Lord Sacks Wows AIPAC With Terrific Speech


By Jonathan Hoffman
March 17, 2013
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Beloved friends, I’m actually only here to give you a change of accents; I just hope you don’t need simultaneous translation. (Laughter.) But I’m here as part of an English delegation to give you the view from Europe. And the view from Europe is that AIPAC is something out of this world. It is just amazing.

Friends, it reminds me, if I can just you this story, lovely story about Yossi, an Israeli, who opened a falafel bar in Golders Green. Golders Green is the English Brooklyn. And Yossi’s falafel bar was one day visited by the tax inspector who was reading through his books and he was saying, Mr. Yossi, this falafel of yours, this is a kind of Jewish takeaway; am I right?

And Yossi, with a big smile, says, yes. The tax inspector says, Mr. Yossi, I understand where you’ve written down as expenses rent, electricity, materials; but why have you written down under business expenses two trips to Miami and three trips to Tel Aviv? And Yossi, with a big smile, said, that’s easy; we deliver! (Laughter.)

Friends, AIPAC, you deliver. You deliver—(applause)—a strong Israel and a strong Jewish people. May God bless you and may you continue to bless the people in the state of Israel.

Friends, I want to tell you how things are looking like in Europe today. When I was a child, there was one line in the Haggadah that I never understood. [Hebrew.] It was not one alone who stood against us. [Hebrew.] But in every generation they did so. And always as a child I used to say, that belongs to my parents’ generation; not to us; not to us born after the Holocaust. I grew up; in all my life I never experienced a single incident of anti-Semitism until 11 years ago.

Eleven years ago, our youngest daughter, who was studying at a British university, came home in tears. She had been at an anti-globalization rally which quickly turned into a tirade first against America, then against Israel, then against Jews. And with tears in her eyes she said, Dad, they hate us. That is a terrible situation, but it’s reality in Europe today.

In the last two weeks there have been stories about the rise of anti-Semitic incidents in France by 58 percent in a single year; in Belgium, 30 percent; in Denmark, doubled in the space of three years. In England—in France and Italy, English football supporters were attacked not because they were Jews but because they were supporting a football team many of whose supporters happened to be Jews. And I don’t know whether you read this—I’m sure you did—last Wednesday the Turkish president, Mr. Erdogan, called Zionism a “crime against humanity.”

I have to tell you that what we grew up with, “never again,” is beginning to sound like “ever again.” And at the heart of it is hostility to Israel. Of course, not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. But make no mistake what has happened.

In the Middle Ages Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th century and the 20th, they were hated because of their race. Today, when it’s no longer done to hate people for their religion or their race, today they are hated because of their state. The reason changes, but the hate stays the same. Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism. (Applause.)

And friends, I’ve come here to tell you that I believe the example of AIPAC must now inform Jewish communities around Europe, because we have to stand up and fight and we have to stand up and win. Friends, anti-Zionism is today rife throughout the world. All our students on campuses know about it. And what is our crime? What is Israel’s crime? It’s that we have chutzpah.

Let me tell you the chutzpah we have. After all, there are 56 Islamic states, there are 125 nations whose majority is Christian, and now Jews want a state of their own. How dare they? And it’s so big. Friends, you know how big Israel is?

There’s a lovely park in a little corner of South Africa. I don’t know if you’ve ever been there. It’s a sort of wild game reserve where you can see lions and giraffes and elephants and hippopotamuses—or hippopotami, depending on whether or not they’ve had a classical education. (Laughter.) It is called the Kruger National Park.

Friends, Israel is the same size as Kruger National Park. How dare they want something that big? Don’t Jews by now know that their role in history is to be scattered, dispersed, homeless, and defenseless? And now they want a space where they can defend themselves. How dare they? Friends, we dare because we are human. We dare because to be denied the right to self-defense is to be treated as less than human. Mr. Erdogan, it is anti-Zionism that is a crime against humanity. (Applause.)

How—how much longer—(applause)—how much longer must the Jewish people have to fight for the right to be? Let me tell you, friends, what is Israel. Elaine and I have just come back; just 10 days ago we were on a series of missions in Israel. And let us remind you what we saw, what you saw, what everyone sees but the world does not see.

We saw school after school and youth village after youth village where children at-risk or children from dysfunctional or abusive families are taken and given the care that will give them hope and a future in life. We saw youth villages where Ethiopian children are given the means suddenly to make that leap across centuries and cultures and find their own excellence. We saw the power of love to transform lives.

