PSC hosts Jewish Slanderer of Israel in hall of Catholic Church in Tottenham, London


By Jonathan Hoffman
July 3, 2012
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Secular Moscow-educated Theobald Jew Ronnie Kasrils is the most high-profile and prolific slanderer of Israel in South Africa so of course he is a darling of the PSC -- especially since their former darling Norman Finkelstein - who repaid their hospitality by calling BDS advocates a "cult" - is well and truly off their Christmas card list.

Tonight Kasrils was the PSC's star turn at a Catholic church hall in Tottenham (St John Vianney).

First we heard from Gary McFarlane of the Socialist Workers' Party who spoke about Plan Dalet in the context of Yitshak Shamir's death. He attacked Plan Dalet, quoting from Ilan Pappe. But of course Plan Dalet (March 10th, 1948 - it is open and available for all to read in the IDF Archive and in various publications) was the master plan of the Haganah - the Jewish military force that became the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) - to counter the expected pan-Arab assault on the emergent Jewish state. It was not - as McFarlane made out - some kind of plan to get rid of Arabs.

We also had the lie that US pension fund giant TIAA-CREF has divested its shares of Caterpillar Inc. because Israel allegedly misused Caterpillar equipment.

Truth: Caterpillar has been dropped from only one of TIAA-CREF's funds, and that is because of a labour dispute in Canada, not because of anything to do with Israel.

Now to Kasrils' lies. He said that "Israel was established unilaterally in 1948" not mentioning the UN vote (in November 1947 the UN voted 33-13 for partition). When I corrected him he changed his story to say that "Ben Gurion proclaimed the State unilaterally" not mentioning that the Declaration of Independence came on the point of invasion by the Arabs who refused to accept partition. And why should Ben Gurion NOT have declared a State after the UN vote?

Then of course the antisemitic "Chosen People" trope. Kasrils suggested that Jews took land from Arabs because they regarded themselves as somehow "chosen" - that is, privileged. Only antisemites use the phrase in this way. In the Bible the phrase means "chosen for obligations" - not "for privileges".

Then we got the old trope that the Zionists saw Israel as a "land without a people for a people without a land".

No Zionist leader ever said this. The phrase comes from 19th century Christians:

http://www.meforum.org/1877/a-land-without-a-people-for-a-people-without

Again, only an antisemite would attribute this phrase to Jews.

How appalling that a Catholic Church sees fit to host such anti-Jewish racism!

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Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:04

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Another day in the trivial, self promoting, tedious drivel infested life of Jonathan Hoffman.


richmillett

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:01

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Why do you bother commenting, Rich, just to insult? It was another vile meeting.


richmillett

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:08

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And by the way, Rich/Real Real Zionist please don't come back to my blog, i beg you. I have lost commenters due to you, which is probably your aim. Nothing like a bit of sabotage to make you feel good, I know. But you are more than catered for here, so no point spreading yourself too thin. Thanks.


happygoldfish

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:12

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jonathan, thank you for once again attending these unpleasant meetings, and speaking up

Jonathan Hoffman: Kasrils was the PSC's star turn at a Catholic church hall in Tottenham (St John Vianney).

the parish priest there is father joe ryan, chair of the justice and peace commission of the diocese of westminster: here are some of his writings on israel/palestine …

http://www.rcdow.org.uk/westgreen/news/default_viewnews.asp?parish_id=88005&news_ref=2424
Newsletter - 25 December 2011
As we think of Mary and Joseph and the infant Jesus, there in the stable in Bethlehem, we cannot fail to think about Bethlehem today. The first message of the Angels to the shepherds: “Peace on earth to all people of good will”! Yet, in this very place in Palestine there is absolute injustice and civil violence. People are being made homeless, and intimidated by Jewish settlers who take over Christian and Palestinian homes, property and land. It cannot be right. …

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=19425
Palestinian priest tells UK parishes about desperate plight of Holy Land Christians By: Fr Joe Ryan
Fr Johnny Abu Khalil, Parish Priest of Nablus in Palestine, spoke at the Parish of Enfield on Wednesday, 30 November [2011]. He was invited to come to the UK by Pax Christi to do a speaking tour telling his story.

He explained why Christians are leaving the Holy Land – settlements; check-points; security wall, and Israeli policy etc. He  also described the personal intimidation he experienced getting his group of 50 people to visit Jerusalem at Easter time.

He sdescribed the land-grabbing; starting in 1948; then after the six days war of 1967; the Intifada of 1995 etc, all a clear policy to exclude all non-Jews from the new state of Israel. This is an open policy, a policy condemned by most international governments with the great exception of the USA! …

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=16283
Westminster Justice and Peace Commission  has issued a statement today [9/6/2010] condemning the action of the Israeli authorities on the aid mission to Gaza. Head of the Comission, Fr Joe Ryan writes: 'The Israeli military attack on an unarmed vessel, bearing humanitarian aid deserves our total condemnation. It does nothing to further the cause of peace in the Middle East, or the reputation of Israel.The atrocity, standing in a long line of military excursions going back to 1978, shares common threads of loss of innocent life, a lack of proportion and total impunity.

'The killing of unarmed civilians on board the Mavi Marmara begs the question of what constitutes the first aggressive act, and the reasons for the existence of such flotillas. There is incontrovertible evidence of a humanitarian disaster in Gaza as a result of Israel’s blockade since 2007, and subsequent military action in Operation Cast Lead. …'


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:14

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Richard were you at this meeting?


richmillett

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:34

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yea.


