David Ward blog post written by John Hilley


By MatthewHarris
February 14, 2013
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To Jennifer Lipman's very interesting article on David Ward (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/102445/lib-dems-could-remove-whip-jews...) can be added an intriguing PS: Mr Ward's latest "Israel" blog posting (http://davidward.org.uk/en/article/2013/659668/guardian-continues-the-ho...) was written not by Mr Ward, but by a Mr John Hilley, who blogs at "Zenpolitics" (http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1 http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1). Mr Ward credits this "source" at the bottom of the piece on his site, and there on Mr Hilley's site (http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/guardian-continues-hounding-of-...) is indeed the very piece that Mr Ward reproduced word for word on his own site, all about how Mr Ward is apparently being "hounded" by Zionist liberals who write for the Guardian. Who in Mr Ward's office can possibly imagine that this was useful to his cause? One must assume that Team Ward saw Mr Hilley's piece and thought: "At last! A commentator who has written supportively about David Ward!" What is there to say?

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Rich Armbach

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 11:17

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" is there really a place for a liar in the liberal democrat party … "

Well if the Likud party can have the widely acknowledged mother of all liars why can't the libdems have David Ward ?


Ben F

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 13:54

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if liberal democrat mp david ward is not a liar, then who is?

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Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 14:24

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The original statement remains on Ward’s website and therefore his apology has no credibility. Until Ward loses the Whip many feel that no-one should have anything to do with the LDs - let alone vote for them.


Rich Armbach

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 14:40

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How many ?


zaheerayin

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 15:41

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Bollocks. The statement needs to stay there so people can see what he's apologising for.

Did someone spank you and lock you in a closet, Jonathan? You seem to need a lot of revenge in your life. What has happened to you that you're such a vengeful person? Are you so damaged that you need to punish people beyond what's rational because you can't see when enough is enough? I'm concerned about this pattern of zealous punishing of others that you've displayed over the years.


zaheerayin

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 15:44

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Making unpleasant things disappear doesn't change the fact that they exist or have merit. Think about it.


Ben F

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 16:44

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What's really funny is the dumbo actually thinks these things do disappear. He also thinks that because there's no timing on a blog post, that the times when he posts blogs on the public dime is not being monitored.

You forgot some, Joshua.

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Mary in Brighton

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 17:09

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I am more concerned about his need to endlessly punish himself.


Harvey

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:25

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Are you aware of this new development Matthew
. http://hurryupharry.org/2013/02/20/david-ward-promotes-apologists-for-hi...

Ward posting an open letter from Leslie Bravery New Zealand PSC .
Bravery is a regular contributor to de Liberation , a virulently antisemitic website


happygoldfish

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 19:32

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neither clegg nor the whips (although they have mildly censured him for his holocaust comparison) seem to have been bothered by the lie he told, about "atrocities"

as you yourself said, matthew (http://matthewfharris.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/david-ward-talks-offensive-...) …

As for Mr Ward's comments on the Holocaust, I'd be interested to read precise details of how, within a few years of the Holocaust, "the Jews" carried out "atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."
Upon reading the history of Arabs living in the new State of Israel (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel), I do not see anything about "atrocities" - perhaps Mr Ward could enlighten me?
When I read Amnesty International's latest annual report on the Palestinian territories (http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories...), I read much that concerns me, but I do not read about "(atrocities) on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza".

matthew, would you please draw the whips' attention to another lie on david ward's website, at http://davidward.org.uk/en/article/2012/639755/david-ward-mp-s-west-bank...

In the second area, that of water control, the policy of controlling water is plain for all to see. As we drove along the road heading north we could see, time and time again, the small Bedouin farmers with bare, scrappy land on which there were a few goats or sheep whilst on the other side of the road we could for mile after mile see lush, green plantations and crops - surrounded by security fencing - that were being farmed by the Israeli settlers.

If this is not ethnic cleansing, then what is?

