Lod demolitions revisited

5 May, 2011 - 12:54

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I see what you mean Joe

Watchful Iris

5 May, 2011 - 13:42

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What have you got against ducks?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374193/Couple-lose-battle-500-0...

5 May, 2011 - 13:50

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Iris.....

Watchful Iris

5 May, 2011 - 13:52

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Yes?

Robert Snodgrass

5 May, 2011 - 13:56

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"Can anyone name one real western style democracy where such things could happen at all let alone on a regular basis."

Please read this article from the Daily Mail, a house built illegally without planning permission and residents forced to leave as a result, house set to be demolished.

In democracies we have the rule of law which prevents people from doing as they please. I'm sorry if this annoys you but that's how it is pal.

5 May, 2011 - 14:33

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These 46,000 Arab miilionaire property developers have hidden their £500,000 houses inside barns ?

5 May, 2011 - 14:34

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And Iris.....never mind

5 May, 2011 - 14:34

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Robert, absolutely true. However, i am still waiting to see a definitive breakdown of how many Jewish owned illegally built properties have been demolished in Israel proper as opposed to non-Jewish owned illegally built properties

5 May, 2011 - 14:38

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Yep the Lod municipality looked at the long range weather forecast and decided to carry out the eviction on the wettest day of the year. Foolish nonsense.

Secondly provide the evidence that 46000 Arab homes are subject to demolition orders with the details of why they are to be demolished. I have seen claims of 13,000 houses facing demolition which due to the flagrant breach of building regulations is not hard to believe.

I have no intention of doing any research you made the allegations back them up with evidence - otherwise stop wasting time with wild and unsubstantiated allegations. I would draw your attention to the Daily Telegraph article regarding black crime in the UK I posted yesterday - it is unfortunate that you would support a group who wish to see the residents of Lod continue to live in substandard and often dangerous accomodation.

I suggest you read this http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2006/10/thrid-world-in-israel.html
to see why Lod is in such a pitiful state and that something has to be done to bring it in line with the rest of the country.The photographs are horrifying but you want to see this continue rather than allow the Local Government to remove these eyesores and provide better accomodation and infrastructure. By the way what is wrong in trying to encourage more civic minded citizens to live in Lod and so raise the quality of life for all its citizens?

5 May, 2011 - 14:42

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Joe ever thought that the Jewish population of the Jewish State are more likely to be the more law abiding section of the community - it certainly appears to be that way in the diaspora why should it not be so in Israel?

5 May, 2011 - 14:47

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Millis just to show Jews do not receive preferential treatment when it comes to planning permits: http://www.jpost.com/LocalIsrael/InJerusalem/Article.aspx?id=189284

5 May, 2011 - 14:52

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"Advis3r", you aren't suggesting that Jews are likely to be more law-abiding than non-Jews in Israel, are you? Oh, you are...Bit of a dodgy assumption that, and not a little racist, if I may say so.
Come back when you have proper comparative figures about house demolitions in Israel.

Robert Snodgrass

5 May, 2011 - 14:54

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"These 46,000 Arab millionaire property developers have hidden their £500,000 houses inside barns"

This clearly demonstrates how you practice double standards. With this comment you imply that it wis ok to knock down the house of the 'rich' people, but not to do the same to Arabs just because they are poor. The cases are exactly the same. Buildings built without the permission of the proper authority, and subsequently knocked down as a result. The financial situation of the defendant should not come into it.

This blatant demonstration of double standards is exactly what I expect from you; after all, you scream until you blue in the face if you think Israel is in violation of something, yet you remain completely silent when the same thing is perpetrated by Arabs. You are a laughing stock and I have no time for you.

5 May, 2011 - 15:12

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I knew you would accuse me of being racist only to be expected I suppose coming from someone who wants to deliver Israeli citizens into the hands of Hamas by giving them launching pads in Judea and samaria for the rockets they have acquired from Iran. You probably have never heard of the study of demographics and its application to criminology. So too the Telegraph must be racist for publishing something like this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-...

too. If so why don't you report them.
I'll come back whenever I want - I have told I have no intention of providing figures - you made the allegations back them up.
Crime figures for Israel here note
http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/statistical/crime08e.pdf

5 May, 2011 - 15:21

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One of the reasons I don't buy the Getalarf, "Advis3r", is its little Englander attitude towards things.
Now, where's those comparative figures about house demolitions in Israel, Mr multiple aliases?

5 May, 2011 - 15:33

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Seems to me that the people leading Israel into the hands of Hamas are those who persist in wanting Israel to rule in the occupied territories for ever. Meharsayich vemecharvayich.

5 May, 2011 - 15:54

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If you would have actually read the article you would have read this:

One prominent black politician said that the black community needed to face up to major challenges.

Shaun Bailey, a Tory election candidate in London and a charity worker, said: “The black community has to look at itself and say that, at the end of the day, these figures suggest we are heavily – not casually – involved in violent crime. We are also involved in crime against ourselves – and we regularly attack each other.”

Note a Black politician said that. But of course any article etc which does not accord with your world view must be denigrated.

