What a Shower ...............
 | By Jonathan Hoffman
February 9, 2011 | Share |
Last week after Holocaust Memorial Day William Hague said that he was determined to encourage a “wider public understanding of the history of 1933-1945, and the lessons to be drawn”
On Saturday in Munich David Cameron said: “We won’t defeat terrorism simply by the actions we take outside our borders. Europe needs to wake up to what is happening in our own countries” and called for “muscular liberalism”.
But today in The Times Hague - incredibly - called Bibi “belligerent” for saying “we must be prepared for any outcome in Egypt, by reinforcing the might of the State of Israel.”
Conclusions:
1. The left hand of this government does not know what the right hand is doing; there is no cooordination bwteen the Conservative Prime Minister and the Conservative Foreign Secretary, let alone between the Conservative and LibDem Ministers.
2. For Hague it’s OK to remember dead Jews, but not OK for live Jews to vow to defend themselves.
3. Would Hague have called Winston Churchill "belligerent" for saying this?:
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
COMMENTS
9 February, 2011 - 18:26 Rate this: -3 points | Congratulations Mr. Hague and also Mr. Fox. Israel you are surrounded now and you will have to start listening and changing for the better. |
9 February, 2011 - 19:16 Rate this: 4 points | simoneq, "Israel is surrounded". You're quite right - by genocidal and anti-Semitic dictatorships and police states - states which you, in your brazen Jew-hatred, support. Why is this hateful idiot allowed to post on the Jewish Chronicle website? |
jose (not verified) 9 February, 2011 - 19:42 Rate this: 1 point | As the Arab regimes are crumbling, simoneq boasts that Israel is isolated! If that means Israel's economy is rather good and resisted successfully to the world crisis, while its neighbours failed to do so and now pay the price, then simoneq maybe right. In any other case, she is just making a fool of herself. There is an Arab tendency to announce victory when they are on the verge of a total defeat. We saw that during five days in the Six-Days War. The sixth day came as a surprise! We saw that during the second Gulf War, when Saddam Hussein and his ministers were announcing the "terrible defeats" of coalition troups while they were arriving in Bagdad. And of course, during the Second Lebanon War, during the Cast Lead operation, etc. |
jose (not verified) 9 February, 2011 - 19:43 Rate this: 1 point | I think it is time for Hague to resign and join the LibDem Friends of Israel group! He seems to be ready for that! |
9 February, 2011 - 20:16 Rate this: -2 points | JoseAnth are you not way over due to take a day off ? Both Israel and the blog site will survive without you for that long. Trust me. |
jose (not verified) 9 February, 2011 - 20:20 Rate this: 2 points |
Where is JoseAnth, simonsam? Show us your paranoia again, please!
Why should anyone trust an antisemite? |
9 February, 2011 - 20:24 Rate this: 3 points | simoneq talks about Israel being surrounded? Indeed, Israel is surrounded, as amber puts it by "genocidal, anti-semitic" dictatorships, as the only democracy in the near and middle east, Israel is indeed surrounded and stands out as a beacon of light, a moral example, and an example of how an economy can thrive when "surrounded" by ant-semitic dictators who are doing everything in their power to seek Israel's destruction. |
9 February, 2011 - 20:28 Rate this: 4 points | As for Billy Hague what can we say, thankfully the UK no longer features as a world power, with no air force to speak of, (the Harrier jump jets have been scrapped with the euro-fighter replacements not yet ready), the last aircraft carrier The Ark Royal has been scrapped with the next generation of 'carriers not yet ready, (and when they are they will be taking to the high seas without aircraft), so, Billy Hague can say what he likes, his views are of no importance. |
9 February, 2011 - 20:48 Rate this: -4 points | William Hague is the foreign minister of the UK. Amber and Jonathan and Jon etc you are all little bloggers that no one is listening to! |
jose (not verified) 9 February, 2011 - 21:06 Rate this: 1 point |
Well technically, you do not vote in UK but so do some of the people you named. So you are even less important to UK.
Millions hear Hague and zap to another channel. Hague's influence is zero. He might as well resign. No one ever believed he was a friend of Israel as he pretended to be.
