More Vexatious Lies and Lawfare from the Israel Haters


By Jonathan Hoffman
June 19, 2012
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Last night I was at this meeting at the House of Commons:

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/68790/hamas-gets-a-hearing-house-commo...

Richard Millett will blog about the meeting in detail. Suffice it to say that both Jeremy Corbyn and Gerald Kaufman got their facts wrong. Corbyn did not seem to know that Israeli PM Netanyahu froze settlement building for ten months in November 2009 in the interests of peace but Mahmoud Abbas refused to come to the table. Kaufman seemed to think that the Co-Op has imposed a full boycott of goods from Israel. It has not - rather, it is refusing to do business with four companies who handle goods from Judea and Samaria.

But since when did they ever care about the facts ...

But the most astonishing part of the meeting happened at the end. The House of Commons police are always present outside the room for these meetings. As I left the room the policeman asked to speak to me. He told me that he had been told that I had said at the meeting that the MPs were supporting terrorism by allowing terrorist supporters into Parliament. Of course I said nothing of the sort (but so what if I had?). I only spoke once at the meeting - to point out Corbyn's error to him.

Of course I had no difficulty convincing the policeman that he had been fed a pack of lies - the police are used to this from the anti-Israel people.

Crude vexatious lawfare from the Israel haters. No surprise there then.....

Postscript - Richard's blog:

http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/mps-describe-palestinian-...

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Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 10:12

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" my preference is to heckle and interrupt ...."

heckle,interrupt Disrupt.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 10:15

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Thanks Rich. Given Jonathan's record at events I must confess I find your statement surprising. However, given that you then go on to say that "Jonathan doesn't disrupt meetings" when as we both know, its patently obvious that he does then this perhaps calls into question your own truthfulness on this matter.

Perhaps posting your audio recording would clear this up.


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 10:32

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Richard, Hoff not only is a self confessed disruptive he ADVOCATES disruption. Perhaps you could supply us with more details of how a deputy and a senior official of the ZF came to shame the community by getting thrown out of the Royal Albert Hall for hooliganism ?


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:06

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Maybe Jonathan has rehabilitated himself?

But why were you and he given a police escort out of the House of Commons? That sounds very melodramatic. Something must have happened.


richmillett

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:07

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Ok, Jon. as you consider me a liar I think I have wasted enough time on you. Rich, at the RAH he simply raised the Israeli flag in response to a protest. He got thrown out because some snitch complained (it wasn't you by any chance, was it?). Yet, on The Last Night of The proms hundreds of flags are waved. Explain that one!


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:16

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Hi Rich.

Perhaps I phrased myself badly and for that I apologise. We both know that Jonathan is disruptive in meetings and I find it incredibly hard to believe that he wasn't disruptive in this one. If you say that he wasn't then ok, I accept that but if you posted the audio which you claim you recorded then it would clear this up without the need for the back and forth here.

Thanks.


zaheerayin

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:31

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Richard, that is a prison mentality type argument. "It was a snitch's fault". How immature. The Albert Hall had made it clear on that evening it would not allow the waving of flags, for obvious reasons. So you are saying that it wasn't Jonathan's narcissism in setting himself up as the exception to the rule that caused this embarrassment. It was the snitch's fault for causing him to get caught. This is a kid with his hand in the cookie jar type story. This might cause people to think that Jonathan did indeed say what he's alleged to have said in the House of Commons recently, and you are ok with that because it wasn't Jonathan's fault, it was some snitch's fault?

This is Naughty Child 101. No, Johnny, it was YOUR hand that was in the cookie jar, not Billy's, not Susie's....YOURS. Every primary school kid is taught this and it is the ones who take on board that grow up to be emotionally healthy.


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:33

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lol..


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:35

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Jon
You didnt phrase things badly and there's no need to apologise . We understand all too well your sentiments without the need for disclaimers and the like .
I fully understand that people such as Richard and Jonathan are a constant source of annoyance as they go about the task of exposing the traducers and hate mongers for what they are . I fully understand that these individuals would like nothing more than to spout their hatred to a closed audience of like minded souls .
Unfortunately for them , the spotlight has been turned on their nasty nefarious activities and the best way to get out of the glare of truthful exposure is to try to shut it down .
Whether its by stopping Richard from recording or in true Stalinist fashion , making false accusations to the police ( to which they will eventually get wise ) , the end result is a mere venal attempt to suppress freedom of speech and ultimately the truth .


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:42

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And that is extremist lunatic cult fringe of the ZF 101


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:46

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Yeah how did the PSC get into this ?


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:48

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I am betting that Richard is busy editing the recording right now.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:04

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Oh Harvey hush your mouth.

I wan't talking to OR apologising to you. So far your entire contribution to this debate has been to mutter darkly about the PSC/BDS lot even though a) this event wasn't organised by the PSC and b) BDS is an action not an organisation.

You'll note that I'm actually encouraging Richard's recording and asking him to post it. Indeed I'm trying to dig the truth out of this story....


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:48

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'Well hush my mouth child '
Sorry Jon but was that comment meant for the ' Gone with the wind ' film club appreciation society . You're just so Vivian Leigh .


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:55

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Who cares who organised it . It's one and the same . The objective is the same .
I ceased to distinguish between the players a long time ago .


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:00

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"Who cares who organised it . It's one and the same . The objective is the same .
I ceased to distinguish between the players a long time ago ."

I think that says an awful lot about you Harvey. Is that really what you think?