(even if this were a fair comparison, which it almost certainly isn't …)

"ethnic cleansing" is a charge habitually made against israel by racists, apparently oblivious of the need for some element of reduction in population

if the racists are to be believed, israelis are either the most clever or the most incompetent ethnic cleansers in the whole world … they've for decades been ethnically cleansing a population which is inexorably increasing!

it is regrettable that neither clegg nor the whips seem bothered by ward's lie about atrocities, nor ward's lie about ethnic cleansing

is there really a place for a liar in the liberal democrat party … especially if his lies are only about israel and/or jews?

if liberal democrat mp david ward is not a liar, then who is?


happygoldfish

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 18:55

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nick clegg's treatment of the ward incident is appalling

clegg's lack of distinction between "friends of israel" and "jews" (or "friends of jews") shows exactly the same mindset as ward's

and ward's lies about "atrocities" and "ethnic cleansing" have not only not been criticised, they have been validated by clegg, as "legitimately held views" …

Nick wished it to be quite clearly understood that the party recognises your right to express your legitimately and sincerely held views on the conditions in which Palestinians live, especially on the West Bank and in Gaza.

ward's "punishment" is to receive instruction on how to lie about israel without being called racist

(see also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21605814 and for a photocopy of the whole letter, see here)

i hope that the lib dem friends of israel will immediately tell clegg that they refuse to have anything to do with this: that clegg's job is to protect the party's reputation by suspending or expelling ward, not by praising his sincerity and assisting him in getting away with it next time

it is not the job of the lib dem friends of israel to defend jews

it is certainly not the job of the lib dem friends of israel to help ward attack israel

ward is not some 15-year-old burglar who doesn't appreciate the distress a burglary causes (eg he thinks the victims claim on their insurance, get new stuff, and then forget about it) until he meets his victims and has it spelled out to him

ward knows perfectly well what distress he is causing … and intending to cause

and anyway, clegg has not required ward to accept instruction on the distress caused by his racism …

he is required only to accept instruction on …

"language that will be proportionate and precise in your future interventions in this debate" …

any lesson on distress is something clegg expects him to work out for himself …

We would also hope that this would allow you to achieve a better understanding of the legitimate concern that your comments has caused within the wider Jewish community.

this is an internal cover-up that the lib dem friends of israel are expected to take part in

(btw, "legitimate" concern? a jewish concern as "legitimate" as what clegg describes as ward's "legitimately held" views on "atrocities" and "ethnic cleansing"?)

meanwhile, other liberal democrats who are dismayed at ward's racism are effectively muzzled … since the disciplinary proceedings are still pending, the matter is sub judice, and they could be disciplined themselves if they comment

it is unfortunately necessary for all three parties to have a separate "friends of israel"

i hope it is not about to become necessary for the liberal democrats to have a separate "friends of jews"


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 10:46

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i'm pleased to note the rejection by ldfi of nick clegg's decision to refer david ward to them

although yestesrday morning gavin stollar (ldfi chair) said

LDFI has essentially been appointed as probation officers for David Ward," said Mr Stollar. "If we are not convinced that he is salvageable then we'll be in the position to report back to the leader and the chief whip and express our views.
Rather than making him a martyr, LDFI welcomes the opportunity to educate one of our MPs.

by yesterday evening this had changed to …

I regret to inform you that despite assurances to the contrary, the offending statement is still live on David Ward's website (three days after you were given assurances of its removal and over a month since it was first made).
I think this demonstrates in no uncertain terms David Ward's genuine views despite, I know, your best efforts to explain why the language and timing of his statement were so offensive and repugnant.
Ward has thus failed to comply with the undertakings he gave you. In those circumstances LDFI must refer the matter back to you with a strong recommendation of further disciplinary action.

it is regrettable that nick clegg's lack of judgment prevented him from seeing that as inevitable


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 16:02

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hmm … david ward is now effectively accusing lib dem chief whip alistair carmichael of lying

from today's bradford telegraph and argus (at 7.00am, so presumably recording an interview yesterday evening) …

The Bradford East MP insisted no such punishment had been imposed
Mr Ward also said it was his understanding that any disciplinary process was now over – despite the Lib Dem chief whip stating it was merely “adjourned”.
And he spoke of his “anger” at the way the issue had been handled …,
The MP told the T&A: “I’m very disappointed and angry about this, because what has been said does not reflect what I believe was decided.
“And, as someone who has run race awareness classes, I find the idea that I have been sent on some sort of correctionary course to be patronising and quite offensive.”
“The way the party deals with complaints needs to be looked at. I have never been shown any evidence that there was an original complaint against me”

happygoldfish

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:02

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well that was quick!

and now all is silence!

a psalm for the liberal democrat party

SWIFT AND SILENT

How swift and silent is thy sacrifice!

