Rachel Corrie's death still being exploited by Israel haters

Harvey
on August 27, 2012 at 4:06 am
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I can understand the parents . They have a need to hold on to whatever motivated their child . She could have been motivated by the work of The Weizmann Institute or Orde Wingate or just about anything while she was in Israel . Instead she found the ISM , an effective non military wing of every bandit terrorist outfit in the West Bank and Gaza .
A sort of Sinn Fein to the IRA .
So her parents cling on to her words , deeds and associations . Understandable at face value . In reality their daughters fate was sealed the moment she signed up for the ISM . They didn’t give a damn for the girl . She was nothing but a pawn in their war with Israel . A naive dupe whose life had more value to them as a martyr than an activist .
If the Corries were true to the memory of their daughter they should be bringing a lawsuit against the ISM for culpable homicide .

Wow Harv you were up early. What's up couldn't you sleep ?

What you need my boy is to get yoursllf a crystal clear conscience like mine.

If you had the merest hint of a conscience you would be delving into the ISM , their motives tactics and associations with terrorist organisations .
Perhaps most significantly , you would be questioning the use of young naive fresh out of college kids who are given minimal training and placed in a war zone .
It's a win win for the ISM . So called humanitarian activist either impede IDF actions against terrorist networks or they get killed in the process thus providing a propaganda victory to the ISM .
Either way they are expendable in the greater cause .
The ISM are an important part of the Hamas / Fatah terrorist network .
They provide logistical support and safe houses for known terrorists .
The homes of homicide bombers earmarked for demolition would be surrounded and protected by ISM activists within minutes of confirmation that the bombing had taken place proving that the ISM were in cahoots with the terrorist networks .
As a parent , I have sympathy for the Corries on the loss of their daughter .
However the true object of their cause should be the ISM for wilfully placing their daughter in harms way .
They understandably refuse to see it that way , but to a more objective audience it's obvious who the real culprits are .

Silly boy . That's New York time . Do try to keep up .

We probably will never know the whole truth about how Rachael Corrie died, but there is one thing we can be totally certain of. This is, that Israel is hiding something. They have refused to make public the pathology findings, but a leaked extract contradicts the IDF account.

They also refused to allow the Physician who attended Corrie at the scene, to give evidence, either in person or by video link, presumably because this would contradict the IDF account as well.

Dan Shapiro, the US Embassador in Tel Aviv has stated that the IDF investigation was inadequate and not transparent.

Lawrence Wilkerson, Senior Aide to then Secretary of State Colin Powell, when asked by Craig Corrie if he felt that Israel had delivered the "thorough, credible and transparent investigation" it had promised, replied "categorically not."

Ultimately she was placed in a war zone by a cynical organisation who didn't care a rats tail whether she lived or died . The only others in that immediate area were IDF and Hamas .
She was a civilian . She should not have been in a restricted area .
Whatever conspiracy theory and whataboutery you throw at it , had she not been there she would be alive today . That's the beginning and end of it .

Shapiro has not directly stated that - we only have a Ha'aretz report - via the Corries - of what he said:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-israeli-probe-into-rac...

As for Wilkerson, he's cut from the same cloth as Walt and Mearsheimer.

Good post, Jonathan.

And this, too, should give the batteries of Mary's rabbit a rest . . .

http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/time-for-the-hurndalls-to-s...

There are other Rachel's . Israeli ones who should also be alive today but were the victims of an ideology that was aided and abetted by Rachel Corrie and her cohorts .
Actually the more I think about it , the more angry I become and any vestige of sympathy I feel as a parent for Corrie and her parents becomes subsumed in the knowledge that her actions enabled the perpetrators of so many hideous crimes against humanity .

Harvey you silly Billy I knew that I could tell from the timings on the other posts including mine. Never look a gift horse....

In which case why did you mention surprise at my getting up early ?
A five year old could Fisk your comments .

When's your birthday Harv ?

