Lauren Booth stirs up anti-Israel hatred in Malaysia


By mattpryor
February 15, 2011
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Read the interview - it's pretty shocking.

Q: He [Malaysian P.M. Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad] has been labeled an anti-Semitic in the Western press due to his vies on Israel. Do you agree?

A: If you speak to Dr. Mahathir, it is clear he has neither the personality nor the inclination to be an anti-Semite. He is a thoughtful, pious and philosophical man.
I want to tell the people of Malaysia not to be scared of being labeled anti-Semitic when criticising the unjust, disgraceful behaviour of the Israel regime.

The label ‘anti-Semite’ is applied deliberately to quash debate on the Israeli government and its army and we must not be afraid to speak out (on it).

http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/Q_AwithLaurenBooth/Article/index_html

(Found via fighthatred.com)

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jose (not verified)

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:50

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She is indeed deranged.


mattpryor

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:53

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Yes Lauren, heaven forbid that anyone should wish to suggest that the global unrelenting and obsessive hatred of the world's largest Jewish community has anything to do with anti-Semitism.

And here, for the record, is what Dr Mahathir said which caused Booth to leap to his defence:

"We are actually very strong, 1.3 billion people cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them," he said.

He called on Muslims to emulate the Jewish response to oppression, arguing the Jewish people had "survived 2,000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking."

Mahathir said, "They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy, so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others."

"With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power."

"We cannot fight them through brawn alone, we must use our brains, also."


jose (not verified)

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:57

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It seems that he read the Protocols quite a number of times!


jose (not verified)

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 15:22

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As we can see, usual antisemites will always deny their antisemitism and speak about criticism of Israel.
I think this excuse is now used up!


Macairt

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 22:37

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She is rescuing herself from bankruptcy with the only talent she has: being an anti-Israel media whore.


amber

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 23:10

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Mahathir Mohamad has declared that Jews run the world - this is outright anti-Semitism. That Lauren Booth will defend such comments says all you need to know about her own anti-Semitism.


Lukas

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:35

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Desmond Tutu
Amnesty International
Richard Falk
Save the Children
B'tslem
War on Want
UNWRA
William Hague
General Patreus
Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions
Jenny Tonge
Gush Shalom
Goldstone
UN
Breaking the Silence

on my . . . so many anti semites.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:43

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You forgot yourself in the list, Lukas!


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:53

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Piss off back to Stormfront, Lukas you pile of antisemitic excrement.


Lukas

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:55

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Jose, I have to repeat that I am not an anti semite. I don't like right wing islamophobes, that much is true.

If you look at the posts both by bloggers and by staff all you get is Muslims this, Arabs that, Muslims hate, Arab terror. . . Doesn't that bother you even a tiny bit? It is a succesion of Islamophobia and paranoia that is as bad as that emanating from those who you claim to dislike.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:58

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Only morons use the term 'Islamophobia', but trust Lukas to go one stupidity further and screech about 'right wing'.

Now Lukas, you have been told several times to piss off by people who can smell your antisemitism a mile off.


Lukas

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:59

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Yoni (aka Jonathan Hoffman) are those sentiments in keeping with the rules and regulations?

I was merely making the point that many people, including Israelis, criticise the occupation and would like to see justice for Palestinians. My opinion is not unique and nor is it anti Semitic. So why do you have to be so rude? I haven't been rude to you.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 16:03

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"Yoni (aka Jonathan Hoffman)"

Have you joined the waiting list for a brain transplant yet, pathetic moron?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 16:39

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Jose, I have to repeat that I am not an anti semite.

You can delude yourself but cannot fool me or anyone with a brain. Your antisemitism is evident through EU working definition of it, not by any arbitrary decision.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 16:52

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I'm really nervous about wading into this argument with my moronic opinion, but having read what Dr Mahathir Mohamad's comments in mattpryor's post, they seem pretty obviously anti-semitic. And stupid.

If I can ask a really incendiary question, however: can criticism of Israel ever be justified? And has there ever been justifiable criticism or Israel?


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 16:56

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*of* Israel. Sorry.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:08

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If I can ask a really incendiary question, however: can criticism of Israel ever be justified?