It is like the wind

It was, and it is gone

It is a striving after nothing

People say, I felt it but it is no more

May all who believe in it be like it!

A principle is sacrificed

Memory of memories

Swift and silent


Rich Armbach

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 16:17

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Must ?


Rich Armbach

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 10:37

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by the lie he told, about "atrocities"

Will you be campaigning in respect of the lying in the UCU tribunal case ?


happygoldfish

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 12:11

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Rich Armbach: by the lie he told, about "atrocities"
Will you be campaigning in respect of the lying in the UCU tribunal case ?

liberal democrat mp david ward's lie about "
jews … inflciting atrocites on Palestinians … and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza

" was a racist lie, and a lie likely to stir up racial hatred

the alleged lies in the ucu case were not racist lies, and were not likely to stir up racial hatred

unfortunately, there are racists on this website who instead of condemning racist speech draw attention away from it either by comparing it with other, non-racist, speech or by criticising the person drawing attention to the racist speech

how odd that you are copying them (including a spurious criticism against me of inconsistency)!

that's rich!

happygoldfish

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 16:19

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why can't the liberal democrats deal with racism?

is it because they need the seats?

jenny tonge was sacked, reinstated, sacked, promoted to permanent membership of the house of lords, and finally resigned from the party …

how much longer would it have gone on if she hadn't resigned?

and now the process is starting again with bradford east mp david ward

it is difficult to imagine conservative or labour making such a mess of party discipline

it is almost as if the liberal democrats think that racism doesn't really matter!

clegg's attempt to deal with this by informal meetings and vague good intentions (coupled with praise for ward's "legitimately … held views") has completely backfired … david ward now claims that there never was a formal complaint against him, and that whatever proceedings there were have ended

let's apply a little goldfishsense to this

clegg must start again: he must appoint a formal tribunal of three previously uninvolved party members, to hear as soon as possible a list of formal charges against david ward, possibly:

  • bringing the party into disrepute by comparing the actions of present-day jews with the atrocities of the holocaust

  • bringing the party into disrepute by making manifestly false accusations likely to stir up hatred against a friendly country
  • bringing the party into disrepute by deliberately using holocaust memorial day to issue a statement which was in fact likely to stir up hatred against jews
  • clegg must do this as soon as possible, or his party will become a laughing-stock, and the only safe liberal democrat seat will be bradford east itself


    happygoldfish

    Thu, 04/25/2013 - 09:09

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    it's 8 weeks since anything has happened …

    24th jan: liberal democrat mp david ward celebrates holocaust memorial day with a racist lie about atrocities

    28th jan: the lib dem party send him a letter of censure which a spokesman calls "the equivalent of a yellow card"

    he subsequently fails to remove the original offence, and repeats it in other forms

    11th Feb: the chief whip meets him

    12th Feb: nick clegg in parliament says "I am unambiguous in my condemnation of anyone, from whatever party including my own, who uses insensitive, intemperate, provocative and offensive language".

    25th feb: nick clegg (and the chief whip) meets him, "recognises your right to expressyour legitimately and sincerely held views", but says that "generalised condemnation of a whole people" is not "justified", and his remarks were "unacceptable and must not be repeated", and accepts his undertakings to remove certain remarks and to

    26th feb: the chief whip sends him a letter recording the previous day's meeting,

    "At the meeting you undertook to work along with Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel andSimon Hughes MP to identify and agree language that will be proportionate and precise inyour future interventions in this debate. We would also hope that this would allow you toachieve a better understanding of the legitimate concern that your comments has causedwithin the wider Jewish community.
    I am not clear how much time this work will require although it will involve other peoplemaking time available to work with you and their availability is at present unknown. In thecircumstances, therefore, the disciplinary process currently stands adjourned and a date willrequire to be fixed at which progress can be reviewed and it can be concluded."

    28th february: ldfi chair gavin stollar writes to clegg, referring ward's case back to him

    "Ward has thus failed to comply with the undertakings he gave you. In those circumstances LDFI must refer the matter back to you with a strong recommendation of further disciplinary action."