We saw hospitals. I don’t know if you’ve been recently to the Rambam Hospital in Haifa. In Haifa, the Rambam Hospital is building the world’s largest underground hospital, proof against bombs, missiles, chemical and biological weapons, so that when Israel’s enemies decide to destroy lives, they will continue saving them.

We saw the new Bar-Ilan Medical Center in Safed, set up to bring the finest possible medical treatment. Who to? Only to Jews? No. To Muslims, to Christians, to Druze villages throughout the Galil, because to be a Jew in Israel means you care for every life; every life is sacred. (Applause.)

We saw the Laniado Hospital in the Netanya, a place I always visit because it moves me almost beyond words. Many of you know the Laniado Hospital was built by the Klausenburger Rebbe, a survivor of Auschwitz who during the Holocaust lost his wife and all 11 children. And there in the camps of death made an oath that if he should ever survive he would dedicate the rest of his life to saving life.

That is what I see in Israel. Every time I visit Israel I find among Israelis, secular or religious, an absolute unswerving dedication to Moshe Rabbenu’s great command Uvacharta Bachayim, “Choose life.” Israel is the sustained defiance of hatred and power in the name of life because we are the people who sanctify life. (Applause.)

Friends, in the last decade the equation has changed. Today the struggle against Israel is no longer just against Israel. Today what is at stake in Israel’s survival is the future of freedom itself. Because make no mistake, this will be the defining battle of the 21st century which will prevail: the will to power with its violence, terror, missiles, and bombs; or the will to life with its hospitals, schools, freedoms, and rights. Believe you me, I have the privilege of knowing.

See, Christians, Hindus, Sheiks, moderate Muslims, and I tell you from my experience Israel is a source of inspiration not just to us but to them as well, because it tells every single person on the face of the earth that you don’t have—a nation doesn’t have to be large to be great. A nation doesn’t have to be rich in natural resources to prosper.

Israel has been surrounded by enemies and yet it has shown that even so you can still be a democracy, still have a free press, still have an independent judiciary. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where a Palestinian can stand up on national television and criticize the government and the next day still be a free human being. (Applause.)

Israel is an inspiration to the world. And since we spend a certain amount of our time traveling around the world, we see this only too richly. I still have—because once upon a time Hong Kong had a little bit to do the—with the British Empire. We lost Hong Kong. We lost the Empire Visca Maton [ph]. I’m not so pleased about you lot either; 1776, don’t think we’ve forgotten. But still. (Laughter.)

And so it was one of my visits to Hong Kong after the handover, I went to see Mr. Tung Chee Hwa, the Beijing appointment as head of Hong Kong. And I tell you this man, this Chinese appointment, was a lover of Jews and Judaism and Israel. He said to me, you know, your people and my people are very old people. You’ve been around 6,000 years; we’ve been around 5,000 years. Tell me, I always wanted to know, what did you do for the first thousand years before you had Kosher Chinese takeaways? (Laughter.)

I said, Mr. Tung, you want to know what we did for the first thousand years? We complained about the food. (Laughter.) And Mr. Tung said to me, I want to go and visit Israel because I see that as the model of development for here. And he did go two or three months later and came back absolutely inspired. And I went straight to the Israeli ambassador in London and said, look how the world has changed. There was a time when Israel dreamed about being the Hong Kong of the Middle East; today Hong Kong dreams, halevai, we should be the Israel of the Far East. (Applause.)

Friends, we have people who do strange things in Britain. Three years ago, I don’t know if you read this in the papers, the British atheists paid a fortune for London buses to carry a logo saying “probably—” puh-puh-puh “– there is no god.” Did you read about this? Actually all the London buses, “There’s probably no god.”

So I wrote about this. You know, that’s a very interesting word, “probably.” After all, how probable is it that the universe should exist? How probable is it that life should exist? How probable is it that out of all the 3 million life forms on the—on the planet Earth, only one, us, is capable of asking the question “why”? Nothing interesting is remotely probable.

And then I said, think about the Jewish people. How probably is it that one man, Abraham, who commanded no empire, ordered no army, performed no miracle, delivered no prophecy, should today without doubt be the most influential man who ever lived, who’s claimed as the spiritual ancestor by 2.4 billion Christians, 1.6 billion Muslims, and most of you in the room today? (Laughter.)

How probable is it that this tiny people, the Jewish people, numbering less than one-fifth of 1 percent of the population of the world, should have outlived—as you just heard—the world’s greatest empires—the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Romans—every empire that ever stood up to destroy us, they are being consigned to history and still we stand and sing “Am Yisrael Chai”?

