Open email to Simon Hughes MP
 | By Jonathan Hoffman
September 20, 2012 | Share |
Dear Mr Hughes
How many Israeli deaths will you accept to implement your preferred 'One State' solution?
Because most Israelis - Jews and non-Jews - would never volunteer to sign away the Jewish State.
Do you think there might be a reason that there are no LibDem Ministers in the Foreign Office?
And since you have a long history of anti-Israel comments, what makes you think anyone - apart from the usual exremists from the PSC and ISM - is going to listen to you?
Example: Saying that Operation Cast Lead was "disproportionate and self-defeating".
And if you think that Jews should not have their own State, how come you support the right of LibDems to have their own Party? On your logic the LibDems should be absorbed by one of the larger two Parties - and moreover the LibDems should have no say in which one it is.
Yours sincerely
Jonathan Hoffman
COMMENTS
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:50 Rate this: 2 points | “I’ve always seen as the best model, the work being done on antisemitic activity, because it has clearly been accurate, well-respected, useful and persuasive”. Yet Hughes doesn't think that wishing away the only Jewish sovereign state, like he is doing, isn't "antisemtic activity"? Astonishing. When Jenny Tonge wished away the Jewish state Nick "I'm sorry" Clegg asked her to apologise or resign as a Lib Dem. When will he be asking the same of Simon Hughes? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:15 Rate this: 0 points | Hughes states he's concerned about Palestinian Human Rights but omits anything about Israeli Human Rights . He gives settlements as the sole obstacle to peace , yet fails to mention Palestinian non recognition of the primacy of 'Two states for Two people ' . |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:38 Rate this: -1 points | Harvey
So that means you are one-stater, too. Just like Hughes, Tonge and all the other insignificant numpties. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:55 Rate this: -1 points | Jonathan, as I am sure you know, Mr. Hughes is in Brighton at the moment. I am sure he wouldn't want to wait until after the conference to read your important email. I'll print a copy off and run it over to him. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:26 Rate this: -1 points | Why is this an open email? What is the purpose in calling the man out? If he responds, do you intend to publish that as well? All very grubby. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:44 Rate this: 1 point | Joe, i think you have unfairly represented Harvey. He said "Israel will never accept a satellite of Iran perched within 10 clicks of Tel Aviv". That is, Israel won't accept an Islamist state like Iran bordering it, something I would expect you agree with. It is hardly controversial. As for "Just like Hughes, Tonge and all the other insignificant numpties." I agree Hughes is insignificant. I cannot understand why Martin Bright has given his views such exposure. I am baffled. Martin? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:52 Rate this: -1 points | Grubby doesn't even scratch it. I too have written Simon Hughes an email. We wouldn't want him to be in any doubt about who he is dealing with. In the meantime Hoffie's bestest friend sinks lower and lower. http://www.thejc.com/blogs/marcus-dysch/brian-coleman-arrested-and-baile... http://wwwbrokenbarnet.blogspot.co.uk/ Hoff has deleted his blog on this subject but I have a picture of it and posted it elsewhere. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:57 Rate this: 0 points | Richard it would be very difficult for Joe to represent Harv fairly since he ( Harv ) seems more than a tad confused. As best as I can decypher it he doesn't want a Palestinian state and he doesn't want one state. Are there options that I have missed ? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:58 Rate this: 0 points | You have time on your hands Millis . Try using it to read my comment properly . |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 12:10 Rate this: 1 point | Harvey's position is in line with Israel's and reasonable people around the world; no radical Islamist Palestinian state on its border. That doesn't exclude a Palestinian state per se, as you and Joe well know. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 12:31 Rate this: 0 points | But how you going to prevent a Palestinian state from becoming whatever it will become ? It would be an independent state yes ? Or do you mean no ? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 12:46 Rate this: 0 points | No, Richard, Harvey's and your position is that of Jewish one-staters. Like the Palestinian one-staters, the BDS mob, PSC, Tonge, JFJFP and other assorted loonies, they want the destruction of our only Jewish and democratic state. For shame, aligning yourselves with anti-zionists like that. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 12:50 Rate this: 1 point |
