What is the point of this?

Lukas, I think you're feigning ignorance. Unless you're a very ignorant man, you know the answer.

I don't know the answer.

What is the point of collectively punishing over a million people and keeping them trapped in a huge ghetto (or 'prison camp’ as Mr Cameron would have it?

What does Israel hope to achieve?

Lukas is a supporter of Hamas, a racist, antisemitic genocidal terror organization. Lukas has expressed admiration for Hamas on these vrey blogs.

Lukas is a Jewbaiter.

Lukas, the Palestinians of Gaza voted for Hamas, a terror organization which has decalred itself at war with Israel.

Can you name one other country which maintains open borders with another entity with which it is at war?

Lukas, isn't the Palestinian fiting of rockets at Israeli civilians collective punishment?

JC, why do you tolerate Lukas?

Lukas, what is the point of Palestinian antisemitism, which is tha primary reason for the conflict? According to Pew, 97% of Palestinians hate Jews.

Gaza was already under siege before Hamas won the 2006 elections. Since 2000, especially, measure were undertaken to make life harder for the residents of Gaza.

From June 2004 (again before Hamas won the election) - January 2009 over 3000 people have been killed inside of Gaza as a direct result of a continual barrage from Israel by the Israeli army, air force and navy.

That makes 600 Palestinians killed by Israeli ordnance per year. Or 11 a week. Or nearly two Palestinians killed per day for five years.

A fifth of those casualties were children

Lukas, children are killed because Hamas fights from behind them, as you well know. If you wish to reduce the conflict to casualty figures, consider this: for every single British civilian killed in WW2, 25 German civilians were killed by us.

Obviously, using your brilliant logic, Britain was the aggressor and the Nazis were the hapless victims.

Gaza was not "under siege" before 2006, and is not now either. Israel delivers thousands of tonnes of goods every month, unlike the Palestinians' Arab brethren, who give them precisely zero. So you are lying.

But then what does one expect from a Hamas supporting Jewbaiting racist like you?

Lukas, can you explain endemic Palestinian antisemitism?

'Lukas, children are killed because Hamas fights from behind them, as you well know.

January 2009
Al-Muez Ledinallah Jihad al-Nasla, 3, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with his sister, by IDF bombs while on his way to the market in the al-Nada apartment buildings near a water reservoir in Izbat Beit Hanoun.

January 2010
Basel Muhammad Nafe abu-Edwan, 14, of al-Shouka, near Rafah, Gaza, killed by an unexploded IDF ordinance while he and his brother were herding sheep near their home.

March 2010
Muhammad Ibrahim Abdul-Qader Qadous, 16, of Iraq Burin, near Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his heart while exiting a taxi during an incursion.

Sept 2010
Husam Khaled Ibrahim Abdallah Musa abu-Said, 16, of Block 7 in Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his friend and grandfather, by shrapnel from an IDF shell while farming in abu-Eida, near the Gaza perimeter fence east of Beit Hanoun.

etcetera

Cheese, anyone?

...which proves what Lukas? Can you provide evidence that Hamas was not operating nearby?
I note you ignore the substantive points put to you.

By way of contrast, the Palestinians deliberately target civilians, and celebrate the deaths of Israelis in the streets and through official media. One does not see that in Israel.

You are a Jewbaiting racist Lukas.

Lukas, how do you explain Palestinian antisemitism, which is endemic?

Lukas proves my point again - he reduces the entire conflict to casualty lists. No such thing as cause and effect, or context, or intent.

Such is the universe of the moral relativist.

JC, Lukas, an apologist for Hamas, uses your website for propaganda against Jews.

This is intolerable.

'Lukas, how do you explain Palestinian antisemitism, which is endemic?'

'No such thing as cause and effect, or context, or intent'.

Think about it.

Lukas, no amount of cause and effect justifies anti-semitism, just like no amount of cause and effect justifies racism.

Thanks Lukas - you have just shown yourself to be a REAL JEWHATER.

Jews bring it on themselves. I left it open for you, and you walked right in.

How transparent are your motives.

JC, Lukas now blames antisemitism on Jews themselves. When oh when will you act?

What the hell does it take?

'No such thing as cause and effect, or context, or intent'.

Between 1957 - 72 the proportion of the total government's development budget allocated to the Palestinian Israeli sector ranged from 0.2 - 1.5 per cent. By 2008 this allocation had increased to 4% despite the fact that Palestinian citizens are one in five of the population and half of Arab families are below the poverty line.

millis, antisemitism is racism.

Lukas is a racist.

Lukas Jewhater. Bugger off back to your neofascist websites.

Lukas, I referred to your little list. Surprise surprise, you have provided no evidence that Hamas was not operating nearby.

Lukas, Palestinian Arabs, by your own admission, continue to thrive and grow in Israel. Compare to the treatment of Jews and other minorities in Arab countries - minorities who have virtually disappeared.

Destroys your "etnic cleansing" propaganda. But then, you are a Jewhater who doesn't care about facts.