    28th february: david ward denies (to the bradford telegraph and argus) that any disciplinary procedure happened …

    The Bradford East MP insisted no such punishment had been imposed …
    Mr Ward also said it was his understanding that any disciplinary process was now over
    "…I have never been shown any evidence that there was an original complaint against me”

    TODAY (25th april, 8 weeks later!):
    NOTHING WHATEVER HAS HAPPENED SINCE!


    happygoldfish

    Thu, 04/25/2013 - 09:53

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    matthew harris, when jewish voters look you in the eye and ask you what the lib dems do about racism …

    what will you say?

    jenny tonge was sacked, reinstated, sacked, and eventually promoted to permanent membership of the house of lords …

    david ward is completely immune …

    what sort of party are you in?

    j, harris, and ward … why are you still in the same boat?


    Rich Armbach

    Thu, 04/25/2013 - 13:13

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    yyyyyyyaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn


    joemillis1959

    Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:34

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    For as long as jose/blacklisted/anthony p/lbnaz etc reposts his rubbish as Happy Goldfish, i will repost this.
    Why can't the JC deal with "Happy Goldfish" who also goes by the names off Lbnaz/Jose/blacklisted d/Anthony p/ etc? They were banned, why not he? He is up to his old colourful multiple posting tricks again and He's having one of his regular Groundfish Days.

    So who will rid us of this disciple of Onan?


    Harvey

    Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:16

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    happygoldfish

    Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:00

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    (joe millis, stop lying about me …
    for reply, see http://www.thejc.com/blogs/jonathan-hoffman/a-stain-on-lse#comment-38735 )

    a pair of tonges?


    happygoldfish

    Thu, 06/06/2013 - 18:26

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    happygoldfish:
    28th february: david ward denies (to the bradford telegraph and argus) that any disciplinary procedure happened …

    The Bradford East MP insisted no such punishment had been imposed …
    Mr Ward also said it was his understanding that any disciplinary process was now over
    "…I have never been shown any evidence that there was an original complaint against me”

    TODAY (25th april, 8 weeks later!):
    NOTHING WHATEVER HAS HAPPENED SINCE!

    UPDATE:

    27th may (12 weeks later):
    still nothing has happened, except that david ward tweets:

    "Disciplinary process against me re #Palestine comments adjourned pending meeting …"

    with jewish peers alex carlile qc and julia neuberger

    clegg is still trying to avoid appointing a proper disciplinary tribunal to consider the case

    hopefully, carlile and neuberger will refuse to cooperate, for the same reasons as the ldfi did

    (no date has been set for the meeting, and "the JC understands there is no guarantee it will go ahead")


    happygoldfish

    Fri, 06/28/2013 - 18:00

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    UPDATE:

    19th june (15 weeks later):
    still nothing has happened, except that (from liberal democrats friends of palestine on 19th june) …

    "Baroness Neuberger and Lord Carlile, who were due to hold a meeting with MP David Ward, in order to ‘re-educate’ him in ‘sensitivity and language training’ apparently no longer wish to do so."

    this was confirmed by thejc.com on 27th june

    "… the peers have withdrawn after Mr Ward publicised the meeting on Twitter. At the end of May he asked his followers for “advice” and revealed the names of the two peers.
    It is thought Lord Carlile and Baroness Neuberger had expected the meeting to remain confidential until it had taken place. Neither of them would comment on the situation this week.
    On Wednesday, a Lib Dem spokesman said he was unable to confirm the cancellation of the meeting and could not comment further on the status of the disciplinary action."

    clegg is still trying to avoid appointing a proper disciplinary tribunal to consider the case


    happygoldfish

    Fri, 07/05/2013 - 17:22

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    interfaith relations need tender care, not deliberate upset …
    (you don't have to be a goldfish to understand this
    but it helps! )

    happygoldfish

    Mon, 07/15/2013 - 09:09

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    SEVEN weeks later (from 27th may) and still no meeting!

    it's good to see the lib dems reviving liberal prime minister herbert henry asquith's old "wait and see" policy of doing nothing!

    here's the jc's leader of 30th may

    this farce will run and run!

    Doing nothing
    If it wasn't so serious, the LibDems' farcical handling of David Ward would be prime fodder for The Thick Of It.

