Taking "Independent" to Press Complaints Commission


By Jonathan Hoffman
June 28, 2012
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http://cifwatch.com/2012/06/25/blogger-at-the-independent-evokes-nazi-an...

On June 22nd Richard Sudan, a blogger at "The Independent" newspaper's online blog, published a piece saying that Israel’s Interior Minister, Eli Yishai, had said “Israel is for the white man”, thus conveying to the readers of his blog the impression that Israel’s Interior Minister is a racist.

The quote was false (there is a whole industry of quote-twisting among the Israel haters). It was the result of an appalling twisting of what Yishai did say.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/did-haaretz-turn-eli-yisha...

Yishai said:

Most of the people who come here are Muslims who think this country doesn’t belong to us, to the white man. Some of them have said so openly on television

Yishaid was not stating his own view but was putting the view of others, some of whom (he said) had declared this view on TV.

I complained about the misquote to The Independent. They agreed to amend the opening paragraph of the blog posting “so that it contains the full quote”. However they did not include the sentence “Some of them have said so openly on television”. Neither did they change the misleading title of the article, nor the misleading summary of the quote in the closing sentence of the article:

The perception of an emerging ethnic cleansing policy ensuring that Israel remains ‘For the white man’ will evidently continue.

I am therefore taking The Independent to the Press Complaints Commission. I will blog the result here

COMMENTS

joemillis1959

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 14:25

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The interview was in Maariv and Yishai, who is trying to divert attention away from his incompetence by bullying refugees, said thus: “Most of the people arriving here are Muslims who think the country doesn't belong to us, the white man.”
Perhaps The Jewish Press has an agenda.


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 14:31

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Jonathan could you maybe outline to us your general attitude to people misquoting people ?


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 15:23

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Koff

Hoff's addiction to abject failure never ceases to amaze.


happygoldfish

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 16:37

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jonathan, you are failing to mention the most important omission in richard sudan's translation (which he seems to have taken directly from ha'aretz) …

interior minister yishai included (and sudan and ha'aretz did not) the word "בכלל" ("at all") …
"Most of the people coming here are Moslems thinking the land doesn’t belong to us at all, to the white man."

in other words: allegedly (see just below) a few refugees, on television, have not just said that israel shouldn't be a "white" state, but have implied that "white" people shouldn't be in israel at all

jonathan, i agree that there is certainly a lot to deplore in richard sudan's article

however

i] have any moslem refugees said on television that "this land doesn't belong to the white man at all"?

if no, then yishai has no excuse for mentioning it at all

if yes, then (being television) there's obviously a record of it, so let's see it

ii] the interior minister, at best, has stigmatised a whole group of people by using against them the words of just a few (who are probably wholly unrepresentative), to support his campaign to use “all the tools to expel the foreigners, until not one infiltrator remains.”

is that not racism?


zaheerayin

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 17:17

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How long does this PCC process take? I'm on the edge of my chair.


joshua789

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 09:25

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Jonathan,

Perhaps you should 'investigate’ the reported use of this type of language which is offensive and has strong hints of far right fascism about it:

"Southern Tel Aviv has become the country's garbage can, I'd suggest to all those bleeding hearts who speak out against me to take a few dozen infiltrators and house them in their neighbourhoods. Let them see them every day; let their children try to play in the playgrounds they're in".

Or

"The infiltrators are going to reach the promised land but they aren't going to see it at all, only through bars"

I don't know many politicians (other then the Le Pens and Mussolini Jnrs) in democracies who use words like 'infiltrators' to describe immigrants.


joshua789

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 09:27

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Oh, and Jonathan, while you are at it could you let us know what your vision is on the question of 'infiltrators'?


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 11:14

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I have seen Hoffie accused of a lot of things but being a visionary isn't one of them.


joshua789

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 11:26

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Perhaps one day he will surprise us and actually post an opinion rather then just attempt to delegitimise anyone he disagrees with.
That would, of course, take vision. And the courage to reveal his views - which I am sure we can all guess.


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 11:44

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huh huh


joshua789

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 12:05

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Jonathan's tactic is quite simple: Instead of discussing (or indeed lamenting) the far right hate language used by Israeli Politicians to dehumanise Black people, Muslims and Palestinians, what Jonathan does is dismiss the media for reporting it.