Sure: the trains are usually late, here. Sometimes they also burn because of technical troubles that should have been fixed years before. You see, it is rather easy to criticise Israel.
And we do it quite often in fact.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:09

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And that's not anti-semitic?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:13

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And that's not anti-semitic?

No, even if the driver of the train is Jewish.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:19

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Is James for real?


suzanna

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:21

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I agree that to criticise Israel is not anti semitic.
It has nothing to do with anti semitism.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:31

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Where does one draw the line? I think the EU definitions of anti-semitism are pretty good. But they also say that criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.

I do agree that there is a problem with people making saints out of the Palestinians, completely ignoring suicide bombings and Hamas' call for the eradication of Israel. People like Pilger, in other words.

But it seems that sometimes Israel - like any other state - does things that are just flat wrong. And I feel that, were I to bring up something that Israel had done that I thought was wrong - use of WP in built-up areas, say - that I'd get jumped on immediately:

"Oh, you don't criticize the Arabs, what about the suicide bombers etc." (rational voices)

"You're an anti-semitic piece of shit, piss off back to Stormfront you Nazi." (the more irrational voices)

I can see the point of what the rational voices say, because it must be irritating as hell to have people bash your country more or less constantly, while the Palestinians get a free ride.

Does every criticism of Israel need to be balanced with one of the Palestinians?


suzanna

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:42

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James you make a few fair points but those who support Palestinian rights, including Israeli and Jewish groups, do so in the knowledge that the Palestinians are the ones who are occupied and are the ones who live behind walls, are denied freedom of movement, are subjected to military incursions etc. There is no comparison between the situation that Israel experiences and the one the Palestinians experience.

Israel is the occupier (as recognised by International Law) and the Palestinians are the occupied.

Now sit back and wait as I get called a 'moron', 'Nazi', and 'anti Semite'.


mattpryor

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:48

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It depends on the tone and context, and whether you're rude about it or not.

I agree with you about WP, although technically it's not illegal if used for illumination and smoke screen, but the morality of it is suspect. It's worth remembering that the US has used WP on many occasions such as the battle of Fallujah, resulting in many deaths and injuries, with no international condemnation at all. Which to me seems highly unfair and an example of double standards.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:51

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So, if Palestinians live behind walls and have their land occupied, does that make their targeting and murder of civilians any less obscene than when Israel does it?


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:52

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Matt - I remember a huge fuss about WP in Fallujah. But then, I (used to) read the Guardian and (still) watch the BBC.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:08

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"I agree that to criticise Israel is not anti semitic.
It has nothing to do with anti semitism."

Criticising Israel obsessively, and/or applying far far far far stricter criteria than to other countries, most certainly is antisemitic.


Macairt

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:09

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'So, if Palestinians live behind walls and have their land occupied, does that make their targeting and murder of civilians any less obscene than when Israel does it?'

That's called a 'loaded' question i.e. to even answer it is to accept its premises.

The barrier arose because of the 2nd Intifada. It wasn't there during Camp David II, when Arafat chose war over negotiations.

The barrier protects settlements whose fates could have been decided at Camp David II, had not Arafat chosen otherwise. Because of the 2nd Intifada, until their fates are decided by further negotiations, as they could have been at Annapolis, when Olmert and Livni proposed a solution based on the Geneva Accord, with Abbas rejected, even though it had been thrashed out between Israeli and P.A. negotiators, they will be protected.

That is the price of turning turn the last offer and choosing war instead: the next one won't be so favourable.

Israel does not deliberately kill civilians. Individual soldiers are guilty of doing so, as in any army. Nor is the ratio of civilians to combatants killed especially remarkable compared to those of NATO nations' actions, in Iraq or Afghanistan, and a lot more favourable than, say, Russia in Chechnya, Sri Lanka with Tamils, or even Turks with Kurds.

You seem to be fishing for someone to say that ALL criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic.

I doubt you'll have much luck here, and the question inevitably arises, Why seek such an answer in the first place?

BTW, you are aware that the average life expectancy in Gaza, according to the UN stats, remains higher than Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, and equal to Syria i.e. no worse and mostly better than the Arab states surrounding?

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/socind/health.htm

This must be one of the mildest sieges in history.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:18

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What's it compared to Israel?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:18

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I agree that to criticise Israel is not anti semitic.