    To recap: Mr Ward announced that "the Jews" had not sufficiently learned the lesson of the Holocaust. In response, the LibDems did precisely nothing.
    Then, after this lack of action was pointed out, they did precisely nothing. Then, when there were complaints that they had done nothing, they responded by doing precisely nothing. Then, when it was pointed out that they had done nothing, they suggested that Mr Ward might meet some Jews. Perhaps, they said, the LibDem Friends of Israel might talk to him. But LDFI had no wish to meet Mr Ward.
    Now they have found two other Jews for him to meet. We will await the next non-development.

    yes, that's the way to keep the votes to remain permanently in government

    masterful inaction!

    happygoldfish

    Mon, 07/15/2013 - 10:39

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    joemillis1959 (14/2/2013): … why no outrage over Toryboy Aidan Burley?

    joemillis1959: Meanwhile, we are still waiting for that Tory report on Aiden Burley. Any news?

    aidan burley's alleged racism was in private, he would have preferred it to remain so, and he expects to lose votes because of it

    david ward's racism is (still) on his website, he wants everyone to see it, and he expects to win votes because of it

    moreover, aidan burley appears to have promised not to repeat the offence, while david ward appears to have reaffirmed the offence despite the chief whip's "final warning"

    joemillis1959: … Seems to me that being part of a Nazi fancy dress party and tweeting about being bored at a holocaust Remembrance event is just as bad/stupid as Ward's comments …

    Not trivialising either case. Merely pointing out double standards

    aidan burley's behaviour is likely to stir up hatred of tories,

    david ward's behaviour is designed to stir up hatred of jews

    you certainly are trivialising ward's behaviour … you've even avoided describing it, so as to give the impression that you're making a fair comparison with burley

    joe, you are as anxious to trivialise ward's behaviour down to the level of burley's as ward is to trivialise the holocaust


    joshua789

    Fri, 07/19/2013 - 11:17

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    The second development comes from none other than Israel’s own State Comptroller – an independent inspector who serves the Knesset as an investigative examiner of the conduct of the executive branch, the government, and its many institutions. It turns out that one of the State Comptroller’s targets this year is law enforcement on settlements and settlers in the West Bank. We know this because the State Comptroller today released a detailed report which reveals the complete absence of law enforcement in the settlements. It validates what Peace Now has long known, that (in the Comptroller’s words) “Israeli Authorities act against the law and for the settlers.”

    Specifically, the Comptroller points to the nonexistence of legal oversight in building and construction and use of land by settlers – who enjoy the use of the land without paying the legally required rents (depriving state coffers of huge income due), without legally required oversight of their actions, and with no accountability. As the Comptroller concluded, the West Bank has become a Wild West where "Everyone does what is right in his own eyes." To read more, see the statement/summary issued today by Peace Now.

    Both of these developments remind Israelis of the high costs that settlements impose on each and every one of them – costs that include growing international isolation, financial strain on Israel’s already over-taxed budget, and the deterioration of Israeli rule of law.


    happygoldfish

    Fri, 07/19/2013 - 16:58

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    UPDATE:

    17th july (19 weeks later):
    the lib dem whip has been suspended from david ward from wednesday 17th july to friday 13th september

    (the house rises on 18th july, returns on 2nd september, and rises again for "conference recess" on 13th september: thus the suspension lasts one whole recess and and one whole session, see here, and ends the day before the lib dem autumn conference, which is 14th to 18th september)

    the full text of the letter from chief whip alistair carmichael is at http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-ward-has-party-whip-withdraw-over-jews-... (the news seems to have been broken by libdemvoice.org around 9.00am on 18th july: it is not yet on either the lib dem or the ldfi websites)

    of course, suspension of the whip has no effect while parliament is in recess

    this suspension is effectively only for 12 days


    joemillis1959

    Fri, 07/19/2013 - 18:51

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    Moderators: As usual Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator is leapfrogging his inane posts. He always claimed that all who disagreed with his view of Israel was a "racist".


    suzanna

    Tue, 07/23/2013 - 09:25

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    “I will not be going to Israel at this time. I will go to Israel when the walls come down. I will go to
    Israel when occupation is gone. I will go to Israel when the state does not privilege one religion over another. I will go to Israel when Apartheid is over'

    Mira Nair


    joemillis1959

    Wed, 07/24/2013 - 18:57

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    Looks like Jose the blacklisted dictator Goldfish has found a way around a new barring. Now it's in the hands of JC board chairman Anthony Julius and Tracey Abraham, the JC's Chief Operating Officer, who will have to decide whether they want this site to be turned into a laughing stock by a narcissistic hate-mongering nihilist. At least the Guardian's Comment is Free and Richard Millett's blog are properly moderated, the latter of which has barred him and his other pseudonyms.