Remember that numbers is not enough to win an argument, simoneq. Germans voted for Nazi party. 'Palestinians' voted for Nazi HAMAS. Iran voted for Ahmadinejad (well, officially at least!). Egypt voted for Mubarak (some time ago). Tunisians voted for Ben Ali, too. Where are these dictators now? And how long will they last? |
9 February, 2011 - 21:17 Rate this: -4 points | Jonathan, didn't you urge people to vote Tory in May? |
jose (not verified) 9 February, 2011 - 21:35 Rate this: 3 points |
Charybdis or Scylla, Milligramsam. Pestence or cholera. |
9 February, 2011 - 23:19 Rate this: 2 points | "didn't you urge people to vote Tory in May?" Yes and they are still a lot better despite Hague. Just read Cameron's Munich speech and look at the Police Bill. |
9 February, 2011 - 23:25 Rate this: 2 points | simoneq, your assertion that millions listen to Hague and are influenced is a bit silly, isn't it? simoneq, aren't you just a blogger too? What a stupid comment - but then as an anti-Israel bigot, you aren't prone to reason. |
9 February, 2011 - 23:27 Rate this: 2 points | simoneq, I would also venture to say that the UK's level of influence in the Middle East has never been lower - it really isn't a player anymore. |
10 February, 2011 - 08:20 Rate this: -3 points | For all the Munich speech, with which it is hard to disagree, isn't it also true, Jonathan, that Cameron described Gaza as a prison camp and Jerusalem as "occupied"? As for the Police Bill, I'll give you good odds that it will either be amended or some smart lawyer will find a loophole. |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 08:46 Rate this: 0 points |
Nobody's perfect! That was before he was named PM. How could he get all those Muslim votes, otherwise? |
10 February, 2011 - 10:08 Rate this: 0 points | I agree with you Amber on the issue of Britain's influence in the Middle East. It has always punched above its weight. |
10 February, 2011 - 10:58 Rate this: 3 points | Yes Cameron did call Gaza a "prison camp", in a speech in Ankara in July. @Jose, it was after he became PM, not before. My understanding (from a good source) is that this phrase was inserted into the speech at the last minute, after pressure from Obama (remember they were pressurising Israel to renew the settlement freeze at that time). The phrase was not in the speech as drafted for Cameron by the Foreign Office. |
10 February, 2011 - 11:01 Rate this: 2 points | http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6686665/a-monstrous-inversion... Melanie is very good on Hague's "monstrous inversion" and also on the comments yesterday on BBC Radio 4 "Today" by our former man in Tel Aviv (then Riyadh), Sir Sherard Constipated-Bowels. |
10 February, 2011 - 11:03 Rate this: -2 points | Jonathan, you aren't suggesting that the Prime Minister of Britain is a poodle, are you? |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 11:15 Rate this: 2 points |
I stand corrected. |
10 February, 2011 - 11:15 Rate this: 2 points | I doubt Hague is a member of CFI. Remember that he described Israel's 2006 attack on Lebanon – in retaliation for a Hezbollah raid – as "disproportionate". |
10 February, 2011 - 11:32 Rate this: -2 points | Jonathan, he certainly was a CFI member when as party leader he was taken around Israel, accompanied by yours truly and other correspondents, with Stuart Pollak, who told us how pro-Israel Hague was. Often. |
10 February, 2011 - 12:15 Rate this: 3 points | I am pretty confident that as Foreign Secretary he would have felt obliged to resign from all such organisations, since he would need to be seen to be 'impartial'. It is likely that the rules would oblige him to resign. |
10 February, 2011 - 12:25 Rate this: 2 points | It doesn't really matter anyway, since his personal opinions are largely irrelevant in his position of foreign minister. He speaks for HM Government, not for himself. I also wonder if it's mere coincidence that last week's Spectator accused the foreign office of lacking any policies! |
10 February, 2011 - 12:26 Rate this: -2 points | Quite possibly true, Jonathan. Bout both he and Cameron were CFI members. |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 12:34 Rate this: 3 points |
Cheap words. Judge people on their deeds, Milligramsam. |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 12:54 Rate this: 3 points | Poor Milligramsam, the loss of his backup neuron makes him a bit repetitive |
10 February, 2011 - 13:01 Rate this: 2 points | I do find it strange that Hague accuses Netanyahu of "belligerence" when the Israeli government has been far more diplomatic and professional in its words wrt the Egypt situation than the White House! King Abdullah even went so far as to complain to Obama that he was "humiliating" Mubarak. A concerned and worried population need reassurance and leadership from their elected politicians, and that's what Netanyahu gave them. |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 13:16 Rate this: 3 points | Unfortunately, Matt, Obama has shown quite a number of times that he is totally clueless about foreign affairs, even if Joe Biden isn't. |
10 February, 2011 - 16:13 Rate this: -3 points | JoseAnth you really should take a day off from all this once in a while. Serial, obsessive blogging is really scary. It would be so even if if it were serial , obsessive sense. Serial, obsessive drivel is doubly scary. It wouldn't fix your emotional health problem , but it might delay the final breakdown for a little while. |
10 February, 2011 - 16:39 Rate this: 2 points | Out of interest can anyone tell me when was the last time Israel publicly criticised any policies of the British government? E.g. with regards to Ulster, or our involvement in Iraq (which directly affects them) or Afghanistan? Answer: They haven't. Ever. Why? Because when they have concerns they say it in private. That's how diplomacy is supposed to work between allies. We should afford them the same respect. It's unprofessional, and using Israel as a political football is not on. |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 16:39 Rate this: 4 points |
Where is JoseAnth, simonsam? Is he a Posner too?
Who cares for you one-liners, one-neuroner Myopic? |
jose (not verified) 10 February, 2011 - 16:42 Rate this: 2 points | Matt, this diplomatic business works also for non-allies, provided they have normal diplomatic relationships with us. Any criticism of Egypt regime lately? Is a dictatorship less likely to be criticised than a democracy, or what? |
10 February, 2011 - 16:44 Rate this: 0 points | However, in defence of the Conservative party, this is worth a read over at Conservative Home: http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2011/02/charles-tannock-mep-a... |
10 February, 2011 - 16:45 Rate this: 0 points | Jose: I'm also waiting for criticism of Spain for refusing to talk to the Basques, and the US for refusing entry to Mexicans into Texas. |
11 February, 2011 - 17:01 Rate this: 1 point | "But today in The Times Hague - incredibly - called Bibi “belligerent” for saying “we must be prepared for any outcome in Egypt, by reinforcing the might of the State of Israel.” Mea culpa. At one time I believed this pathetic adolescent tosser Hague had an IQ above room temperature. |
11 February, 2011 - 17:03 Rate this: 1 point | "William Hague is the foreign minister of the UK" He is not. Check his title, illiterate antisemitic tosser. |
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mattpryor
9 February, 2011 - 18:22
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Quite right. In fact I would go further and say that the left hand of this government doesn't even know what the left hand is doing, the right hand may as well be operating in a different universe.
Melanie Phillips is very succinct wrt this issue:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6684255/with-friends-like-thi...
Also Liam Fox has given Iran a big helping hand today by reinforcing the fictional link between an Arab-Israel settlement and stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions.
And these are the people we're relying on to keep us safe? God help us.