not to fall for the EDL's anti-Muslim racism, and the EDL's so-called 'Jewish' branch has never amounted to more than a handful of members."

Well I could argue with the CST about how many members there is / was in the Jewish division. While the numbers weren't high it was a lot more than a handful. But both me and the CST agree there were some. That makes Sizers statement true.

And of course its not just members its consorters and eulogisers too. Isn't it Harv ?


joemillis1959

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:59

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I see that crappy goldfish/Jose/blacklisted Posner/ Anthony dick-tator etc is still posting and reposting despite being barred here several times.

And he appears at pro-Israel demos in green beret adorned with toy shop insignia. And he flies a Portuguese flag for some reason.

BDS is a failure. absolutely. But Garfield, seems you failed the Tebbit Test.


happygoldfish

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:39

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joemillis1959 : I too will continue to ignore him.

joe, do you actually read what you write?

ooh, wait … you're ignoring me some more!

joemillis1959 : …may I remind one and all to ignore his stuff.

it's a good job you're here to help them!

joemillis1959 : Another good tell that this Goldfish is none other the previously barred aforementioned is the fact that he will call everyone that disagrees with him a racist.

that's another lie (and a very obvious one)
joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my reply again

joemillis1959 : The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

joemillis1959: (Mon 22nd April, 15:29) aka Anthony Posner/Jose/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc … Then he's like the Goldfish. And even less talented.

joemillis1959: (Thu 25th April, 16:52) Jose/Anthony Posner/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc is the Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Fri 26h April, 17:39; Fri 26th April, 18:28; Tue 30th April, 09:41): Jose/Anthony Posner/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc - aka the Happy Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Mon 29th April, 18:06; Mon 29th April, 18:34): Why can't the JC deal with "Happy Goldfish" who also goes by the names off Lbnaz/Jose/blacklisted d/Anthony p/ etc? They were banned, why not he?

joemillis1959 (Thu 13th June, 18:59): I see that crappy goldfish/Jose/blacklisted Posner/ Anthony dick-tator etc is still posting and reposting despite being barred here several times.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (Mon 25th March, 18:29) He may claim he's not, but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence.

uhh??

did any of the others know how to produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe millis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 09:43

there are racists on this website who think there is nothing wrong with lying, so long as they are criticising israel, or criticising people who defend israel

they decide what they want to be true, and then say it anyway, in the absence of any evidence other than their own prejudice, and often contrary to the actual evidence

one reason why so few people defend israel on thejc.com … compared with other sites such as the guardian's "comment is free" … is the unchecked lying or bullying that they'll sooner or later be subjected to

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 09:43

joemillis1959: (Mon 25th March, 10:53) He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy colourful backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

some historians are motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with their own beliefs even if that involves distortion and manipulation of evidence

joe millis is the author of an illustrated history of jerusalem

if his approach to evidence as a historian is as reliable as in his accusation against me, then his book may be an excellent buy as a work of fiction, or as a children's picture book, but cannot seriously be considered as a reliable research resource


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:39

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Millis
BDS wasn't failing prior to your short lived employment with UJIA . You positively advocated it .
Then UJIA and you appear to have had an epiphany all be it short lived along with your appointment .
Hilarious to see you all ga ga swooning over Weisfeld in Trafalgar . I counted three of you holding up a banner . Were there more ?

As for you Armbach , your incontinence needs to be accompanied by your real name and a veritable address , otherwise you are no more than a cretinous troll craving attention .
Even Millis knows who he is .


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:45

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Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:47

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Armbach
Verifiable address


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:05

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Yes thanks Harv I do have one. Do you ? Or do you live and sleep in your cab ?


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:20

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So no name or verifiable address . Any two bit douche bag antisemite can post defamatory articles / blogs without fear of comeback
# gutless troll


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:24

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#knickersinatwist


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:27

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Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:10

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Oh goodie Israel is saved


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 14:02

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/24/suppressing-press-tv...

btw did Millett really con his way in front of the camera by telling them he was a journalist ? Too funny


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:45

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Big difference Millis . Hoffman Millett and Alderman are attempting to defend both Israel and Judaism in general ( misguided given the virulent antisemitism of both regime and its mouth piece ) while Sizer uses it as a springboard to sound his own vile views to a very accepting audience .
Surely even you can recognise the difference but then again with your form perhaps not .