    joemillis1959

    Thu, 07/25/2013 - 12:16

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    Maybe if the JC blocks Jose the Happy dictatorial blacklisted dictator he'll come back as JK Rowling


    happygoldfish

    Thu, 07/25/2013 - 18:59

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    information withheld:

    carmichael's letter (17/7/13) makes it clear that there have been two meetings with david ward which we previously did not know had happened …

    You will recall that we discussed the report of your two meetings with the group convened by Simon, which included Jewish colleagues. As Nick indicated to you, that report was a largely positive one. In particular we were all pleased to note that you appreciated the need to use language in this debate that was proportionate and precise.

    … and we still do not know the dates, nor the people present

    nor is there any indication why the first meeting was so unsatisfactory that it was felt necessary to hold a second meeting with the same people present

    david ward now appears to have been correct (and alistair carmichael to have been at best unrealistic) when, on 28th february (to the bradford telegraph and argus, 28/2/13) …

    Mr Ward also said it was his understanding that any disciplinary process was now over

    … these two secret meetings do not appear to have been disciplinary meetings in any sense

    original matters still not dealt with:

    david ward's suspension is precisely and explicitly for his tweet of 13th july

    and it is solely for his rejection of the party line on the two-state solution

    … questioning the continued existence of the State of Israel …
    … we also hope you recognise that we have given you every opportunity to reconcile the expression of your views with the party’s policy on a two-state solution. Unfortunately, you have not been able to do that.

    the original matters of complaint … celebrating holocaust memorial day with a racist lie about atrocities (24th january), a racist criticism of jews, then failing to remove the offensive words, and repeating them in other forms (in the next two weeks) … have still not been dealt with, and never will be

    the original serious complaint of racism (and lying) has successfully been sidelined, and superseded by a token suspension for the minor complaint of contradicting party policy


    happygoldfish

    Thu, 08/01/2013 - 18:04

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    nick clegg's failure to discipline david ward mp over holocaust abuse has encouraged another lib dem mp to copy him

    on monday 8th july, sir bob russell, liberal democrat mp for colchester, equated israeli treatment of the palestinians with the holocaust, and asked for such equation to be reflected in the national curriculum

    "On the assumption that the 20th century will include the holocaust, will he give me an assurance that the life of Palestinians since 1948 will be given equal attention?"

    this is the same bob russell who on 18th june 2013 said:

    "Israel, by its policies, is a racist, apartheid state."

    and the same bob russell who on 10th july 2013 lied about bedouin being moved from their "ancestral homelands" (they have been sedentary since long before israel, and are only being moved a short distance within their negev homeland: for detail, see here) and about "ethnic cleansing" …

    "Britain has always condemned ethnic cleansing, wherever it takes place around the world. Will the Foreign Secretary therefore condemn the Israeli Parliament for its vote to evict 40,000 Bedouin from their ancestral homelands?"

    gavin stollar (ldfi chair) commented to jewishnews (10th july): "Bob Russell is a fringe, marginal voice in the community. All parties have them sadly"

    no other action has been taken against bob russell


    happygoldfish

    Tue, 09/10/2013 - 09:43

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    whatever the voters like ?

    Chaim Pesach

    Tue, 10/08/2013 - 12:03

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    HG, your post above appears to have been repeated often over the past few weeks. Why is that? Also, why do you complain elsewhere to the editor of this esteemed organ that this website is going backwards and that threads are hard to follow when your posts appear multiple times?

    I say this because I had wanted to join the debate some weeks ago, but was put off by multiple repeated postings. That doesn't help the debate, does it?


    Chaim Pesach

    Wed, 10/09/2013 - 14:23

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    HG, my name is Chaim Pesach and I do live in Bournemouth (well, Sandbanks, actually). I wanted to join months before I actually registered.
    I have nothing but contempt for Kahanists and his name's Chaim Ben Pesach, or Vince something.