This is an edit of my first post. Adam Levick has decently and commendably deleted the posts I quoted, so I have removed my reference to them. ( I know, I know,I am too good for this world. )

I wonder if Mad Melchett Mike might be persuaded to act so commendably ?

From MMM's blog that he links to above...............

"Rachel Corrie – In Memoriam
Did you ever hear of rachel corrie?
no-one’s really very sorry
the girl is dead
that’s what they said
her end was really very gory

Jews and their kids were her favorite quarry
about terrorists she’d sit and worry
until she was covered
by a bulldozer smothered
now no corrie no worry no sorry"

Pots and kettles Armbach/RRZ

No-one has anything to teach you about abusivness

What a massive hypocrite

" As for Wilkerson, he's cut from the same cloth as Walt And Mearsheimer "

Regardless of that piece of typical nonsense, Wilkerson, as reported by The New York Times, was speaking in his official capacity. His capacity was COLIN POWELL'S CHIEF OF STAFF !!!!!! He was speaking for the American State Department.

" But the Corries believe that the army carried out a lackluster investigation filled with internal contradictions and with insufficient care to what orders soldiers received when faced with civilians in their paths. That view, it turns out, was not only that of a grieving family. It won support from the United States government.

Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, wrote to the Corries in his official capacity in June 2004. He referred to their query whether the American government viewed the military’s final report “to have reflected an investigation that was ‘thorough, credible and transparent.’ I can answer your question without equivocation. No, we do not consider it so.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/08/world/middleeast/08corrie.html?ref=rac...

As for Shapiro he is an American Ambassador dumbo. He doesn't have personal opinions either. He is paid to represent the positions of the American govt. It is entirely credible that he is quoted accurately since this is what the US position has been all along.

Corrie would be stupid to lie about something that could so easily be refuted. His name is Craig Corrie not Jonathan Hoffman.

Maybe you now might feel emboldened to address Ben F's points about the non publication of the autopsy report and the refusal to allow the evidence of the on the spot physician. And if I might throw in my tuppennyworth...only allowing eyes witnesses to give evidence following intense pressure from the Americans.

Cindy Corrie added, “An Israeli colonel said at this trial that there are no civilians in a war zone. But there are. If that hadn’t been the army’s attitude, maybe my daughter would still be with us.”

Cindy Corrie is demonstratably wrong . Her daughter was a civilian placed at risk in a war zone by an organisation who took no responsibility for her safety . Her task was to impede the IDF in carrying out their mission to close down smuggling tunnels and sniper positions close to the fence . Failing that , her death provided the perfect propaganda scoop for the ISM
A win win situation .
Tomorrow will see the final verdict of their civil action .
Either way , it will be used to castigate Israel either as a cover up in the event of a non responsibility verdict or vindication of claims of IDF culpability in her death .

The reality is that she was killed the day she joined the ISM.
It is the ISM who placed her in harms way and they who were ultimately responsible for her death .

It all seems pretty murky but true to form, Jonathan and Harvey know the truth and they're going to give it to us!!!!

My understanding is that the IDF were engaged in a systematic demolition of Palestinian houses close to the border, and the Internationals were primarily engaged in trying to prevent this. Also, that Rachael was killed trying to prevent the demolition of the house of a local Pharmacist. A house that was, in fact, demolished a few days after her death.

The autopsy report was seen by the Corrie family. It said: "Based on the results of the autopsy which I performed on the body of RACHEL ALIENE CORRIE, age 24, I hereby express my opinion that her death was caused by pressure on the chest (mechanical asphyxiation) with fractures of the ribs and vertebrae of the dorsal spinal column and scapulas, and tear wounds in the right lung with hemorrhaging of the pleural cavities."

That's perfectly consistent with death as a result of injuries Corrie sustained when earth and debris accidentally fell on her.

Oh you are a pathologist as well are you now SuperHoff ?

" Being seen by " is not the same as " published ". Being published would enable the document itself to be presented as evidence in an enquiry or court and competent professionals could argue about what it means and what it is or is not consistent with. But who needs competent professionals when we have SuperHoff.