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:43

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You are beneath contempt Millis . You are no different from the Marxist BDS scum who use similar lies and smears to defame Israel and supporters .
I ve come to expect it from the likes of antisemites such as Armbach but you are far worse . You feign support of Israel while previously supporting its boycott . You attempted an apology only when your appointment by UJIA became public knowledge .
You will never know the outpouring of anger and the subsequent campaign to get you removed from UJIA . Perhaps you are better off not knowing . # Trojan Horse


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:55

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AHAVA PROTESTERS
SHUNNED THE EDL
Dear Sir
I write concerning your recent opinion piece (Jewish News, 28 July), linking the Norwegian massacre to the EDL and, in turn, the Israel anti-boycott demo which takes place every two weeks outside the Ahava shop in Covent Garden.
You asserted: “Those who stood with the EDL or didn’t tell them to leave should bow their heads in shame.”
I am one of the small band of anti-boy- cott activists who have given their time to counter the lies and propaganda dissemi- nated by the London BDS and Palestine sol- idarity campaign. These organisations have used Ahava as a symbol of their stated objective, ie the delegitimisation and even- tual dismantlement of Israel and its replacement by a single Palestinian state.
Had you thought to send a reporter to this regular event, you would have been aware that strenuous efforts were made to dissociate ourselves from the EDL.
They were told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. Eventually they got the message and after three demos failed to return. For two of those demos they were kept physically apart from us by the provision of their own pen.
As you are well aware, the streets are public property. Unfortunately this allows the EDL and any other distasteful fringe group the right of freedom of speech and the provision to stand where they wish. As stated previously, the EDL eventually accepted our protestations and left.
Your article was an affront to the efforts of a dedicated group of individuals who have put in a great deal of time and resource in order to express their solidari- ty with Israel.
More than this, your opinion piece has been seized on by the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement who have posted it on their website and, in turn, the global BDS movement.
You failed to conduct proper investiga- tive journalism before printing this scur- rilous opinion. You provided ammunition for Israel haters. I suggest it is the Jewish News that should bow its head in shame.
Harvey Garfield By email

This was my printed response to your shameful editorial in the Jewish News July 2011


Harvey

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From: J HOFFMAN [mailto:jonathan.hoffman@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 25 October 2010 15:12
To: jonathan.hoffman@btinternet.com; Vivek.Shrotri@met.police.uk
Cc: Jim.P.Moore@met.police.uk; Martin.G.Edwards@met.police.uk
Subject: RE: Demonstrations outside Ahava: next one November 7th

Please can the small number of EDL have a separate pen. The police did this on Saturday, talk to the Sergeant there. He promised to do it in the futuire.

It is very easy. Thank you.

Preferably next to the anti's (ie with anti's between us and EDL) as anti's are salivating to get a photo of me next to the EDL.

JH

From: Vivek.Shrotri@met.police.uk [mailto:Vivek.Shrotri@met.police.uk]
Sent: 25 October 2010 14:42
To: jonathan.hoffman@btinternet.com
Cc: Jim.P.Moore@met.police.uk; Martin.G.Edwards@met.police.uk
Subject: RE: Demonstrations outside Ahava: next one November 7th

Dear Mr Hoffman

Thank you for your email. Our strategy for Policing the demonstrations remains as outlined at our last meeting at Kentish Town Police station, i.e. there will only be two pens; one for Pro Ahava and One for Anti Ahava protesters.

Regards

Vivek SHROTRI PC 581EK | Police Constable |Events Office | Camden Borough OCU |
MetPhone: 746006 | Telephone: 020 8733 6006 | Email: Vivek.shrotri@met.police.uk |
Address: 12A Holmes Road, Kentish Town, London, NW5 3AE


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:04

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Goebbels could have learnt a lesson or two in the use of lying propaganda


Harvey

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:06

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Sure Millis . If you told me the sun rose in the East and set in the West I'd get a second opinion .