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:34

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Kasrils travelled a long way to play to a sell out crowd ( ok 60 or so )
Great to see the grizzled old Republicans quoting Bobby Sands and the various ex Greenham Common types having a reprise of their vintage years .
Kasrils and his merry friends labels Israel an apartheid state .
However , unlike South Africa which was and some say still is an apartheid state ,the rest of the global community save for the usual 22 suspects plus Iran , do not agree with him . Hence there is no global boycott directed at Israel .
In fact import / exports with the Uk are growing at an amazing rate as they are with every other democracy and even those that are not especially Russia and China .
The fact is the bds has failed to achieve critical mass . From what i could see last night , they have failed to achieve critical mass in Tottenham let alone globally .It has no political power and as we all know is simply a repository for antisemites to ply their trade despite the best efforts of Greenie to reverse the trend .
Finklestein labelled the bds a cult as its objectives ie the dismantlement of a sovereign state are totally unacceptable to both government and general public .
The assorted bunch of Republicans , Trots , ANC and Theobald Jews present last night will do little to change that impression .


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:45

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Richard don't beg him . He enjoys fouling up what is an otherwise excellent influential and widely read blog . Just cut him and the other trolls off once and for all .
By the way thanks again for the falafel afterwards


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:51

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Quite a love in.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:54

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Harvey, shhhhhh. It is a very long time since I have been begged and I am giving serious consideration to the matter.


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:59

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Breaking News: So the desperate for attention handful of headbangers on the far fringe of the Jewish community have had another night on the town.

If there weren't any such meetings, we would have to invent some for them. Obviously doing something useful is a foreign country for them.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:03

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Spot on. Both "sides" of the London parochial inter cult sand pit squabble need each other. It is an entirely symbiotic relationship.


richmillett

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:15

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And what would you both do without us to attack, hmmm?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:27

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Well that is easy. I would have so much more time to support as best as I humbly could, those that are trying to do something constructive.


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:39

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Not quite a love in Mary ,more a tuck in .


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:08

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Suzanna
Palestinian blows himself up in Tel Aviv night club
Ist June 2001 killing 21 Israeli teenagers .


joshua789

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:13

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Harvey - that was over a decade ago so why kick and hurt a small boy now?

(And listing atrocities is not something that is exclusive to Israel)


Advis3r

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:03

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For the benefit of suzanna who always posts "on topic"
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/man-bites-dog-eats-dog-high-spice/story?id...

Any abuse of a child is abhorrent and deserves full condemnation along with the nutters who posted outrageous remarks on facebook - there again who knows if they were Israelis/jews posting those comments?

Anyway this is an obviously doctored/staged video. The person holding the camera is there for well over a minute before anything happens. Who sits by a window with a camera filming when there is nothing to see? Obviously someone who knows something is going to happen. Should not wonder that the child was sent out precisely to provoke the soldier, we also have no idea what went on before it seems that the first soldier was actually looking for someone.

At 1.18 the child comes out from behind a wall and is pounced on by the soldier.The other soldier comes by but you do not see him actually kick the child and nor does the child cry out as one would expect if he had been kicked.

A nice staged performance by B'tselem. Now if you want to know who really knows how to handle children properly why don't you go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014141809


joshua789

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:00

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Suzanna - The Independent went with the story yesterday:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/border-police-filmed...

Jonathan - could you make a complaint about this please.


Harvey

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Just heard news
Ahava Appeal fails !!!


joemillis1959

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:24

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Harvey, just for your info, threatening letters don't work, especially when they are passed on to the Met. Thought you might like to know.


joshua789

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:45

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The bds 'cult' eh Harvey?

Agrexco, Israel’s leading flower exporter, has declared bankruptcy, partially due to the boycott of its produce. More than 20 organizations in Europe in 13 countries endorsed a boycott of the company, partially owned by the Israeli government and which had farms in the Jordan Valley and in Tekoa, a settlement . . . .

Norway’s oil fund withdrew its investment from Africa-Israel and Danya Cebus citing involvement in “settlement construction.” The Swedish co-op terminated all purchases of Soda carbonation devices.

Major Dutch pension fund Pensioenfonds Zorg en Welzijn, which has investments totaling 97 billion euros, has divested from almost all the Israeli companies in its portfolio (banks, telecommunication companies, construction companies and Elbit Systems). The British supermarket chain Co-Operative Group approved a boycott of goods from Judea and Samaria. A large Swedish pension fund also divested from Elbit over the latter’s role in building Israel’s West Bank security fence.


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:50

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Of course Millis . Of course .


richmillett

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:30

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Israel's economy is booming. BDS is a racist omnishambles. Dream on, Joshua789.


Harvey

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:40

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Not my label Joshua . Finklesteins . Poster boy for the bds at least up till the time he stopped with the Kool aid .


Harvey

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Josh
Hate to break it you but uk trade with Israel in 2012 totalled £3.75 billion
It was up 34 % on the previous year end


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:07

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London BDS may be a cult but I think it numbers more than three.

Spreading yourself a lil thin are you not Richard ?

Harvey has your little cult achieved critical mass in Tottenham ?


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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 08:12

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Sharon Klaff | July 4, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Reply

Ronnie Kasrils talks rubbish. Richard you must have had to be sterilised after spending a evening in the same room.


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