Why not be indignant about the use of the word 'infiltrators'?

Surely that sort of language belongs to another totalitarian era?


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 12:18

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Well I could say a great deal here but it would only be moderated out. Joshua you know, I know, and the task is to maximise the number of people that know.


Advis3r

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:01

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Just for Joshua's benefit the South Sudanese who have illegally infiltrated Israel's border with Egypt many of whom for economic reasons rather than escaping violence are not immigrants. Having been granted temporary refuge in Israel many of them being saved from certain death at the hands of the Egyptians who are not so hospitable as Israel some of them decided to repay that kindness by breaking into houses, threatening Israeli citizens with violence and raping some of our children. As such they are unwelcome guests. I am quite sure you would be the first to run to the police if an unwelcome guest in your house starting doing the same. However when it's Israel exercising its sovereign rights it is called racism but when it is Britain, France Italy et al keeping out illlegal immigrants or asylum seekers from Africa it is all perfectly legal and understandable.


Hannah

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:11

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Advis3r misses the point, not willfully, I hope. This isn't about immigration control. It is about grotesque racist language used by senior politicians, ministers even. Any politician in such a position in Western Europe or the US would be finished, instantly. No questions asked.


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:48

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I know what the post was about but see Joshua who claims Israeli Ministers are racists because they "... use words like 'infiltrators' to describe immigrants". These are not immigrants - a definition of immigration is the act of foreigners passing or coming into a country for the purpose of permanent residence. These are infiltrators being "one who gains entrance surreptitiously".
I note that the Minister claims he was misquoted and that his words were juxtaposed. In fact he gave an interview to Ynet on the subject: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4240666,00.html
I suggest you read it before screaming "racist" on the say so of someone with agenda.
Now that you have vented on what you call "grotesque racist language used by senior politicians" I trust you will also be writing to Jeremy Corbyn Baroness Tonge and Gerald Kaufman about their racist jibes against Jews and Israel. They do not appear to be "finished, instantly".
As to the point HappyGoldfish was making she too has taken his words out of context. Most of the Sudanese entering the country are Muslims. Muslims per se do not recognise the Jewish People's right to the Land of Israel, none of the Sudanese need to say anything. As a corollary most Britains consider themselves Christian. Christians per se believe that Christ rose from the dead does every British Christian have to say that to make it true?


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 13:14

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What ?


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 14:00

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המבין יבין...הטיפש ינחש...והאידיוט לא יעשה כלום אלא כותב
what?


joshua789

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 15:35

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'I am quite sure you would be the first to run to the police if an unwelcome guest in your house starting doing the same'.

Does this logic extend to Palestinians?
When their mosques are covered in graffiti, their trees burnt, and their homes demolished, their land stolen?

Also labelling immigrants as perpetrators of crime is a fascist tactic. All fascists have done it over the years. It's the most basic, ignorant tactic there is.


joshua789

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 15:36

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Can you quote one instance of Jeremy Corbyn making 'racist jibes against Jews and Israel'?


suzanna

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 16:30

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'Neither did they change the misleading title of the article, nor the misleading summary of the quote in the closing sentence of the article'

What was that blog with the title about the Muslim Brotherhood and boycotting Israeli products?

Can someone dig it up again so we can all relish once again 'the misleading title of the article' and the 'misleading summary of the quote'


Harvey

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 16:39

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Joshua
You keep labelling these people as immigrants .
In reality they are illegal immigrants ie they cross the border illegally .
Some are fleeing from conflict and may also be described as asylum seekers .
The vast majority are seeking better lives and living conditions as word of mouth has described Israel as providing care and sanctuary . They mainly originate from the Sudan and Ethiopia and on their arduous journey to Israel they are refused entry in Arab states . In fact many are murdered , robbed and sexually assaulted on the way by their handlers .
Israel is indeed a sanctuary for these poor benighted souls . They receive medical care and housing and are looked after .
That does not make them legal immigrants and it does not give them the right to settle in Israel even though the vast majority have been allowed to remain .
Every nation has laws against illegal immigrants no less so the Uk who have a constant struggle with their own illegals attempting to gain entry from France via Sangatte .
It's always genuinely important to address humanitarian issues but as is usually the case , Israel is well down the list of states which abuse human rights .
Your first port of call should be the 22 Arab states who regard black Africans as less than human and see them as no more than slave labour at best and target practice at its worst .