    What I meant to say was that this post of yours seems to bounce about a lot.


    happygoldfish

    Fri, 11/01/2013 - 17:56

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    Chaim Pesach: HG, your post above appears to have been repeated often over the past few weeks … your posts appear multiple times?

    uhh?

    this post appears only once
    i have only multiple-posted when someone else multiple-posted on different pages, and i (obviously) posted the same reply to both

    (or when i repeatedly replied to the repeated lie told bout me by the elected representative of bromley reform synagogue )

    Chaim Pesach: I say this because I had wanted to join the debate some weeks ago, but was put off by multiple repeated postings.

    that's not true … you have nothing to say about the matter!

    (and anyway you only registered here, from bournemouth, 9 days ago, on 30th september)

    UPDATE:

    13th september (27 weeks later) automatic reinstatement:

    although the bradford telegraph and argus of 1/8/2013 reported …

    A Bradford MP may not be allowed back into the Liberal Democrat party when his suspension ends, Nick Clegg hinted yesterday.

    … the same newspaper (13/9/2013) reports that he has been "automatically reinstated" …

    David Ward is celebrating a return to the Liberal Democrat parliamentary party after his two-month suspension was lifted.
    But the Bradford East MP immediately vowed he would continue to call for the demise of what he calls the “apartheid state of Israel”, the cause of the bust-up.
    Mr Ward was automatically reinstated to the party at midnight, which means he can vote alongside Lib Dem colleagues and is included in party communications.
    But, in the end, the party whip was restored without any further guarantees being sought from Mr Ward and after a single conversation with a junior whip.

    The delighted Bradford East MP said: “My computer system has been turned back on, so it’s business as usual.”

    (david ward was interviewed last week for bbc yorkshire and lincolnshire's "sunday politics" programme, and was "far from apologetic", but the interview does not seem to have been broadcast yet, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24051901)

    17th september:
    david ward tweets about the "hideous weapons used by Israel in Gaza"

    algemeiner today (17/9/2013) reports …

    Following a six-week suspension from his party for remarks deemed insensitive to Jews and the Jewish state, it took UK Liberal Democrat MP David Ward little time to resume his attacks against Israel after being restored to his position. In a post to his Twitter account on Tuesday, MP Ward wrote that he was “looking forward” to a Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel’s conference event “on hideous weapons used by Israel in Gaza.”
    The Tweet was taken down seconds later and replaced with the more impartial: “Looking forward to #LDFI event tonight on use of sensitive language.”
    Jeremy Newmark, chief executive of Britain’s Jewish Leadership Council, said: “The speed at which his attempts to demonize and delegitimize Israel followed his return to the party speaks volumes.
    The ease and warmth with which some are welcoming Ward back into the fold following the expiry of his suspension is somewhat distasteful.”

    this is despite the party's instruction to him to "use language that is proportionate and precise."


    suzanna

    Mon, 11/11/2013 - 14:45

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    happygoldfish

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    UPDATE:

    4th november (34 weeks later): david ward mp claims that he was "suspended for something i didn't say", says that the state of israel should never have been created, and again calls israel an apartheid state

    this was at "britain, it’s time to apologize for the balfour declaration", in the houses of parliament, organised by the palestinian return centre (http://www.prc.org.uk/portal/index.php/, see here)

    here is the relevant transcript (the video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUd19k8Cdc0) …

    (4:30) when i was suspended, i was virtually suspended for something i didn't say, because when i saw nick and the others, they said (4:40) you can't say the state of israel shouldn't exist, and i said well actually i never said that, i was talking about the apartheid state [if its not an apartheid state] find me one that is [applause], that's what i actually said, and he said you can't say this state shouldn't exist, … i said actually i never said that, i said it should never have been created [laughter in audience] in the first place … in the first place
    (he also threw in a reference (4:00) to a video he'd just seen showing israeli army dogs "let loose on" a palestinian woman out shopping: this is a shortened version of a video of 2007 whose complete version is described by "Te'oma" on www.ummah.com (who describes herself as "usually the first one to jump on Israelis for doing stuff that's wrong or unprofessional as soldiers") very differently

