More Vexatious Lies and Lawfare from the Israel Haters


By Jonathan Hoffman
June 19, 2012
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Last night I was at this meeting at the House of Commons:

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/68790/hamas-gets-a-hearing-house-commo...

Richard Millett will blog about the meeting in detail. Suffice it to say that both Jeremy Corbyn and Gerald Kaufman got their facts wrong. Corbyn did not seem to know that Israeli PM Netanyahu froze settlement building for ten months in November 2009 in the interests of peace but Mahmoud Abbas refused to come to the table. Kaufman seemed to think that the Co-Op has imposed a full boycott of goods from Israel. It has not - rather, it is refusing to do business with four companies who handle goods from Judea and Samaria.

But since when did they ever care about the facts ...

But the most astonishing part of the meeting happened at the end. The House of Commons police are always present outside the room for these meetings. As I left the room the policeman asked to speak to me. He told me that he had been told that I had said at the meeting that the MPs were supporting terrorism by allowing terrorist supporters into Parliament. Of course I said nothing of the sort (but so what if I had?). I only spoke once at the meeting - to point out Corbyn's error to him.

Of course I had no difficulty convincing the policeman that he had been fed a pack of lies - the police are used to this from the anti-Israel people.

Crude vexatious lawfare from the Israel haters. No surprise there then.....

Postscript - Richard's blog:

http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/mps-describe-palestinian-...

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Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:04

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Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:31

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"But since when did they ever care about the facts ..."

Probably around the same time as you.

Someone about whom it has been accurately written " At an early age he revealed an aversion to telling the truthand embarked upon a life of deception. He is infantile. His lies are smeared all over his face, like ice cream on the face of a child " should stay off the subject of vexatious lies.

" The Muslim Brotherhood have assured the Egyptian people that they will boycott everything emanating from the Jewish people after the elections "

" I have only heckled at three meetings in 56 years "

" Mick Davis used his money to shut down debate on his opinions "


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:56

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Did Richard film the meeting? Presumably that will prove/disprove what you say...


zaheerayin

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:12

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Jon, I think the point being made is regardless of what did or did not happen at last night's meeting, Jonathan, with his record, really should not be screaming liar at anyone.


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:23

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"Of course I had no difficulty convincing the policeman that he had been lied to ....."

Jonathan, does this policeman know about your record as referred to by Zaheer?


Hannah

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:40

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Thanks for that other link. It is nice to see that Mr. Davis and others are working to establish an understanding among the various parties with an interest in the problem This, obviously, is a prerequisite for arriving at a solution.

I can't, for the life of me, understand what all this King Kong style chest beating does for Israel.


happygoldfish

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:44

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Real Real Zionist: Someone about whom it has been accurately written " At an early age he revealed an aversion to telling the truthand embarked upon a life of deception. He is infantile. His lies are smeared all over his face, like ice cream on the face of a child " should stay off the subject of vexatious lies.

that was by yossi sarid in haaretz recently, about lebanon war israeli chief of staff rafael "raful" eitan, see http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-article/1-216-dead-who-bears-the-guil...

why are you suddenly mentioning rafael eitan?

why are you falsely suggesting it was written about jonathan?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:21

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hahahahaha

Happy, I was expecting you on this one. It is as well that you are a goldfish and not a coarse fish or a fish and chip type fish because you bite on every hook.

You need to read your Haaretz more carefully. Yossi said it about Sharon, not Eitan.

I said it about Hoffman.

Fits like a glove, don't you think?


richmillett

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:34

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Honestly, why don't you lot go off and bully someone else instead of cowardly hiding behind your made up names. It was all lies.


happygoldfish

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:45

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Real Real Zionist: You need to read your Haaretz more carefully. Yossi said it about Sharon, not Eitan.

no he didn't, read it again

Real Real Zionist: I said it about Hoffman.

no, you didn't just say it about him,

you falsely claimed it had been written about him

Real Real Zionist: Fits like a glove, don't you think?

it might "fit like a glove" about the person it was originally written about, by someone who knew him very well

you can't take quotes that belong to other people and still expect us to believe that they're accurate about someone you hardly know

there are anti-zionists who believe they can write whatever lies they like, so long as it's about israel

there are bloggers here who believe they can write whatever vexatious lies they like, so long as it's about jonathan


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:52

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What is all lies Richard ?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:56

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I have read it again and again, he said it about Sharon.