zaheerayin

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:08

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The legal status of the people in question is entirely irrelevant here. No one is disputing that as a sovereign state, Israel is entitled to determine its immigration policy. The issue is the disgraceful racist language employed by politicians at or near ministerial level. As Hannah points out, this would not be tolerated for a moment in any civilised democracy that you could care to name. That, in Israel, they can speak this way with seeming impunity, would seem to speak volumes.


Mary in Brighton

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:12

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Harvey cherub, your inability to grasp the above point speaks volumes too.


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:14

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koff


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:21

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Sir Gerald Kaufman:

"Just as Lord Ashcroft owns most of the Conservative Party, right-wing Jewish millionaires own the rest"

zaheeryin

"this would not be tolerated for a moment in any civilised democracy that you could care to name"

Except obviously if you say it against the Jews in the UK. Mr Kaufman still sits in Parliament while he out does even the BNP!


Jon.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:27

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Hey Advi3r. Whats your point? Because other people do it, its ok?


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:31

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What ?


zaheerayin

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:34

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Gerald Kaufman is not a government minister. He is an MP among over 600, who between them, say all kinds of crazy things. In any case, even if Kaufman did say that, it hardly comes anywhere near what we are discussing.


joemillis1959

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:36

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A couple of points of information: the majority of the asylum seekers and refugees (not infiltrators or cancer, as some Knesset Members and ministers would have them) are from Eritrea. They are largely Christians, not Muslims, fleeing persecution in their homelands.
Leviticus 19:33-34 stipulates: "If a foreigner stays with you in your land, do not do him wrong.
Rather, treat the foreigner staying with you like the native-born among you — you are to love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt; I am Adoshem your God."
This commandment, in the parasha called Kedoshim which starts: "You people are to be holy because I, Adoshem your God, am holy", is repeated often in the Torah. More times, in fact, than any other commandment.
Perhaps those who seek to excuse the abyssmal comments of certain MKs and ministers - or choose to ignore them - would like to remember that. After all, as Zeev Zabotinski wrote: "Ki sheket hoo refesh" ("because silence is mud").


zaheerayin

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:37

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Thanks, Joe. Do you think they get it?


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:40

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I have to say, reading the same old drivel day in and day out from these idiots, had got really tedious. However, after a bit of a break, it can be quite fun again.


Mary in Brighton

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:43

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Sir Gerald Kaufman:
"Just as Lord Ashcroft owns most of the Conservative Party, right-wing Jewish millionaires own the rest"

Advis3r, is that really the best you can come up with?


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:46

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Joe I see when it suits you you quote the Bible. So what about the passages that detail that G-d promised the Holy Land including Judea and Samaria to the Jewish People?
You don't live here and yet you would have us take in anybody who sought asylum in Israel. Obviously since you only quote the Bible when it suits you this would be so that Israel would cease to be a State of the Jewish People because if the present situation was allowed to continue unimpeded and say the Eritreans numbered 250,000 or more they would as a group claim citizenship and in a generation the who;e demographics of the country would change.
But as someone who misuses the Bible I am sure that will not trouble you at all.


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:48

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Mary change the word Jews to Black/Asian? My goodness you would be calling for his head.

I mentioned Kaufman because he is a Jew. I could have chosen Jenny Tonge but then I know she's your pin-up girl!


KatieCarslake

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:49

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Advis3r, I know I have said this before but the thought keeps occurring. You do so remind me of the little Dutch boy, Peter and his problems with the dike.


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:53

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Zaheeryin of course it comes no where near because he talks about Jews not Blacks and obviously you have no problem with people making anti-Semitic jibes.

You said "disgraceful racist language employed by politicians at or near ministerial level". Tell me what Yishai said that was "disgraceful racist language" as compared to Kaufman saying in Parliament "Here come the Jews"?
He is a member of Parliament an anti-Semitic comment deserves censure and expulsion.