Rich Armbach

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:30

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After 3 demos they failed to return? The first EDL turnout was July 31st, 2010. They were there on August 14. That's 2. In late November, Hoffie, pestered the police for appearances sake, for a separate pen. So clearly there, they were still turning up. In June, 2011, you Harve, were eulogising Roberta Moore and encouraging her and her EDL entourage to keep turning up. See here:

"I don’t know much about the EDL (this after more than a year happily demonstrating alongside of them), and if you are still here Roberta figure you could go it alone if you were a mind to. It’s time to give it back to them 10 fold, let them know we are there at their Quaker/Methodist meetings. Their A1 soiree and university hate fests etc. The next Ahava/Tesco boycott and counter boycott is likely to be June 4th. PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO BE THERE."


joemillis1959

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:33

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Hoffman's own email condemns both him and his oppo. It was written in October.


Ben F

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:43

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I wondered when I'd see some fun and games in here again.

And here is Hoffman and Garfield emphatically telling the EDL that they weren't welcome.

For the real story see here: http://wp.me/P2iSU6-2l


joemillis1959

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 18:00

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They took the ayatollahs' Rial to appear on a Holocaust denying antisemitic Iranian mouthpiece. That's all that matters, Garfield.

Form? I never stood with the neo-Nazi EDL/BNP and had to make up pathetic schoolboy excuses after being found out. I never then compounded the matter by saying that it was better to stand with these neo-Nazi scumbags than other groups.

That was you and your mate(s).

Who marched with you at Closer to Israel? No one. You have no vision. All you have is hatred and division. Oh, and a bunch of dodgy political buddies.


joemillis1959

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 18:00

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What's beneath contempt, Garfield, are self-proclaimed pro-Israel "activists" who jettison any vestige of respectability and self-respect to stand with the neo-Nazis, and then find pathetic excuses instead of manning up and admitting they were wrong. These "activists" tarred all real supporters of Israel because of their irresponsible and hate-filled behaviour.

You and the others who stood with the EDL/BNP are just like the BDS, PSC and the JFJFP. Are you plants, I wonder sometimes? Just to embarrass those who really support Israel.

That editorial was written well before I became staff at the JN. Freelancers don't write editorials. And all editorials go through the editor and have to have his or her approval. If you have any problems with the editorial, the editor of the JN is the address, not I.

I saw the emails, I have the transcripts of the phone calls, all very similar, as if dictated by one central dictator. A bit like the hate mail I got which is in the hands of the Met waiting for one of the hatemongers to leave his DNA or fingerprints somewhere.

You people are so full of vile and vicious hatred. That's what happens when you stand with scumbag neo-Nazis. Fleas, dogs, wake and sleep with come to mind.


joemillis1959

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 18:01

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That was so after you stood with the EDL/BNP. And was exactly when people started to point out that your alliance with the neo-Nazis was, to say the very least, embarrassing.

Do you honestly think anyone buys your pathetic schoolboy excuse? Man up, both of you, admit you were wrong and are ashamed of this disgusting anti-Jewish behaviour. What are you, playing the victim like the Palestinians?

In the Israeli army we used to have a saying for people like you who brought excuses like that - achlu li, shatu li. Someone ate my food and drank my water without me knowing. Pathetic.


joemillis1959

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 18:02

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Garfield, try to be consistent, mate. Elsewhere, you've stated that you and your mirror image in the BDS movement were irrelevent because the man on the Clapham omnibus doesn't actually give a toss about Israel or the Palestinians. Basically, you are just playing in the same paddling pool as the BDSers.

As for us marching at the Closer to Israel rally, well at least we know why we were there and what kind of vision we have for Israel. Do you and the organ grinder have a vision, or are you myopic on your amour propre. At least the Israeli ambassador praises Yachad/NIF as a way to engage with or support Israel. He never praises those who stood with the EDL/BNP until they started making pathetic schoolboy excuses after being found out. It's always someone else's fault, ain't it Garfield? You and your ilk play the victims card, just like the Palestinians

Few we may have been, but it's quality, not quantity, mate.

By the way, about Sizer on the despicable PressTV, here's someone else who went on the Holocaust denying station and took the Ayatollahs' Rial

And another

Bloody antisemites ;-)

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