Further Flotillas

And like its predecessors, it will probably turn towards al-Arish once its captain(s) are made aware of international maritime law.

"civil society in Palestine"

Terrorists, you mean?

The point is that the international movement to gain justice for Palestinians is becoming more and more firmly embedded. The huge effort required to organise and fund a flotilla is indicative of the depth of feeling.
There is no comparable civilian effort in the world and for this reason, amongst many others, it has to be admired.

Similar to the Anti Apartheid movement the movement to bring justice for Palestine

There are two differences:
- the anti-apartheid movement was fighting an apartheid
- they were not supporting Nazi movements.

"The point is that the international movement to gain justice for Palestinians is becoming more and more firmly embedded"

Yes, among morons and antisemites. Plenty of those about.

There is no comparable civilian effort in the world and for this reason, amongst many others, it has to be admired.

Why should we admire supporters of Nazi organisations HAMAS, Lukas?

You seem to know only the language of abuse and intransigence.

If, as you incorrectly write, there are plenty of 'morons and anti Semites' about this still does not explain organisations such as Jewish Boat to Gaza?

The opinion of the civilian movement to bring justice to Palestine is one that is also supported by many NGOs and governments and transnational institutions.

his still does not explain organisations such as Jewish Boat to Gaza?

There are also antisemites among ethnic Jews. A little minority fortunately. Most are not really Jewish but have some Jewish ancestry though.

The opinion of the civilian movement to bring justice to Palestine

You mean insecurity to Israeli civilians.

is one that is also supported by many NGOs and governments and transnational institutions.

NGOs and institutions with an antisemitic agenda such as Amnesy (not a typo) International, UNHRC, UNRWA, Islamist and genocidal governments, etc.
We know them.

Hamas is not a Nazi organisation. There really is no comparison between Hamas and the Nazis. Adopting the word 'Nazi' and 'anti Semite' against every opinion that you disagree with is a tactic that has passed its time. It's a dated tactic and does much to expose the paucity of your argument.

Apart from the simplicity of your approach (Hamas = Nazi = bad) it does not explain the occupation and exploitation of the West Bank where there are no Hamas 'Nazis'.

It could be that rather than being 'anti Semitic Jews' they are Jewish people who support the rights of the Palestinians and believe that an end to the occupation is in everyone’s interests. There are quite a few of them about in my experience.

Hamas is not a Nazi organisation. There really is no comparison between Hamas and the Nazis.

HAMAS is antisemitic and genocidal. It means Nazi to me.

does not explain the occupation and exploitation of the West Bank where there are no Hamas 'Nazis'.

You mean Judea Samaria, I guess. It is occupied because Arabs lost their aggression war in 1967.
There are HAMAS Nazis in Judea Samaria but Israel's presence prevent them from taking power as they did in Gaza.

It could be that rather than being 'anti Semitic Jews' they are Jewish people who support the rights of the Palestinians

No it could not. They are people who deny to Jews what they require for 'Palestinians' (Remember that there is no such people).

You support HAMAS, Lukas, don't you?

"Not Nazis"?

"Not Nazis"?

'Islamist and genocidal governments, etc'
support justice for the Palestinians.

Over 100 countries recognise Palestine as a state within the 1967 borders, most recently Brazil and Argentina.

US President Barack Obama has said he hoped the Palestinian mission would become a full UN member in 2011, alongside other nations.

So are the people in the above photos the "civil society" that you are forging links with, LukasMax?

Is MI6 aware that you keep such nice company?

Over 100 countries recognise Palestine as a state within the 1967 borders, most recently Brazil and Argentina.

That is not a good thing for these countries. You confuse right and popularity. A number of people believed the Earth was flat, some centuries ago.

Do you support HAMAS, Lukas?

I could post pictures of EDL members draped in Israeli flags. What does that say about Israel then?

Making generalisations is, sorry to say, a tactic employed by the Nazis.

I am not a Nazi and neither are those who support the rights of Palestinians. You need to move beyond name calling and associating everything that you disagree with as being ‘Nazi. The Nazis have gone. Move on.

Lukas: "Hamas is not a Nazi organisation. There really is no comparison between Hamas and the Nazis."

Lukas: "Hamas is not a Nazi organisation. There really is no comparison between Hamas and the Nazis."

Do I support Hamas?

Why would I support Hamas?

I support the rights of Palestinians to live without occupation. This does not mean that any Israeli has to suffer.
It just means bringing an end to the suffering of the Palestinians.
That's all.

And my original point was that my view is shared by many people and that the support for a free and contiguous Palestine is one proposed by many people from William Hague to the intrepid organisers of the Free Gaza movement.

Lukas: "Hamas is not a Nazi organisation. There really is no comparison between Hamas and the Nazis."

I support the rights of Palestinians to live without occupation.