Real Real Dickhead conveniently omits to mention, of course, that said "little ditty" was by comment (and had nothing to do with me) . . .

It has been there a long time and you moderate. Adam Levick took responsibility. Will you ?

Nowhere are the results of autopsies routinely published. Anyone who claims they should be in this case is either ignorant or an inveterate Israel-basher - or both.

Armbach/RRZ preaches to others about 'moderation'?

Words fail ...........!

Nah they don't fail. You always have "Israel basher " to fall back on, regardless of the topic. I bet when the mid wife slapped your bum you screamed " ISRAEL BASHER !!! ".

You see Hoff, if you read what I've been typing today carefully, which I know is not your style, you will notice that I have not said anything supportive of what Rachael Corrie and her colleagues are doing, nor have I said anything particularly critical about Israel. The fact is that the hysterical misleading tantrums of you and your ilk actually make it impossible to talk sensibly about Israel. For example, how can we talk sensibly about the Rachael Corrie issue when we have Harvey telling us that she was dead from the moment she linked up with ISM? How can we talk sensibly about it when we have people telling us "she was there to help terrorist killers"? How can we talk sensibly about Israel in the face of the maladaptive coping strategies of you and your fellow extremists?

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I don't talk 'sensibly' about anything with a libellous smear merchant

Don't worry I didn't have you in mind. But maybe once in a while you could butt out and let others talk sensibly ?

The Judge has ruled that Corrie's death was an accident and that the IDF was not to blame - precisely the result of the Investigation 9 years ago. The Israel Haters are tweeting about 'Impunity' - clearly a campaign that was concerted in advance.

PRECISELY the result... hhmmm

The judge added that the organization where Corrie worked "abuses the human rights discourse to blur its actions which are de facto violence. He claimed that it specialized in disrupting IDF activity. "This included an army of activists serving as 'human shields' for terrorists wanted by Israeli security forces, financial and logistical aid to Palestinians including terrorists and their families, and disruption of the sealing of suicide bombers' houses."

If the Corrie family wish for justice and some sort of closure , their court actions should be directed at Adam Shapiro and his ex wife .
They knowingly placed Rachel Corrie in a war zone situation . They might as well have thrown her into a snake pit . She was expendable , a Shaheed for the greater purpose .
These are callous ruthless people who play on the idealist sentiments of innocent young adults . Shapiro and the rest of the ISM hierarchy are the ones who should be in court on charges of culpable homicide .

Harvey you need to take a nap you are getting dangerously over agitated.

But before you do maybe you could tell me this. If Rachel was dead the moment she linked up with ISM would that not mean the death rate among ISM volunteers was 100 per cent ?

I've never heard so many one sided biased arguments.The main thing is that there's no excuses for running over anyone with a bulldozer.There were soldiers present who should and could have acted to make sure the bulldozers path was clear,in this country they are called banksmen who carefully watch for dangers whither it be power cables or people and alert the driver to make sure that (so called) accidents like this can't happen period.If a bulldozer driver cannot see properly to operate his machine then he should not operate it,simple.I have operated large earth moving machines and cameras were installed to cover blind spots so as not to have any excuses for running someone over.

Thanks for your concerns Mary , though I believe them to be somewhat insincere .
I stand by what I said .
Had Rachel Corrie not signed up to the ISM she would be alive today . Pure and simple
It was the ISM that cynically discharged their responsibilities to Corrie and allowed her access to a militarised zone . It was a disaster waiting to happen .
The ISM are responsible for her death . The court got it right and only those with a serious axe to grind against Israel would see it any other way .
Purveyors of hatred are ill equipped to seperate fact from fiction .

