The Time to Act against The Guardian is Now!

If you want to act against the guardian, you have also to act against BSkyB and other Murdoch enterprises for allowing Press TV a platform.

"Whataboutery" is a false argument.

Failing to campaign against every wrong in the world does not disqualify one from campaigning against one wrong.

Campaign against Murdoch to your heart's content.

No, Jonathan. If you boycott the Guardian for giving a platform to Hamsniks, then you shoul call for a boycott against Murdoch's BSkyB and all his enterprises for giving a platform to Iran's Press TV. Double standards. But then, you think Murdoch is pro-Israel.

The thing is, Jonathan, what really gets you is despite all your best efforts, your view isn't actually the majority view in the community, is it? But it's OK, even fringe, marginal and marginalised views are acceptable in a pluralistic and tolerant society such as the UK Jewish community.

In America a while ago Murdoch made as robustly pro-Israel a speech as it's possible to get, Joe.

That maybe the case, Yvetta, but actions speak far louder than words. And one of Murdoch's actions is to allow Press TV a platform in the UK, with its propaganda from Galloway, Ridgley et al.

Why don't you get your "pro-Zion" mates to boycott BSkyB Millis?

Millis, what a silly argument. Murdoch is indeed supportive of Israel. The presence of Press TV on Sky is disgraceful - but nonetheless themore supportive media outlets from Murdoch outweigh it. On the other hand, there is absolutely no redeeming features about the Guardian. It is consistently and rabidly hostile to Israel. I believe it is in fact anti-Semitic.

Also, what is the influence of Press TV, when compared to the Guardian?

Very simple, Pryor. I -- and I suspect Pro-Zion, too -- am against boycotts. If I am against the boycott of Israeli academoics, politicians and produce, then how can I be in favour of a boycott against a newspaper or even an Ayatollah-run TV outfit?

Well that's not true is it, because you told us that you personally won't buy settlement products.

PS Millis, you've forgotten to mark down a post of mine... you're slacking.

Settlement products aren't Israeli, Pryor. If and when the settlements come under Israeli civil jurisdiction (which they are not now) under a deal with the Palestinians, I'll change my purchasing habits, but until then...

I don't mark things up or down. It's a stupid system.

So you boycott them then. So you're lying once again. And not only do you happily boycott ISRAELI goods, but you condemn Jonathan for boycotting the Guardian. Strange.

Is this typical behaviour of "critical friends" of Israel?

Oh wait, my mistake it wasn't YOU that told us they won't buy settlement goods - it was a snivelling hateful anti-Semite by the name of telegramsam. What a mistake to make, my apologies!!

This is probably the biggest laugh I have had in my entire life. An inconsequential, rabid hysteric takes on The Guardian. Can you just imagine Rusbridger and his mates rushing off to slash their wrists ?

I bet they haven't been so scared since The Guardian reject Mad Mel called them evil. Grow up Yonathan ffs , before it's too late.

But they aren't Israeli products, pryor, because they are not from Israel. Even the most ultra-nationalist of Israeli governments has declared the west bank part of Israel. And the settlements therein are subject to Israeli defence ministry controls, not the civilian authorities.
Anyway, I'm not calling for a boycott of settler produce.

Obviously, *has not declared...*

simonson, being the anti-Semite that you are, it is tiresome and unsurprising that you run to defend this publication. In fact, you are wrong. Matt Seaton, editor of Cif, frequently goes to Cifwatch to try to defend the indefensible - and Rusbridger wrote a cringeworthy defence of his paper's stance in a JC column. if they didn't care about covering their tracks, why would they bother?

Millis - on the wrong side again. You never take on the bigots.

simonson - if this really is the best laugh you've had in your entire life, you need to get out more.

I mean, seriously.

So much hot air from Millis ... you could power a whole fleet of airships with it.
Boycott anything you like, Millis; but the Guardian has been a standard bearer of British antisemitism for decades, and this needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

"your view isn't actually the majority view in the community, is it?"

That's the reason you are marked down to such an extent, is it?

"But it's OK, even fringe, marginal and marginalised views are acceptable in a pluralistic and tolerant society such as the UK Jewish community."

Pompous git.

"If I am against the boycott of Israeli academoics, politicians and produce, then how can I be in favour of a boycott against a newspaper or even an Ayatollah-run TV outfit?"

As dumb as it gets.
Boycotting a newspaper is not even remotely like boycotting a whole country.

Take a deep breath, sweets. You're getting a bit wobbly.

Ah, Iris the Moronic Dregs has arrived, on a mission to mark down every sane comment and then screech like a demented banshee about others getting wobbly.

Now, now....you know what happens when you get over-emotional. All those noises in your head aren't real...just take your tablet and they'll go away.

Millis, do you accept that the Guardian is more influential than Press TV?

iris - you are simply irrelevant.

Oh dear. Now you've gotten Amber all upset too. She's trying to use big words she doesn't understand the meaning of. Abuse is always relevant.

No point trying to get any sort of admission of being wrong out of Millis amber, he just repeats himself when cornered then comes back the next day to spout more nonsense.

As for Iris (s)he's at best an irrelevance, at worst a distraction.

Must be contagious.

Amber, I would estimate that press tv has more viewers than the guardian has readers. But who's more influential, neither I nor you can say.

No, but I'm sure Posner can....

I have come to the conclusion that Iris is clinically insane. He posts above prove this conclusively.

There, there....you're over-emotional again. Take another tablet, dear.

iris - either say something substantive or het a life

Woopsie....pass Amber a tablet....she's having another wobbler too.

Woopsie....pass Amber a tablet....she's having another wobbler too.

In summary.....A handful of rabid, hysterical blog site freaks are not going to hurt The Guardian.

Get real, if only for a single solitary moment.

Millis - yes we can. Thr Guardian may be losing readership in its hard copy - but the redership consists of the opinion formers - notably, in academia and the media - people who don't watch Press TV. In addition, the Guardian's website of hate does untold damage to the Jews internationally.

simonson, what makes them "freaks"? And perhaps you could point to an example of "hysteria"?

iris - it says a lot about you that you think the word "irrelevant" is long.

Amber, Press TV also has a website that propagates the same nonsense as its TV channel. I've yet to meet any "opinion former" who has been influenced by the Guardian. Still, if you need a bogeyperson...

Well, I knew you worked very hard on that one, just like you are now.

Keeps her off the street corners. I mean the stage.

"I've yet to meet any "opinion former" who has been influenced by the Guardian"

Then you need to get out more. Almost the entire so-called 'left-liberal intelligentsia', an oxymoron if I ever saw one (it's anti-liberal and anything but intelligent), read the Guardian and buy its screeching antisemitic agenda.

"simonson, what makes them "freaks"?"

Well, simonson for one is a rabid freak. So is Iris. So is Millis.

"And perhaps you could point to an example of "hysteria"?"

Anything Simonson dribbles.
Anything Iris dribbles.
Anything Millis dribbles.

What a fool you are Yonathan. The people that read The Guardian do so for the same reason people read the Daily Express. That is , because they already share a similar perspective and for affirmation. Duh. And you were once entrusted wirh the care of impressionable young minds ? Thank goodness it was a long time ago.

Millis - if you really believe that, then you are more clueless than I thought.

The Guardian not influential? Go to the BBC and see what is on every desk.

simonson - in this case, affirmation that all the world's ills are the fault of the Jews.

The paper is obsessed with Jews and Israel. You can even research the number of articles about, say, Burma or Darfur or Syria, then compare to Israel.

It helps if you know what you're talking about.