Under HAMAS? Remember that they voted for that Nazi organisation. Do you still deny it is a Nazi organisation? Why do you support them?

It doesn’t work, posting pictures of whatever those pictures are of.

It suits your agenda which seems to be the continued imprisonment of over 1 million people who are guilty, in your view, of association.

That is a Nazi tactic.

And what about the West Bank? Where is Hamas in the West Bank?

SO why the occupation?

"The opinion of the civilian movement to bring justice to Palestine is one that is also supported by many NGOs and governments and transnational institutions"

And your point is?
There are plenty of antisemitic NGOs (War on Want, for example), governments (Venezuela ...) and transnational institutions (the UN ...).

A word to the idiot: there is no such thing as 'Palestine'.

"Over 100 countries recognise Palestine as a state within the 1967 borders"

There are no '1967 borders'. Parrotting this nonsense, even if also parrotted by the ignorant prat Obama, only proves that you are a moron.

"If, as you incorrectly write, there are plenty of 'morons and anti Semites' about"

So, you dispute that there are plenty of morons and antisemites? You really are an idiot.

"Adopting the word 'Nazi' and 'anti Semite' against every opinion that you disagree with is a tactic that has passed its time"

Since the Hamas charter calls explicitly for the genocide of Israeli Jews (and indeed, nowadays all Jews), it is antisemitic and Nazi by its own admission.

Oh, just piss off, Lukas, we really have enough antisemitic morons here already.

Bye. Got to go.

Grow up next time.

I am not a Nazi and neither are those who support the rights of Palestinians.

Why do you support a Nazi organisation, then? HAMAS is a Nazi organisation who support the rights of 'Palestinians' (until they got the power of course, and then they support only the members of their organisation).

Fuck off Lukas you horrible little Jew hating shit.

"And my original point was that my view is shared by many people and that the support for a free and contiguous Palestine is one proposed by many people from William Hague to the intrepid organisers of the Free Gaza movement."

ROFL. You mean, those Jew-hating scum?

I see that you think Israel has to agree to be cut in half. Do you really think Jews are that stupid, you pathetic asshole?

William Hague is an ignorant jerk.

"That is a Nazi tactic"

The only Nazi I see here is Lukas, the utter scum who by posting the above has now admitted, perhaps inadvertently, that he is a common or garden neo-Nazi.

It doesn’t work, posting pictures of whatever those pictures are of

They are of Nazi organisation named HAMAS, that you support obviously and deny, very stupidly, that they are a Nazi organisation.

It suits your agenda which seems to be the continued imprisonment of over 1 million people who are guilty, in your view, of association.

Remember that Egypt is the 'warden' of that 'prison'? Why do you single out Israel who supply that 'prison' with necessities while Egypt does much less?
'Palestinians' in Gaza are not guilty of association, they are guilty by voting HAMAS to power, as Germans were collectively guilty of voting NSDAP to power.
Therefore it was legitimate for UK to bomb Nazi Germany, including Dresden. No difference with Israel and Gaza.

And what about the West Bank? Where is Hamas in the West Bank?
SO why the occupation?

You mean Judea Samaria, I guess. It is occupied because some Arab countries lost their war of aggression in 1967.

Why don't you ask Jordan why they occupied Judea Samaria and East Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967? Why do you speak of occupation just now that Israel was victorious?

I could post pictures of EDL members draped in Israeli flags. What does that say about Israel then?

You mean images like this one?

Obviously, Nazis supporting other Nazis.
But our pictures were not of people supporting HAMAS. They were pictures of HAMAS itself, a Nazi organisation. Why do you support them by denying it, Lukas? Why are you the supporter of a Nazi organisation?

"I could post pictures of EDL members draped in Israeli flags"

Please do. It simply proves that both Israel and the EDL are standing up to Islamo-fascism, practically the only people who do so.

"Why are you the supporter of a Nazi organisation?"

Going out on a limb here ... hmmm ... maybe because he is an antisemite?

maybe because he is an antisemite?

Far-fetched!

Making generalisations is, sorry to say, a tactic employed by the Nazis.

That is a generalisation,

Lucas

Perhaps you are unaware that thousands of tons of essentials pass through crossing points from Israel each day .

This is in itself quite remarkable given the fact that the elected government of Gaza is absolute in its determination to see the annihilation of the state of Israel.

So we have the somewhat surreal spectacle of a nation state providing sustenance and essentials to a neighbour determined on its eradication .

Israel also provides about 80% of Gazas national grid gas fuel etc.

Israel draws a line at hostile NGOs attempting to make political statements .If the relief they are providing is that essential then why not take the fast track through Israels ports and border crossings .

Your post is a hollow political subterfuge and is better off on Viva Gaza or some other site.

Well said Harvey!

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