Lukas, we see your motivation clearly. Support for Hamas, plus blaming antisemitism on Jews= rabid Jewhating racist.

Nothing justifies anti-Semitism with that I agree.

But this isn't about anti-Semitism. This is about occupation, walls, land grabs, illegal settlements and frequent and disproportional violence against unarmed people.

The excuse for the occupation used by the war crime apologists and those who support the occupation and the humiliation of the Palestinians do so under the guise of fighting anti Semitism.

You don't agree Lukas, because you are an antisemite yourself. This is evident from your support for Hamas, which is committed to the genocide of every last Jew on earth (read its charter and educate yourself). It is also clear from your contention that Jews bring antisemitism on themselves. Now, realizing that such a statement doesn't look so good for your propaganda, you try to backpeddle.

So I ask you again, can you explain the endemic antisemitism and racism in Palestinian society?

There is no occupation of Gaza - another lie from the Jewhater Lukas.

Lukas wants it both ways - he whines about a "siege" of Gaza (there isn't one) then says it's "occupied".

Such powers of logic Lukas. Just like the one that blames antisemitism on Jews.

Jewhater.

'Lukas, Palestinian Arabs, by your own admission, continue to thrive and grow in Israel'.

Not only do Palestinians within Israel live as second class citizens in terms of land ownership and development budgets but they are also frequently reminded that Israeli society considers their very presence to be a danger. This is commonly referred to as the 'demographic threat' a rather bland expression given that it is used to label Palestinians as dangerous on account of not being Jewish.
Discussing the 'threat' of the continued existence of Palestinians in Israel and the OPT is common amongst Israeli Politicians, military, academia and public.

As you like to invoke the Nazis every time I post an opinion, permit me to suggest that talking openly about a 'demographic threat' is very Nazi.
Imagine if a European country were to hold discussions on the 'worrisome natural growth of the Jews'. Yet this is exactly the kind of language routinely employed to discuss Palestinians in Israel.
In 2005, a drop in the Arab birth rate was viewed as a success to be celebrated with a senior Finance Ministry official quoted as saying that 'we are reversing the graph'
'Arab Birth Rate drops for first time in years', Ha'aretz, 24 Jan 2005

That, to be fair, is Nazi talk.

Another antisemitic lie from Lukas - Israel does not target unarmed people, and never has. It targets Hamas, who use their own population from which to fight behind.

Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians, and celebrates the deaths of innocents, not that Lukas has a problem with this. But then, he is a Jewbaiting racist.

More antisemitic lies from the Hamas supporter Lukas. Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, any more than Asians live as second class citizens in the UK.

But then, does one expect reason or logic from a self-prefessed supporter of an antisemitic racist genocidal terror organizatino?

If you want inequality, look at Palestinian society, where Jews are forbidden to live, such is the racism and antisemitism, and where women are treated like dirt. And if you're gay, forget it - they will kill you on the spot.

Another antisemitic lie from Lukas - Israel does not target unarmed people, and never has. It targets Hamas, who use their own population from which to fight behind'.

Jan 2008
Maher Fathi al-Kafarna, 16, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by an IDF surface-to-surface missile at al-Basha farm northeast of Beit Hanoun.

Jan 2008
Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Sept 2010
Muhammad Mamun abu-Sara, 1, of al-Issawiya village near Jerusalem, died at Hadasa hospital in Jerusalem from tear gas inhalation during daily IDF incursions into al-Issawiya from September 22-25.

Dec 2010
Muntasr Omar al-Batniji, 16, of al-Shujaiya, east of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his friend, by an unexploded IDF ordinance while playing near his home.

etcetera, etcetera

In the Palestinian authority, it is illegal to sell land to any Jew. The penalty for such a "crime" is death.

What an enlightened society. Lukas thinks so.

More lies from Lukas - don't bother providing context, cause and effect, or sources. Neither does one need to show that Hamas were not operating in the area.

Good bye

Lukas, what does your list prove, other than you are a propagandist? Does it show that Hamas were not there?

Answe this Lukas - are you happy with the racism, misogyny and intolerance exhibited in Palestinian society?

Lukas, do you think the Nazis were the victims of Britain in the war, considering 25 German civilians were killed for every one Briton?

Lukas, piss of back to your hate ridden antisemitic websites. Good riddance to utter trash.

JC, providing a platform for someone who supports Hamas and blames antisemitism on Jews is simply unacceptable.

'No such thing as cause and effect, or context, or intent'. says Lukas.

Lukas is who he is. Either he's not playing with a full deck, has a second rate mind, or a pure automaton.

In the field of science, separating cause and effect are very critical. In legal justice, intent is 90% of sentencing for criminal acts.

According to Gunness, Palestinian Arabs living in Gaza, under Palestinian Arab rule and authority are "refugees", so, according to Gunness even when the Palestinian Arabs are given autonomy they are still "refugees". "Refugee" is then a permanent status applied to Palestinian Arabs living in their own territory, or has Mr Gunness simply had too much Guinness!!