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:55

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Katie if you have nothing intelligent to add why don't you swim in the dyke? Ad hominem is just your level.


joemillis1959

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:55

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Advis3r, Not sure why you came up with 250,000 Eritreans when the figure of all the refugees/asylum seekers is no more than 40,000. People who excuse or ignore comments such as "cancer" and "infiltrators" - which is what we were talking about - tend also to inflate greatly the number of the "others". You might remember that Jews suffered - and still suffer - from such descriptions and claims of inflated numbers and importance.
As for Israel's borders, even in the Torah these changed due to the era's geopolitics (for want of a better word).
But I'm pleased you are so worried about demography.


zaheerayin

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 17:58

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Expulsion by whom?


Advis3r

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 18:05

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And for Joe's education the stranger (Ger Toshav) the Torah is talking about is a convert to Judaism not someone who questions the Jews' very right to their own land.
The Ger Toshav is distinct from the Nachri - a Gentile who may have found himself in the land of Israel, as a trader for example, but who maintained political, cultural and religious ties to his own people. He did have certain protections, but did not enjoy privileges of the Ger Toshav or native born Israelite. The assumption was that he had a place to go for protection, namely his homeland.


Advis3r

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Joshua
You asked for an anti-Semitic jibe by Mr Corbyn. Please see:
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/04/11/labour-mp-calls-for-public-inquiry-in...
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/leader/66979/shameless-corbyn
Furthermore I note that your perverse, and I would say, phoney indignation is reserved for Mr Yishai. Whereas if you were a fair-minded person your outrage should have been reserved for the author of the blog in the Independent who wrote this:

and now the emerging negative view of non-white people should outline clearly what the overriding Israeli government consensus is. The superior race theory is one that we’ve seen in the past, and is the hallmark of theories centered on a perspective viewed through the prism of eugenics. Those theories are dangerous and they need to be relegated to the past-along with Zionism.”

If not am I to take it that you agree with those contemptible and patently anti-Semitic sentiments?
You make another false claim “Also labelling immigrants as perpetrators of crime is a fascist tactic. All fascists have done it over the years. It's the most basic, ignorant tactic there is”
The ignorance is with respect yours. First they are not immigrants they do not come within the definition they are infiltrators having unlawfully infiltrated the Egyptian/Israeli border without permission. Secondly the fact that some of them have committed crimes of theft burglary sexual harrassment and rape is a matter of record not a “fascist” claim. Perhaps before you make unsubstantiated claims (which of course are so easy to make but not so easy to prove) you should take the trouble to acquaint yourself with the facts.
As for your bogus claim about “stealing” land I say again how can a Jew steal what the law says is the Jews to settle? But I have no illusions that you will just keep on making the same accusation after all make up a lie and make it a big one, keep repeating it and sooner or later people will believe it – right?


Advis3r

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:27

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Joe Millis
“Not sure why you came up with 250,000 Eritreans”
The Interior Ministry have projected that at current rates of infiltration (more than 3000 per month and rising ) without any action taken by the Government to stop of the flow through Israel’s border with Egypt in Sinai the numbers will easily reach that size within a short while. Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote.
Yes I am concerned with demography but not with questionable claims that Israel will be overtaken by the Arabs; by discredited and false data. As I said you do not live here and therefore whilst you are free to voice an opinion ill-informed as it is you have no right to stipulate how Israel should deal with illegal infiltrators into this country especially when it has become evident that most of them are here for economic reasons.
Remember this country opened its doors to the “boat people” fleeing the Vietnam War when not even Britain was prepared to take them in.
“As for Israel's borders, even in the Torah these changed due to the era's geopolitics (for want of a better word).” In your opinion - but they have always included Judea and Samaria have they not?
You quoted or rather mis-quoted the Torah when it suited you and I have shown that you mis-translated/misinterpreted the words of Leviticus maybe you should stop quoting the Torah altogether.