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:31

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Sorry Jon , I didn't think my comment required further elucidation but you proved me wrong . Let me try to make it easier for you .
Try to think of it as the minority acts in Gaza who give themselves grandiose titles before launching missiles , mortars etc . Israel responds to Hamas . It doesn't bother trying to work out who is who . It's Hamas that gets the response both militarily and in terms of public consumption .
So it is with their supporters and spokespeople abroad . The dots inevitably connect .
Try reading Harry's Place . They are supremely efficient and accurate in connecting the dots .
Try it . I promise you will emerge a changed and better person for the experience .
Richards blog , if taken regularly will have the same effect .
Set out on a new journey as of today . Rep Butler will be here if the road gets too hard .


richmillett

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:37

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As suspected conspiracy theorists like Chris Tucker proving it is a waste of time to post. I understand it is up on youtube now. Go and check. If Jon. can prove he said it i will contribute £500 to a charity of his choice. If Jon. can't prove he said it will you do the same to a charity of my choice?


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:45

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Nope. A spare £500 would be a very welcome thing at them moment but its not something i've got.

Also, I was never disputing that particular point., I was disputing whether Jonathan's comments about the evening were accurate as you can see if you go back over my comments.

However, to play your game for a second. YOU would have to prove that he DIDN'T say anything not me in order for your criteria to be fair. You'd have to do some work for your (fictional) £500


richmillett

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:51

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No, i am asking you to prove it as you seem convinced that he did. That's fair, no? I could give you a 6 month time limit, which is a fair amount of time. If you can't come up with the goods after 6 months, then I will direct you to my favoured charity. There's a famous Latin quotation: May he who maketh the accusation, prove it.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 13:54

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Richard, I believe my point was whether Jonathan 'only made 1 comment' That I find hard to believe. Tell you what, send me the youtube link and we'll go from there...


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:14

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Richard
Don't get sucked into this drivel with the trolls . It's all they are about .


richmillett

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:22

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Jon. I will post when I find it. But in the meantime may i direct you to the Palestinian Return Centre who will give you all the assistance you need. As i said that was the only time Jonathan spoke. He did occasionaly whisper to me i must admit. In your world that probably equals disruption where a pro-Israel activist is concerned. Anyway, I leave you to prove your case. You have all the resources available.


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:53

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To summarise where we are.....Richard is going to post a you tube link to his recording ( when he finds it ) ?Wouldn't it be easier to just link us to the recording? I don't recall Richard ever being shy to share his recordings before.

And as for the latin quotation... Jon has not made any accusation. He has merely said that given Hoff's previous form he finds it very hard to believe he only opened his mouth once and didn't say what he was alleged to have said.And that given that Hoff is a self confessed habitual disrupter, and an habitual and proven vexatious liar, he is not inclined to believe it without independent evidence. I mean let's face it if Hoff told you it was Thursday you would be very unwise to act on it without getting it independently checked out.As it happens it IS Thursday. Unfortunately when you have the form that Jonny has no one is going to believe anything you say. This is unfortunate on those occasions when you are not lying but that is the price you pay.

There is no onus of proof on Jon. That lies with the proven vexatious liar.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 14:56

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THanks RRZ. I'd say thats a pretty accurate summing up.

Except you forgot to add that Harvey thinks he's Rep (sic) Butler....


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 15:02

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Well Harvey and thinking........


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 15:28

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Rrz
You sure have a morbid unhealthy obsession with Jonathan .
What next ? Threatening abusive missives with the letters cut from print and posted by hand .
You need to see someone quick before it takes over your life . But then again it already has .


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 15:36

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Look behind that tree Harvey it's the PSC !!!!

BOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Harvey

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 15:45

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Who needs to look behind trees . It's on this site


Real Real Zionist

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:02

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Where ?


Advis3r

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:28

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Look in the mirror.


zaheerayin

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:28

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Ahem....you forgot the part where Jonathan has an aside (which it can be assumed that Richard Millet couldn't overhear)with the police. G-d knows what was said then, but they were subsequently escorted out according to Richard Millet. Hmmmmmmmmmm


Advis3r

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:33

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Another obsessive compulsive who needs professional help. I can't possibly imagine how sad empty and pitiful your life must be.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:35

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Hey Advi3r is there any need for Ad Hominem attacks here?


Advis3r

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:04

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Jon look up the definition of ad hominem and then come back to me.


Jon.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:08

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Ok.

"Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:18

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Yes, Advis3r, do please try to stay on topic. The topic was LYING!!!!!


richmillett

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 10:01

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Honestly, i don't care about sending out recordings for anyone to hear. I have nothing to hide. But i will only be accused of having edited so i don't see the point. I apologise but there isn't a youtube link up yet. I misintepreted something someone said on my blog. In the meantime you should contact PRC, Kaufman, Corbyn, Love, Slaughter and ask them.


Harvey

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 10:22

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Richard
You don't owe them an explanation . You owe them nothing


Jon.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 10:31

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Actually I think you owe £500 to the charity of my choice....

(Teasing)


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 10:57

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But Richard, that is what you DO. You make visual and audio recordings and publish them. Why did you bother recording the meeting if you didn't intend for anyone to hear it? That you might be accused of editing the material is always the case. That hasn't inhibited you in the past.


Advis3r

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:20

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"Yes, Advis3r, do please try to stay on topic. The topic was LYING!!!!!"

And you know lots about that don't you Mary? ;)


Advis3r

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:24

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RRZ "and his aversion to telling the truth" and you know lots about that don't you - or should I say Rich Armbach ;)


Advis3r

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:29

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Thank you Jon for letting us know what ad hominem means and if you would have scrolled down a bit further you would have seen this:

Doug Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

Since I have caught out both Mary and RRZ in lies - they are hypocrites and attacking them is not ad hominem.


Real Real Zionist

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:53

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Blackie/Anthony/mitalnech/jose/advsr you can call me Daphne for all I care.

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