You agree with what idiot?
Criticising Israel is mostly what antisemites do today. Because they cannot say "Jew" so they say "Israelis". They would never criticise any other nation for the same problem.
That's the difference between criticism of Israel and antisemitism.

Therefore criticising late trains in Israel could be antisemitic, if the same person would not criticise Egyptian trains or Iranian trains for being also late. Singling out Israel while many other countries could be similarly criticised is antisemitic. So says the EU definition.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:18

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"Israel is the occupier (as recognised by International Law) and the Palestinians are the occupied"

This is simply nonsense on so many levels. International law is a myth, but even under 'IL' there are no 'Palestinians' whose 'country' can be 'occupied'.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:22

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"if Palestinians live behind walls and have their land occupied"

Loaded question is right. They don't have 'their land' occupied.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:26

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What's it compared to Israel?

Why should it be compared to Israel?
This comment is antisemitic, by the way! Didn't have to wait long!
Why don't you compare it to Japan? France? UK?
The Israeli health system is paid by Israelis and for Israelis, although some 'Palestinians' benefit also from it, sometimes.
So when you single out Israel's health system as a reference for 'Palestinian' health system, wanting to show an 'injustice' (right?), that comment is biased and thus antisemitic.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:28

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In response to suzanna's original post. Keep up, people.


jamesmcmann

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:31

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Jose - exactly. You're right. Comparing it with Israel shows nothing. As comparing it with neighbouring states means nothing. That's the fucking point. (Sorry for swears.)

You see persecution EVERYWHERE! Not Jews, Jose - YOU. (And Yoni1)


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:37

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Any idea what James is blabbering about?

James, have you been to Israel? Have you spent time there? Do you know much, or anything, about Jewish history, Israeli history, Middle Eastern history, the history of antisemitism past and present - or are you just shooting your mouth off for the hell of it?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:38

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As comparing it with neighbouring states means nothing.

Sorry: it does. First because they are ethnic Arabs (remember that 'Palestinians' are not a people), they have the same culture and beliefs system. And so they ought to be compared with them to show that they are favoured by the UNRWA rich payment for the 'Palestinian' health system.
Israelis are a different people, different culture (mostly western science and medicine) so the Israeli health system can be compared to the Western ones, not to the Arab ones.

Understood?

You see persecution EVERYWHERE! Not Jews, Jose - YOU.

And you cannot think logically, not Christians... YOU!


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:39

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And by the way, while we are talking about antisemitic comments, jamesmccann, what makes you think I'm a Jew?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 18:41

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So jamesmccann, that was your second antisemitic comment: implying that because I'm an Israeli, I am a Jew.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:56

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This is just too hilarious for words. James is winding you all up and you are too stupid to see it.

JoseAnth thank phuqu you are not a fish , you wouldn't survive five minutes.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:59

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This is just too hilarious for words. James is winding you all up and you are too stupid to see it.

simonsam, maybe you didn't notice but his two antisemitic comments didn't. You are hilarious! But inversion is your usual error.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:59

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because I'm an Israeli,

And the moon is made of green cheese.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:13

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because I'm an Israeli,

Sure simonsam, you are. Did you also believe I was a Jew?


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:15

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Simonson, you really need to change your pills. James is not winding us up - we can see right through him.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:20

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And the moon is made of green cheese.

This is the most valid statement you have made since you appeared in these blogs.


Yoni1

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:00

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LOL.


amber

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:48

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Lukas, you are a disgusting anti-Semitic piece of crap. You have the bloody temerity to show up on a Jewish site, exclaiming that Hamas is not fascist nor anti-Semitic. For your information, this is an organization which advocates the extermination of every last Jew on earth - and you have no problem with it.

Why is this racist permitted to post here? This is intolerable.


amber

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:50

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Richard Falk is an anti-Semite - equating Israel with Nazis, as he has repeatedly done, is indeed anti-Semitism. meanwhile, perhaps you should look up your friend Tutu's views on the Holocaust - another anti-Semitic moron.

And Jenny Tonge thinks Jewish doctors steal organs.

What a piece of garbage you are.


amber

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:52

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Mccann Israel does not murder civilians, nor does it occupy "Palestinian" land.


amber

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...says Suzanna, the anti-Semite.

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