Alistair
As I understand it Corrie was not seen by the driver . At the time of her death she had been playing cat and mouse with the IDF and was hiding behind an earth mound .
The bulldozer shifted the earth which collapsed on her . There was no deliberate attempt to run her over .
Are you aware of the other Rachels , Israeli Rachels who were murdered by Palestinian terrorists . Unfortunately there is no campaign to bring these poor women and indeed all the victims of Palestinian terror to world attention .
I feel sorrow for the death of this woman but the cause lies squarely with the ISM .

To be against Illegal or morally corupt Israeli policy does not constitute hatred.I have a theory that people who hate have a bad habit of judging people against their own standard therefore the ones who are quick to shout hater are the ones full of hatred.

A Biased point by Mr Harvey.Are you aware Mr Harvey of all of the Innocent Palestinians who are killed by the most moral army in the world?Shall we look at the statistics. Are you aware what happens when the most moral army in the world wants to operate from a Palestinians house in the territory's. Don't preach to me about the victims of a few Palestinians it's an argument you'll never win.Go educate yourself rather than preaching straw man propaganda ,go read from Btselem.

"in this country they are called banksmen who carefully watch for dangers whither it be power cables or people and alert the driver to make sure that ... accidents like this can't happen"

But that is in a public place -- not in a designated war zone!

Once again Hoffie gets it hopelessly wrong. The IDF's own regulations requires that bulldosers be guided by light armoured vehicles performing a "banksman" role. The officer responsible says that he was "too busy" ! ! !

"The IDF's own regulations requires .."

Evidence?

No "banksman" is required in a military zone.

Unfortunately Hoff that is not consistent with the responsible officers rather tortuous explanation of why he hadn't supplied such.

These are all side issues . The fundamental question is why was a civilian placed in a war zone in the first instance . The following goes someway to explaining Corries presence in such a dangerous place .

Similarly, in a 2002 article, ISM co-founders Adam Shapiro and Huwaida Arraf wrote, “The Palestinian resistance must take on a variety of characteristics, both non-violent and violent,” adding that “[i]n actuality, nonviolence is not enough…Yes, people will get killed and injured.”

Shapiro and Arraf lauded such deaths as “no less noble than carrying out a suicide operation. And we are certain that if these men were killed during such an action, they would be considered shaheed Allah.”

Rachel placed herself there Harvey. She was a volunteer and a very enthusiastic one.

Further she was engaged in passive resistance and Israel had a responsibility to civilians as an occupying ( most say illegally occupying ) power. Whether that responsibility was met is a central not a side issue.

Given that ISM doesn't have a big presence here and isn't as widely known as it is in Europe even though it was founded here, and that they don't seek out unsuspecting Americans for service, Rachael Corrie's involvement was entirely of her own choosing. She chose this cause for her own reasons and fulfilled a self-determined passion to oppose what she saw as an inhumanity to man being committed by the Israeli government on the Palestinian people. She was no one's dupe and the characterisation that she was "used" by ISM is ridiculous and deceptive and sickening.

The garbage I've read here on this blog site, particularly by Harvey, is an affront to the sensibilities of all right thinking people and an insult to everyone's intelligence.

How much longer are Hoffie and Harvey going to be duped by the mound of earth myth ?

The after pic clearly shows there is no mound of earth anywhere to be seen. Further the doser tracks clearly show the doser passed over her and back again.

Further the cifwatch article that hoffie links to is typical of this particular grotesque comic. The writer makes most of it up as he goes along. For example he tells us that person that took the photographs admitted the before was taken some time before the incident and that there was no photographer present immediately before the incident, and that THE DRIVER DID NOT SEE HER. Now he was a photographer and to know that the driver didn't see her he must have been present: ie there was either a photographer present or he was in no position to know.

Back to the court hearing........No surpises there.Someone judging themsels and finding against themselve is a very rare thing. Isn't it said that the British don't have enquiries only cover ups ?

But this judge seems to have been very inept at playing his part. If Harvey quotes him correctly it is clear he made his mind up well before hearing any evidence ( it isn't supposed to be clear).

He also tells us that the IDF enquiry was" appropriate".

The promise was that it would be " thorough, credible and transparent". Obviously the judege thinks something less than that was appropriate.