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?118584-#post1748361
    the second, different version shows a bit more. The soldier is holding the dog and trying to get it to release and he's holding it so it can't shake the woman. The one soldier actually kicks the dog in the head and then she is calmly led away for treatment I assume by their manner. Leads me to think that perhaps it was an accident and the dog was poorly trained because it didn't release on command.
    #post1748365
    They seemed pretty gentle with her
    #post1750516
    Yup...it's how they got the dog to release her finally. If you watch it closely 2 of the soldiers kick the dog. First kick is at 30 seconds into the second video and second kick is at 36 seconds
    http://www.upload.ps/uploads100307/ef753644cf.wmv [no longer available]
    I am usually the first one to jump on Israelis for doing stuff that's wrong or unprofessional as soldiers but I have to say that I am disapointed by some here. I refuse to allow my feelings blind me to what might be the truth and in this case, after watching both videos, I think it looks like an accident and the dog was just out of control and the soldiers acted appropriately. The handler grabbed the dog in a way that any attempt to attack would cause it to choke. With the dog restrained like that you still have the person in it's jaws so you give it something else to attack ie a boot moving towards its face so the dog will see the boot as more of a threat then the person and release them to go after the boot.
    Then as they walk away, they don't hustle her away like they would if she was under arrest. One soldier holds the dog back away from the woman while one of the others turns her away from the dog and guides her with his hand as he points to where she should go. The other soldiers step back and give her room. If she had been under arrest, the dog would have been kept closer as an intimidation tool and she would have her arms restrained from both sides and they would be practically carrying her.

    happygoldfish

    Mon, 12/02/2013 - 11:39

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    the main political parties' concern is that they do not want the company of a racist mp … and any disciplinary inquiry would treat "disproportionate" language as merely evidence of the main charge of racism

    but the lib dems' concern is merely that they do not want public statements that embarass the party … "disproportionate" language is the charge, and a disciplinary inquiry is not concerned with identifying the underlying racism, and rooting it out

    first, jenny tonge (more than once), and now david ward

    lib dem seats … and lib dem votes … are too scarce for lib dems to consider expelling mps whose opinions would have them expelled from any other party

    UPDATE:

    15th november (36 weeks later):

    david ward mp tweets (https://twitter.com/DavidWardMP/status/401407238587559936) …

    "What a shame there isn't a powerful, well funded Board of Deputies for #Roma"

    is this because david ward mp is a tireless worker for roma rights, with the roma constantly on his mind?

    or is it because david ward mp has the power and funding of the (jewish) board of deputies constantly on his mind?

    let's examine his record of involvement with the roma

    well, on 20/12/2011 he asked a written question about the proportion of roma children who are eligible for pupil premium

    and on 21/4/2012, in his maiden speech, he said …

    For many years, my wife has worked in a service providing support for Travellers, Gypsies, Roma, asylum seekers and refugees. My personal test of new academies and free schools will be … on the extent to which they provide a helping hand for the clients my wife represents.

    since then, he has made no mention of roma, neither in parliament (so far as i can tell), nor on his own website (typing "roma" or "gypsies" or "travellers" into his own website's search box reveals no other mention)

    (he is of course a member of the all-party group "Gypsies Travellers Roma", see http://www.allparty.org/all-party-groups/gypsies-travellers-roma)

    let us contrast that with the board of deputies, whose treasurer (judge laurence brass) writes in the jewish news of 28/11/2013

    For the Jewish community there is a depressingly familiar resonance to the growing disparagement of the Roma community being voiced in the UK and throughout Europe.

    … the Roma are one of the most marginalized groups in Europe, facing challenges to overcome systematic discrimination. Numbering between 10 and 12 million people, the Roma are one of Europe’s largest and most disadvantaged minorities.

     I have been very proud in recent years to speak on behalf of the Jewish community in acts of remembrance on International Roma Day. I invariably recall the similarity of our treatment in the Holocaust. More recently, I have been working with my friends on the Gypsy Council to try and create a representative body fashioned along similar lines to the Board of Deputies.

    On Tuesday December 3rd we are hosting the so-called “Corbishley Lecture” in the Grand Committee Room of the House of Commons at 6.30pm [tickets here]. The principal speaker will be Dr Michael Privot, Director of the European Network against Racism and other speakers will include Sarah Teather MP and my friend Joseph Jones, Chairman of the Gypsy Council. The Lecture will be entitled: “The Unwelcome ‘Other’: The Litmus Test of the Roma”…

    the lib dems have correctly identified david ward's tweet as being sufficiently subtle not to embarrass the party

    is david ward mp merely an ignoramus and a hypocrite whose ignorance of the progress towards a roma board is "proportionate" to his lack of concern about it?

    or is it the jewishness, the power, and the funding of the jewish board of deputies which actually concerns him …

    and should that question not concern the lib dem party?

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