Impact of prolonged Israeli occupation on Palestinian children

Yes Lukas just think how much different things would have been had the Arabs accepted partition in 1947 or not sought to destroy israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Or not started an Intifada in 2000 after having been offered 98% of what they had asked for. But as usual the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity and then blame the Jews when it all goes wrong. Sorry but my thoughts are with the kids of Sderot who will be traumatised for life because the Palestinians hate our kids more than they love their own. Thy would rather their childen be martyrs than grow up and live a fulfilling life that's why they use them as human shields and put their arms bunkers under schools and hospitals. But carrying on projecing your western values on Islamist terrorists whose only aim is the destruction of Israel.

Even if accepting that what you write is a myth how does it excuse the death of so many children. Or their detention for that matter?

The view that all Palestinians are 'terrorists' is not held by any one any longer.

The children dying are as a result of their being placed in harm's way when gun battles are being fought. Where are the shelters in Gaza - don't bother looking there are none.
Secondly the terrorist goups recruit even the youngest to carry out attacks against israelis - there is something to be said for the fact that whilst they are held in Israeli detention they are less likely to be put in harm's way as human shields.
As for myths are you saying the Arabs did not reject partition in 1947 which would have given them even more land than going back to the 1949 Armistice lines which they now would have us believe they are willing to accept.

Lukas, an antisemite who has voiced support for the antisemitic genocidal terror group Hamas, has an opinion. The JC gives him a platform to air his racism.

Likas, what is the source for your figures? I also would like to know about your study into the effects on Israeli children of Palestinian terrorism, which has deliberately targeted them.

Lukas, we get nowhere until you acknowledfge that the conflict cannot simply be reduced to casualty figures. In the Second World War, The Germans suffered 25 civilian deaths for every one British civilian death. This, of course, must outrage you, and you would immediately lay the blame on Britain, right?

It is simply the result of lazy thinking and moral relativism. Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups hide behind their civilian populations, whilst offering them no protection (Hamas has built precisely zero shelters for its civilians, whilst firing rockets from population centres, against population centres, constituting a double war crime), whilst Israel builds shelters for her civilians, and her army does not fight from behind them. Surprise surprise, the Palestinians have more civilian casualties.

The allegation ,which you make here, that Israel enjoys killing children, is a blood libel against the Jewish people, and that you air your racism so shamelessly is despicable, as is the JC's tolerance for such racism.

Lukas, what lobbying organization do you represent?

Interesting post Lukus. Do you happen to have some proof that these deaths were caused as a direct consequence of Israeli presence on the disputed land.

Please forward on your source so i can check the credibility myself. I look forward to hearing from you

It is not racist or pro Hamas to quote these figures - which can be found on the B'tslem website.

The usual myth that Hamas hides behind the population is simply untrue. For a start Gaza is an urban prison - or ghetto if you prefer - that is surrounded / The people are walled in so they can't actually get out. They are shot at if they approach the walls or venture too far out to sea. It is the Israeli occupation army that shoots at them.

Comparing the people in Gaza and the West bank to the German situation in WW2 is unfair. Germany was an industrial nation with the ability to defend itself. The Palestinians are occupied, unarmed (except for light arms) and are barraged by missiles from the air, land and sea. And they are walled up.

If you looked at the citations from B'tslem, the UN and many others you would see that, rather than being child 'terrorists' engaged in vile attacks on Israelis, many children die in their homes, whilst playing or as a result of lethal raids by the occupying army.

For some people, it's always 1938 and nuclear-armed Israel is Czechoslovakia. Some people have to big up paper tigers in the hope that they will scare enough people into following them. Go figure.

Suzanna, it IS racist to say that Israel deliberately kills children. It IS racist to support Hamas, as Lukas does. And it IS racist to say attacks on Jews in the UK are the same as Israelis defending themselves against Palestinian terror groups, which is what you do.

millis, you can keep saying that when they come for the Jews. Maybe you find it comforting living in a fool's paradise.

Suzanna, Gaza is not occupied. And Hamas does make use of human shields, and provides no help to its civilians. They have not built a single shelter since coming to power, and your defence of Hamas, a racist, antisemitic terror organization, on a Jewish website, is beyond belief.

You are one sick individual.

Suzanna, the UN is antisemitic, so don't try to impress me with quoting them. What a joke.

Also , your analysis is completely wrong. Lukas does the numbers game. I gave you the numbers game with Nazi Germany. You say this is false because Germany is industrialized. How does that have anything at all to do with the point that Lukas is trying to make i.e. the Palestinians are victims bacsue they have more casualties?

War is war, and it will always be hell and not social work. I don't care who is doing the fighting.
The day Islamic fanatics care more about their own well being than hatred of non-islamics is when this will all stop, and not one day sooner.
End of story.

Whether I (or any one else is a racist) is just a diversion by the war crime apologists. It’s a tired tactic.

The figures are there for all to see. As are the facts. The Palestinians aren't 'victims' because they have more casualties they are victims because they are occupied, they are imprisoned in huge ghettoes / prisons and are shot at from the air, land and sea.
That is why they are victims - they are under occupation. Everyone accepts that.

How can you say Gaza isn't occupied when the entire area is surrounded, entry and exits are controlled by an occupying army, protesters and inhabitants alike are killed with impunity. (39 so far this year)

How can you say that the West Bank isn't occupied when Israel withholds tax revenue which belongs to the PA -from the PA because the PA dared to seek conciliation with their fellow citizens in Gaza? The occupying Israeli army controls every aspect of a Palestinian's life. Give the Palestinians their own freedom.

'And it IS racist to say attacks on Jews in the UK are the same as Israelis defending themselves against Palestinian terror groups, which is what you do'.

Can you explain to me how demolishing a Bedouin or Palestinian home is defence against a Palestinian 'terror group'?

How is expelling families from their homes in East Jerusalem protecting Israel from Palestinian 'terror groups'?

How is the shooting of civilians on a ship in international waters protection against Palestinian 'terror groups'?

How do illegal settlements and apartheid roads protect Israel from Palestinian 'terror groups'?

The citing of the effects on children in any conflict is truly a lame argument. Children aren't isolated, they suffer along with the parents. It doesn't illuminate us on the whole story.

In WWII, the Allies bombed Dresden where the Nazis had munitions factories. Children suffered there too. I'm waiting for the BBC to create a mystery/drama drawing a moral equivalence between the Allied powers the Axis.
Oh, wait a minute. They've already produced Foyle's War.

Foyle's War was on ITV. Just saying.

Thanks for the correction, Joe. In the US, it's always broadcast on PBS.