JAP are you hoping Harvey likes warm weather ?

JAP are you hoping Harvey likes warm weather ?

"The IDF's own regulations requires .."

I asked for evidence

You supplied none

Case dismissed.....

Is that a challenge Hoffie ?

The Death of Rachel Corrie — March 16, 2003
Fact Sheet
 
Rachel Corrie died in a tragic accident on March 16, 2003, while participating in dangerous activities orchestrated by the International Solidarity Movement (ISM).
 
The IDF
The Incident took place in the “Military Installations Area,” a strip of land located along the Egyptian border, at the southern part of the Gaza Strip, also known as the Philadelphi Road. This area is considered a hostile battlefield to Israeli soldiers because of the number of attacks carried out by Palestinian terrorists.
Between 2000 and March 2003, the Military Installations Area/Philadelphia Road experienced thehighest level of Palestinian terrorist activities and was notorious for being the main channel for smuggling terrorists and weaponry into the Gaza Strip and the West Bank from Egypt. Since September 2000, these terrorist activities included:
1,570 grenade attacks, using 5,715 grenades
1,360 live-fire machine gun and sniper attacks
184 anti-tank missile attacks
147 road-side explosive devices
41 mortar attacks
The ongoing IDF operations in the Military Installations Area/Philadelphi Road were meant to protect the border and prevent terrorist activities against Israeli civilians and IDF soldiers. These operations included:
Observation posts
Armored patrols
Exposure and destruction of smuggling tunnels
Terrain leveling and clearing of debris and explosive devices
 
The D-9 Bulldozer
The D-9 armored bulldozer used by the IDF to clear terrain has an extremely limited field of vision. Shaded areas below represent blind spots for a D-9 bulldozer operator.
 
                        FRONT
                          
 
                        REAR
Because of the height of the D-9 bulldozer—more than 4 meters/12 feet—the D-9 bulldozer operator has a limited line of sight and cannot see anything on the ground that is closer than 30 meters/90 feet.
 
 
The International Solidarity Movement (ISM)
Established in August 2001, the ISM implements provocative and illegal methods to operate against “Israeli occupation.” The ISM presence had been noted in the incident area since late 2002.
Other ISM activities reported by the AP include:
Three ISM members were arrested while trying to prevent Israel from building a security fence between Israel and the West Bank
10 ISM activists holed themselves up in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem with dozens of other Palestinian terrorists in May 2002 during a standoff with Israeli soldiers. Even after an agreement was reached, the activists refused to leave the church.
During an Israeli siege of Yasser Arafat’s headquarters in Ramallah, several members of ISM sneaked past Israeli soldiers into the building.
 
The Incident – March 16, 2003
The IDF was engaged in a routine mission to level terrain and clear debris near the border, a preventative measure aimed at removing cover for terrorist attacks.
The IDF used two D-9 armored bulldozers and one command APC. Each bulldozer was manned by two IDF personnel: a commander and an operator, each of whom was an experienced bulldozer operator in his 30s.
On March 16, several ISM protestors entered a closed military zone and interfered in this routine mission. The IDF attempted to remove the protestors with shock grenades, tear gas and warning shots. After these multiple warnings and attempts to remove the protestors, the protestors still refused to leave the site.
ISM protestors claim that the driver of the IDF bulldozer saw Rachel Corrie standing in his path and ran over her deliberately. In fact:
The bulldozer driver did not see Rachel Corrie – and was not aware of her proximity to the bulldozer.
Rachel Corrie was standing behind an earth mound and was obscured from the bulldozer crew’s view.
There was no direct contact between the bulldozer and Rachel Corrie
Rachel Corrie’s death was a result of injuries she sustained when earth and debris accidentally fell on her.
The irresponsible and dangerous conduct of ISM activists—blatantly ignoring IDF warnings, refusing to leave the area, and purposely putting themselves in harm’s way—is a major factor leading to the tragic result of this incident.