Not true I wrote it about him.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:57

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Richard you know my name. It is that made up name happygoldfish you should be worrying about


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:06

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And Richard, its not bullying. Its trying to fact check someone who has consistently made erroneous statements to push a particular viewpoint. You were at the event and presumably videos it. Can you confirm what Jonathan is saying. Did he only speak once, to correct Jeremy Corbyn's 'error'?


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:12

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rich you seen that psychiatrist yet? Your obsession with Jonathan Hoffman is bordering on the maniacal.


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:16

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Happygoldfish, you really are a case. It has indeed been written about him. See here...http://hoffmanchronicled.wordpress.com/about/


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:22

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Chris - you linking to that site again - about the level of your intelligence seeing that your earlier links moderated are you insane enough to believe this latest will not?


zaheerayin

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:23

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Speaking of bullying an archbully and liar is somewhat ......well, think up your own word.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:23

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Just trying to make the world a better place Jose


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:28

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Jon there are a pack of you bullying Jonathan Hoffman with the sole purpose of trying to close down debate. None of you ever deal with the issue mentioned in the blog but instead mount malicious attacks on the integrity of Mr Hoffman and then complain when he deletes your "contributions" as if anyone but yourselves are interested in what you think. Now you are even attacking HappyGoldfish. Pathetic.


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:36

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rich add narcissist to maniacal


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:50

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Jose it is all on topic. The topic is vexatious lies. Look at the heading.


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:02

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Off topic, rich, the vexatious lies were those uttered by Kaufman and Corbyn - or do you claim that they as Members of Parliament are not obliged to tell the truth?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:12

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Well accusations of vexatious lying by a proven habitual vexatious liar need to be be treated circumspectly. Do you not agree ?


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:22

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Advi3r how am I either part of a 'pack' or attacking HG? I've just asked Jonathan (and latterly Richard) essentially to 'cite sources' Given Jonathan's record of disruption at events, I find it hard to believe his version of this particularly when he says that he "only spoke once at the meeting" .

However, if it can be backed up evidentially then I'll be more than happy.


richmillett

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:31

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Jon. how can one "cite sources" of something that hasn't happened? I will leave you to try and prove it but you will be wasting your time. Good luck though.


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:36

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Hi Rich.

Thanks, presumably you were with Jonathan at the meeting and can back up fully his interpretation of events? DId Jonathan only speak once at the meeting?

Did you film the meeting as you usually do? Perhaps putting this footage online would allow people to verify Jonathan's assertion above.

Thanks.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:28

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It is not just his record of disrupting events but also his advocating of disrupting events, and his aversion to telling the truth. Since we seem to have no disinterested witness or other verifying evidence we can only put this in the highly suspicious file and move on.

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richmillett

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:44

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;om. I was banned from filming despite others being allowed to film. I recorded it. Anyway I was there. He said nothing of the sort. It is all lies. They even tried to stop him entering the meeting claiming he had never emailed to register, which he said he did.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:54

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Richard don't go all sulky on us.

If you will hang out with racist, extremist,habitual vexatious liars...


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:57

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Hi Rich

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm sure you'll agree that Jonathan does have a history of being disruptive at meetings (whether one agrees or disagrees with this tactic.is for another discussion) so it would be good to get confirmation that Jonathan did in fact only speak once at the meeting. Were you planning to post your audio recording online?


happygoldfish

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:06

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Advis3r: the vexatious lies were those uttered by Kaufman and Corbyn

actually, no, jonathan's allegation (of vexatious lies) is not against kaufman and corbyn, it is against whoever lied to the police, on this and other occasions

hmm … looks like the indentation of the last 16 posts is my fault … i forgot to close an "indent" … let's see if this cures it

oooh, it did! whoopeeee!