Advis3r

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:29

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Zaheeryin
You ask expulsion by whom? By the Labour Party of course, that is if its leaders had any sense of decency; or at the very least the removal of the Whip. But of course both you and Mary don’t see anything wrong in anti-Semitic jibes – you would rather twist the words of an Israeli Minister and make them out to be racist.
So again please let me know the disgraceful racist language Mr Yishai is alleged to have used.
The issue of Africans seeking a safe haven in Israel whether on economic or political grounds is a sensitive one. Admittedly some Israeli politicians have disgraced themselves with wholly inappropriate language which has been utterly condemned as such by most Israelis, me included. However Mr Yishai for one has been deliberately misquoted to exacerbate and create an overall negative effect. The way in which Israel intends to treat illegals is evidenced in many other countries besides Israel not least the United Kingdom where political correctness to some extent dissuades politicians from actually saying what they believe.
Here’s the translation of the first two sentences of the paragraph of the interview - misquoted by the Independent.
“Most of the people who come here are Muslims who think this country doesn’t belong to us, to the white man. Some of them have said so openly on television.”
As a qualified translator I accept that that is a fair translation.
However what Yishai is clearly saying is how (according to his view) Muslims think of “whites”, and he is certainly not saying that “Israel is for the white man”. Mr. Yishai himself was born to North African parents.
The proof is the excised sentence that comes next and is missing in the Independent quote:
“A number of them have said that openly on television.”
In short, Eli Yishai is quoting the infiltrators not his own thoughts or beliefs.
Eli Yishai is not saying Israel belongs to the ‘white man’. It is the infiltrators who have said that Israel doesn’t belong to the “white man” (read European Jew). If anyone is racist it is those who have openly expressed that view you know like Hamas et al.
Oh and by the way from today’s news:

David Cameron has defended plans to close Britain’s borders to Greeks fleeing their country’s economic problems, saying he would do anything necessary to protect the United Kingdom.
He was speaking after Theresa May was accused of stoking racial tensions and even risking Britons' Greek summer holidays after she used an interview with the Daily Telegraph to announce emergency immigration controls in the event of the failure of the euro.

So according to you by singling out Greeks both Cameron and May should be gone-instantly.


joemillis1959

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:52

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Hi advis3r, and many thanks for the illumination. However, as you would probably expect, I did some research of my own and the issue of ger toshav was brought up by later rabbis, who were - how shall I put this without wishing to sound too mean - slightly indisposed towards the "other" and people who don't practise Judaism like they.
Also, you note,

The assumption was that he had a place to go for protection, namely his homeland.

Bit of a poor assumption that, when it comes to the refugees/asylum seekers who are in Israel now. The vast majority are Christians from Eritrea, Sudan and elsewhere who emphatically do not have "a place to go to for protection, namely his homeland". Quite the opposite. That's why Israel is signed up to the International Convention on Refugees.
You bring Interior Ministry figures. Who is the minister at the Interior Ministry? Eli Yishai perhaps? And hasn't he been at the forefront of the incitement against refugees/asylum seekers? Perhaos he wants to divert attention away from his multiple incompetencies, culminating in the Comptroller's report on the Carmel Fire. It's always been a well-used tactic to point at minorities when you are in a jam. Remember Mosely?
And Eli Yishai hasn't denied that he said Israel belongs to the white man - funny that, since he's African himself, from Morocco - because far too many people heard him say it on Galei Tzahal (Israel Army Radio) in a live interview. And as has been pointed out, the majority of the refugees/asylum seekers are Christians or animists, not the bogey-man Muslims that he would love them to be. Busted, as my 14-year-old would say.
Remember that it was none other than Menachem Begin whose first act of Prime Minster was to allow in Vietnamese Boat People. Would that his successors in the Likud and elsewhere on the Right were as Jewish as he towards refugees.
Where do you stand on terming the refugees a cancer that is swamping Israel? Or on the arson attacks and other acts of violence against them? Remember Ki Sheket hoo refesh?


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:03

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Mary
I chose to ignore the comments because they are not the main issue .
If said , They do not represent the views of the government of Israel anymore than Kaufman represents the stated position of Her Majesty's opposition .
The issue is about the sovereign state and its right to determine its own borders and the status of those attempting to cross those borders without permission . The rest is just political posturing by those with an axe to grind against Israel .