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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 13:20 Rate this: 0 points | Thanks, Goldfish But what I'd really like to know is where those such as Richard et al who claim to be two-staters would put the Palestinian state. West Bank? Gaza? Sinai? Jordan? After all, even Kahane could claim to be a two-stater as he called for a Palestinian state in Jordan, to which all those non-Jews west of the River Jordan would be transferred. Wonder if they'll come back on this without the usual straw man arguments and vituperation. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 13:24 Rate this: 0 points | Happy Fatah & Hamas : Partners for Peace? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 13:33 Rate this: 0 points | Harvey you have at needless length reinforced Happygoldfishes's point. It would have been quicker and easier to just have said " I agree ". If two states are impossible on account of the incurable rejectionism of the Palestinians then you are a one stater, unless as RRZ implies, you have another possibility in mind that you are not sharing with us. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 13:39 Rate this: 0 points |
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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 14:59 Rate this: 0 points | Why are the usual haters incapable of reading? IF the 'palestinians' want to have a state (for which they have shown nil evidence so far), recognise Israel and reject Iranian influence, THEN they can have a state. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:09 Rate this: 0 points | "No, Richard, Harvey's and your position is that of Jewish one-staters. Like the Palestinian one-staters, the BDS mob, PSC, Tonge, JFJFP and other assorted loonies, they want the destruction of our only Jewish and democratic state. For shame, aligning yourselves with anti-zionists like that." I have always argued for a two state solution, but it just isn't feasible at the moment with what is going on. Only in Millis/Yachad Disneyland is it feasible at the moment. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:45 Rate this: 0 points | Good that you argue for a two-state solution. But where would you put the Palestinian state? West Bank-Gaza? Along the 67 line with minor alterations (up to 5% land swap) to take into account demographics? Sinai? Jordan? As you may have noticed, it could be argued that Kahane advocated a two-state solution - Israel and Jordan, where all the non-Jews west of the River would be transferred. What's it to be, Richard? This time without vituperation try to walk the walk. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:49 Rate this: 0 points | Clinton Parameters. I'm with President Clinton. Good enough for you? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:52 Rate this: 1 point |
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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:54 Rate this: 0 points | Clinton parameters seem fine to me. Oh, and that's Yachad's view, too, so welcome to the club |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 16:38 Rate this: 0 points | No, it's not. You and Hannah have got us all screaming for the exits saying it's now or never because by 2020 it will all be too late because the Palestinians will outnumber the Israelis blahblahblah |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:01 Rate this: -3 points | That's misrepresentation, because therevis practical parity now between Jews and Arabs between the river and the sea. I know, you dispute that - without the vituperative blablahblah - but let me paraphrase Harry Callahan |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:14 Rate this: 0 points | Many in Israel want to do just what you and Harry recommend on the basis that there are only 1.41m Palestinians on the West Bank: http://www.biu.ac.il/Besa/MSPS65.pdf |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:18 Rate this: 0 points | Mary In 1977 Anwar Sadat broke the impasse when he visited Jerusalem and spoke to the Knesset . |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:26 Rate this: 0 points | I was thinking that a certain someone would now know better than to bicker with the nut jobs and leave them for me to deal with. Interesting that Yoni has been pulled out of the glove puppet box. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:40 Rate this: 0 points | Harvey how would a little Palestinian state make the " Arab world " more capable of eliminating Israel ? |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:41 Rate this: 0 points | Well, Richard, it would end the argument about the demographic time bomb once and for all. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:44 Rate this: 0 points | And it would answer the stupid question of how many would have to die as well. |
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:59 Rate this: 1 point |
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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:37 Rate this: 0 points | OK Millis/RRZ given that Mr Zaki said "The Jews consider Judea and Samaria to be their historic dream. If the Jews leave those places, the Zionist idea will begin to collapse. It will regress of its own accord. Then we can move forward." Please give us your reasons for supporting a two state solution. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:27 Rate this: 1 point | You ask, Advis3r, the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics own figures reply |