Other than that you are becoming boring. I won't supply figures to support your allegations even if they existed. All I can say it is a pretty poor show that you and Otway support the status quo in Lod i.e. that Arabs must be consigned to substandard living accomodation built 50 years ago and do not believe that these so-called pro-Arab NGOs should spend more time educating than stirring up racial tensions.

5 May, 2011 - 15:59

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"Seems to me that the people leading Israel into the hands of Hamas are those who persist in wanting Israel to rule in the occupied territories for ever"

I see Millis not only do you want Hamas to be able to fire their Iranian supplied projectiles from Gaza but you want to enable them to do so from Judea and samaria too. Since you do not live here I do not see why you should be entitled to tell us what to do and put us in harm's way just to salve your consciences and not spoil your Hampstead dinner parties.

5 May, 2011 - 16:04

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Well you don't read the telegraph perhaps you read the Times which said about your hairbrained scheme to withdraw in favour of Hamas:

"In its current form, Hamas is nobody’s partner for peace in the Middle East. An extremist, Islamist, anti-Semitic organisation part-funded by Iran, it holds in its charter the ideal of a Palestinian state from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. It continues to allow rocket attacks on Israel and sponsor suicide assaults. Last September, when Israel and Palestinians began their first direct peace talks in two years, Hamas attempted to disrupt them with an attack that killed four Israelis, one of them a pregnant woman. Stability in the West Bank has come at the price of Fatah’s relentless refusal to tolerate its activities. History does not suggest a peaceable outcome should the jails open and hundreds of militants emerge.

No responsible international government can engage with an administration that includes Hamas without the gravest of reservations."

5 May, 2011 - 16:10

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I wonder, "Advis3r", in your oh-so-heartfelt altruism towards your fellow non-Jewish citizens if you would favour them building houses in Jewish cities. And that their planning applications will be as streamlined as those of their fellow Jewish citizens?
Who, precisely, is stirring up racial tensions with claims that Israeli Jews tend to be more law-abiding than non-Jews? Maybe the Israeli Police have a problem with institutional racism? Like the Met had up till the 70s and 80s?
And as for the Black Tory politician, he sees himself as British. He's integrated and he believes in a shared future for all this country's citizens. You know, Britain as a state for all its citizens? Do you have a problem with Israel being a state for all its citizens?
Oh and about those comparative figures you seem not to want to give us...For fear of embarrassment, perhaps?

5 May, 2011 - 16:13

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"Advis3r", you and your aliases live in Israel like I live in Hampstead or go to Hampstead dinner parties. But if you want to have a country from the river to the sea that is neither Jewish nor democratic, so be it.

5 May, 2011 - 16:21

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"with claims that Israeli Jews tend to be more law-abiding than non-Jews" See I posted the Israeli crime figures and of course you did not check them - onviously facts are not your strong point so you did not read them. If you had you would have seen that whilst the number of Jewish convicted criminals is about the same as Arabs this has to be seen in the context of the relative sizes of the two communities. But of corse why let facts get in the way of your Israel bashing? I have no problem with Israsel as a Jewish Democratic state being a state for all its citizens and if people want to live in Israel then they must live in accordance with the laws of the country and rspect its ethos.
If you believe the figures exist find them. I would not be embarrased if they showed that a lesser number of Jewish homes were slated for demolition. Jews as a people are more law abiding wherever they live and perhaps even more law abiding in their own country- why do you dispute that fact?

5 May, 2011 - 16:22

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If you are in Israel and are orthodox as you claim, "advis3r", why did your post last Saturday appear before motzei shabbat Kedoshim in Israel? A crinkle in the space-time continuum perhaps?

5 May, 2011 - 16:24

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Israel bashing? But you are the one whose beliefs will lead to its demise. Tough being a one-stater isnt it?

5 May, 2011 - 16:25

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I warned you not to get personal but obviously because you are again on the losing side of an argument you get personal. Once and for all I live in israel if you have trouble processing that information you should see a specialist but stop harrassing me.

5 May, 2011 - 16:25

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Now who else used "see" as an emphasis when they got found out? Hmmmm...

5 May, 2011 - 16:26

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Dimwhit the time here in Israel is now 7:40 look at the time on the side of my post - what a dummy!

5 May, 2011 - 16:28

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I didn't get personal. You are the one casting asperations and you've been rumbled. Well and truly done up like a kipper. Hoisted by your own petard. A bit like bilaam, actually.

5 May, 2011 - 16:32

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I know what the time is in Israel. But your blog last Saturday night. Lucky for you there ain't no time log on blogs. Now who's getting personal?

5 May, 2011 - 16:34

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The time log is only for below the line posting, not main blogs

5 May, 2011 - 16:54

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You have lost it and are on dangerous ground! I have told you I live in Israel and I am orthodox thus I did not post on the Sabbath - that is the last time I will dignify your outrageous claims that I am a liar with a response. The next time I will seek your ban from this website.

5 May, 2011 - 16:56

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Seek what you like. You've been rumbled, boyo