Advis3r

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Sorry Joe wrong again:

Eritrea will not accept the forced repatriation of its nationals living in Israel, Ambassador Tesfamariam Tekeste said on Monday, at a lively and at times heated meeting of the Knesset Committee on Foreign Workers.
Tekeste said his government’s position remains that it will welcome those who choose to return and will help the Israeli government determine which migrants are Eritreans. He also said his government would ensure the safety of those returning and would not prosecute them for leaving the country, except those who skipped out on mandatory military service.
He then held up a list of what he said were the names of hundreds of Eritreans who had come to his office in the past year to arrange their voluntary return home.

http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=275228

South Sudan is now an Independent State or haven't you heard? The original reason for the South Sudaneses fleeing the Islamic militants has now all but disappeared. It is time for them to be repatriated. That is what usually happens.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201206130971.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/201206111264.html
http://www.zanis.org.zm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=303...
http://reliefweb.int/node/498551
http://www.unhcr.org/4fa936426.html
The point that differentiates the repatriation of refugees from other countries from the repatriation of refugees from Israel is that there's no outrage about it. There's no uproar and there's certainly very little media attention. Furthermore, the fact is that economic migrants have no legal status, and that repatriation of refugees -- including from Israel -- is legal, fair, and even encouraged by the world community. But why let facts get in the way of bashing Israel yet again.
In your case I regret a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Torah students spend years analysing what is written in the Torah. You spend say one hour or so, use spurious claims to denigrate the rabbis, and hey presto you are an expert on what the word Ger means. I don't think so.

I am not sure I get your busted point - you obviously haven't read or understood what Yishai actually said.


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:48

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Harvey, you talk about the rights of sovereign states to control their immigration policy (which I accept) and I will talk about the real issue. A deal?

Advis3r quotes something that Kaufman allegedly said (maybe he might provide a source?). Kaufman is one of over 600 MPs. MPs say all kinds of dumbass stuff every day, far too many for most of them to get reported. But imagine a British Home Secretary for example, saying the kinds of things that have come out of the mouths of very senior Israeli politicians including ministers, recently. The whole nation would be in an uproar. And he or she would not even be given 10 minutes to clear their desks. Yet it seems that Israeli ministers can say such things with impunity. Is this because such attitudes and language are becoming the norm in Israel?


joemillis1959

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:50

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Advis3r, many countries' diplomats - especially those of dictatorships - will claim that anyone who fled persecution and ran away will be OK if they returned. Many people took that vow at face value and returned to torture and death.
I am not bashing Israel here. Quite the opposite, I greatly admire the way that a large proportion of the population has taken to helping these refugees and asylum seekers. I am wondering, however, what happened to the Jewish view on the "other", among those who govern Israel.
You'll note also that I wrote Christians and animists from Sudan. The situation in South Sudan is different, admittedly, and it's a bit of a war zone, with refugees fleeing, also to Israel.
The problem with Eli Yishai is that he hasn't denied he said what he said because he said it live on Galei Tzahal. Bit hard to deny that.
So I ask again, where do you stand on terming the refugees a "cancer" that is "swamping" Israel? Or on the arson attacks and other acts of violence against them? Remember ki Sheket hoo refesh?


Advis3r

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:03

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Mary the whole country (Israel) was in an uproar and the politicians who made those comments have been condemned. None of them were ministers so desk clearing was not an option. Not so with Cameron and May picking on the Greeks. So please don't play holier than thou.
See
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-condemns-violence-against...
Kaufman didn't "allegedly" say it - he actually said it and then issued a mealy mouthed sort of apology when pressed by his party to do so. However we all know he is totally unrepentent and given the opportunity will no doubt repeat the same comments.
http://blog.thecst.org.uk/?p=2445


Advis3r

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:13

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"So I ask again, where do you stand on terming the refugees a "cancer" that is "swamping" Israel? Or on the arson attacks and other acts of violence against them? Remember ki Sheket hoo refesh?"

Please see my post at 08.29

The issue of Africans seeking a safe haven in Israel whether on economic or political grounds is a sensitive one. Admittedly some Israeli politicians have disgraced themselves with wholly inappropriate language which has been utterly condemned as such by most Israelis, me included

I ask you does Britain as a whole get called racist when the far right fire bomb Asian shops/attack synagogues in the UK? So why is Israel called racist by the commenters here due the criminal acts of the very few?

Double standards at work.

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