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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:30 Rate this: 0 points | Millis statistics do not support a two state solution "from the river to the sea" since the Palestinians time and again tell us they want their own state on historic Judea and Samaria which is to be Jew free and to be able to exercise the fictitious "right of return" to pre-1967 Israel for all "refugees" which they say is a red line and which includes all descendants of the original "refugees" which depending on you ask could number up to four million since it also includes all those "refugees" who now live in the diaspora. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:44 Rate this: 1 point | A couple of points about the demography thingy. If you leave out Gaza then according to what we have read above its a pretty close run thing so far as the relative numbers of Jews and non Jews between the river and the se is concerned. If there isn't quite parity now there soon will be. But I think Israeli's, given the present " no solution only management " attitude" will probably just have to live with that and whatever it turns out to entail. The big puzzle for me is that on the one hand Richard, and others tell us that the demographics are fine, no problem, and demographic scare mongering is just blah blah blah. One other hand the same people tell us that one state advocacy is genocidal racism. These statements don't strike me as being capable of being true together. I am asking Richard here because I am banned from his own blog for quoting Danny Boy Marks racist comments back at him. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:01 Rate this: 0 points | Advis3r, Israel is non-negotiating its own demise by thinking that by holding on to the occupied territories it can remain a Jewish and democratic state. One thing has to go - the occupied territories or the Zionist ideal. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:03 Rate this: 0 points | Goldfish, Well spotted. However, Although Israel disengaged unilaterally from the Gaza Strip, it still controls the lives of those who live therein. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:09 Rate this: -2 points | I take great comfort in the fact that our great US of A has a staunch ally in the Middle East called Israel. Israel has sometimes been called the largest aircraft carrier in our fleet. And for good reason. While the whole Mideast region radicalizes and boils over in anti-USA violence and hatred, we can always count on Israel for a safe landing, to represent our real interests and to be our only true friend in this region that hates the West more and more with each passing day. We both share the same Judeo-Christian values. We are both democracies. We are both proud countries that respect human life, human rights and freedoms of all kinds. We are both the West. Like it or not, we need Israel perhaps as much as Israel needs us. I dare say maybe even more. That's why I am more than a bit concerned about our government's misguided foreign policy towards Israel. It seems that far from supporting her as we should be, we're throwing her under a bus. We appease her enemies. We disrespect her prime minister. And most disturbingly, we try to push through what's euphemistically called the "Two State Solution" to the Israel-Palestinian issue. Click here: http://shomroncentral.blogspot.co.il/ |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:19 Rate this: 1 point | Funny, that, Michael, because a two-state solution was George W Bush's vision too. And he, the greatest friend Israel ever had in the White House, was the first US president to talk openly about it. What do you want? A binational state, where the Jews aren't the majority? That's a bit anti-Zionist, isn't it? |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:40 Rate this: 0 points | Well to the right of us we have those telling us that two states mean the demise of Israel. To the left of us we have those telling us that one state leads to the demise of Israel. Who to believe. It is so very difficult. Unless.......no let's not go there. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 12:58 Rate this: 2 points |
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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 13:18 Rate this: 0 points | Nope, Goldfish. Unilateral was a statement of fact. But yes, it does bother me, because nothing good comes out of unilateral actions. And given that unilateral disengagement was meant to put the peace process in formaldehyde, its aim was not exactly honourable. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 13:35 Rate this: 0 points |
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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:06 Rate this: -2 points | It wasn't Hamas that decreed that the Gazans should not have access to lentils, school books etc etc etc. It wasn't Hamas that " put them on a diet ". |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:12 Rate this: -2 points | israel makes a huge concession without anything in return, I made a huge concession once. I took this guys watch. I then sorta kinda gave it back while retaining certain liens. Like when he could wear it etc etc. And I never got anything in return. |
Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:25 Rate this: 0 points |
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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:34
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Who is Simon Hughes ?
In slang Hebrew , it's known as Pukka Pukka
Hot air , listened to by no one and signifying absolutely nothing .