Chris Tucker: It has indeed been written about him. See here...http…

oh really, you're relying once again on that website (i won't link to it) which is deliberately run with the sole purpose of publishing lies and half-truths to disparage jonathan?

on that website, those words are also presented as a quote

ie they are on the "about" page, at the very top, and between quotation marks to suggest that they are quoted from some reputable source

the simple fact is that rrz (or one of his friends) made up the quote (based on yossi sarid), and is vexatiously repeating it as if it was from an independent source

nobody has ever written those words about jonathan, except for the "usual suspects" on thejc.com

indeed, nobody even thought this about jonathan until about two weeks ago, since that is the first time yossi sarid said it (about someone else)!!

hmm … i wonder whether i can turn everybody's posts

red?


richmillett

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:12

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Jon. I am not going to post the audio as it proves nothing. It will just be claimed that he said it at another point in the evening. That said there were numerous other people filming and there were camera crews. If he said it it would have been on youtube by now. Furthermore, I received an email from a hardcore anti-Zionist activist about the event, which i might publish, which refers to Jonathan's question on the settlements. Had Jonathan mentioned what has been suggested it would also have been in the email. As i said, it is all lies.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:15

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Excuse me I am a reputable source


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:20

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Get real happy do you want me to get together a compendium of Jonny's lies ?

And Richard it is not like you to be reluctant to post an audio.

Happy can you give us examples of these lies and half truths ? Your credibility is at stake here, do make an effort.


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:22

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RIch, you misunderstand. I'm asking how many times Jonathan spoke at the meeting. He says that he only spoke once and I was wondering if this was accurate Given that Jonathan is traditionally a vocal contributor to many meetings he attends, I find this hard to believe. Posting your audio recording would perhaps clear that up.


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:24

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Happygoldfish have you not yourself caught Jonathan out lying on more than a few occasions ?


Jon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:01

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Just to check, its nearly 5. Is someone keeping a copy of this thread?


Hannah

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:15

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Wait a minute...;om. I was banned from filming despite others being allowed to film. I recorded it. Anyway I was there. He said nothing of the sort. It is all lies. They even tried to stop him entering the meeting claiming he had never emailed to register, which he said he did.

Wot?


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:37

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Yes, Jon.

Richard seems to have a dose of the fleas.


Harvey

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:40

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Jonathan
I'm not sure why you are astonished at their behaviour
. The psc /bds are straight from the Marxist school of counter propaganda and agit prop .
They are well versed in the use of subterfuge , defamation and mendacity .
Of course they tried to get you banned and when this failed they make lying , vexatious complaints to the police .
We've all experienced it at one time or another .
However , the police are wise to it . When certain members of the psc make spurious claims , the police are already aware of what to expect .
This is what the cultists down at psc Poliburo have been weaned on .


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:41

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Richard, I am thinking that unless you find yourself some less unsavory companions, your filming days may well be over.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:44

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How did the PSC get into this?


Harvey

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:49

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Even Finklestein labelled the bds / psc a cult .
However he forgot to mention their institutionalise antisemitism .
But we don't forget . Especially their embedded holocaust deniers who require an EGM in order to remove with 20% of the electorate voting against expulsion .
Still at least they still have the Nk , friends of the BNP to cosy up to at their next circus event ,


Harvey

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:54

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It's a great deal more relevant than some of your absurdities regarding Goldfishmoniker .


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:59

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Again, how did the PSC get into this?


Advis3r

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:03

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HappyGoldfish - Kaufman is stated to have commented that the Co-Op was boycotting all Israeli goods it is not - is that not a lie?

Corbyn omitted to mention that Netanyahu put into effect a 10 month settlement freeze - a lie by omission.


happygoldfish

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 09:06

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Advis3r: Kaufman is stated to have commented that the Co-Op was boycotting all Israeli goods it is not - is that not a lie?
Corbyn omitted to mention that Netanyahu put into effect a 10 month settlement freeze - a lie by omission.

jonathan does not claim it as a lie by kaufman, only as a mistake

Jonathan Hoffman: both Jeremy Corbyn and Gerald Kaufman got their facts wrong. Corbyn did not seem to know … Kaufman seemed to think …

jonathan's claim, and the topic of this blog as advertised in the title is that anti-zionists have been making "lawfare" by vexatious lies to the police


richmillett

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 09:28

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Jon. i can confirm he only spoke once. If you don't believe me then email Gerald Kaufman who was chairing. Jonathan doesn't disrupt meetings, he just speaks up. I am also accused of constantly disrupting meetings and making racist insults aimed at speakers and members of an audience, but, just like the accusations made to the police the other night, it is all lies.


Advis3r

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 09:50

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HappyGoldfish you are putting words into my mouth. Did I say Jonathan Hoffman claimed they were telling vexatious lies? I claimed they are vexatious lies - see 13:02 on 20 June.

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