How likely is it—(applause)—that after 2,000 years of exile our people should have come back to our land and there in—having stood eyeball to eyeball in Auschwitz a mere three years earlier, eyeball to eyeball with the Angel of Death, in 1948 said, despite the worst crime of man against man, lo amut kiechyeh—I will not die but I will live? Israel is the greatest collective affirmation of life in the whole of Jewish history. (Applause.)

Friends, Judaism is the defeat of probability by the power of possibility. And nowhere will you see the power of possibility more than in the state of Israel today. Israel has taken a barren land and made it bloom again. Israel has taken an ancient language, the language of the Bible, and make it speak again. Israel has taken the West’s oldest faith and made it young again. Israel has taken a shattered nation and make it live again.

Friends, let us not rest until Israel’s light shines throughout the world, the world’s great symbol of life and hope. Amen. (Applause.)

COMMENTS

suzanna

Wed, 03/20/2013 - 16:34

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happygoldfish

Wed, 03/20/2013 - 17:34

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suzanna: Welcome to Apartheid, Obama

americans like obama who are very familiar with racism do not see apartheid in israel!

they do see racist palestinians passing a law imposing capital punishment for selling land to a jew

they do see racist palestinians launching rockets against purely civilian targets several tmes a day, almost daily

they do even see racist palestinians throwing rocks at children, and israel's need to defend itself

from last friday's israel national news

Brig. Gen. Haggai Mordechai, visited the Biton family Friday at Schneider Hospital in Petach Tikva, where baby Adelle Biton is fighting for her life after a terror rock attack Thursday.
Adelle's mother and two sisters, Naama (6) and Avigail (4), were also wounded moderately to seriously in the terror attack.
…Adelle, who is in critical condition, was taken into the operating theater Friday and doctors are trying to save her life.

happygoldfish

Thu, 03/21/2013 - 18:55

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here is the official (federal news service) full transcript of president obama's speech in jerusalem today: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/world/middleeast/transcript-of-obamas-...

joemillis1959: The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

He may claim he's not, but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 09:30

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joemillis1959: The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: He may claim he's not, but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence.

uhh??

did any of the others know how to produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


Advis3r

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 09:46

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Oh dear Joe your Stalinist tendencies coming to the forefront again! Banning free speech. You should check Happy Goldfish has been around for a long time maybe it is you who should be banned for harassing and cyber-bullying someone who obviously doesn't hold your views just because he/she does not?


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 09:46

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research resource: here are the extracts of president obama's speech in jerusalem yesterday (21/3/2013) that appear relevant to the peace process:

i've highlighted the passages that seem to me the most important (on both sides) … btw, the first one can of course be taken to refer to the palestinians as well as to the israelis

(p.2)…
And that’s why I believe that Israel is rooted not just in history and tradition but also in a simple and profound idea: the -- the idea that people deserve to be free in a land of their own.
(p3)…
When I consider Israel’s security, I think about children like Osher Twito, who I met in Sderot. (Applause.) Children, the same age as my own daughters, who went to bed at night fearful that a rocket would land in their bedroom simply because of who they are and where they live. (Applause.)
That reality is why we’ve invested in the Iron Dome system, to save countless lives, because those children deserve to sleep better at night. (Cheers, applause.)
That’s why we’ve made it clear time and again that Israel cannot accept rocket attacks from Gaza, and we have stood up for Israel’s right to defend itself. (Cheers, applause.) And that’s why Israel has a right to expect Hamas to renounce violence and recognize Israel’s right to exist. (Cheers, applause.)
(p.4)… And that brings me to the subject of peace. (Applause.)
I know Israel has taken risks for peace. Brave leaders -- Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Rabin -- reached treaties with two of your neighbors. You made credible proposals to the Palestinians at Annapolis. You withdrew from Gaza and Lebanon and then faced terror and rockets. Across the region, you’ve extended a hand of friendship, and all too often you’ve been confronted with rejection and, in some cases, the ugly reality of anti-Semitism. So I believe that the Israeli people do want peace, and I also understand why too many Israelis, maybe an increasing number, maybe a lot of young people here today, are skeptical that it can be achieved.
(p,5)But today, Israel is at a crossroads. It can be tempting to put aside the frustrations and sacrifices that come with the pursuit of peace, particularly when Iron Dome repels rockets, barriers keep out suicide bombers, there are so many other pressing issues that demand your attention. And I know that only Israelis can make the fundamental decisions about your country’s future. (Applause.) I recognize that.
I also know, by the way, that not everyone in this hall will agree with what I have to say about peace. I recognize that there are those who are not simply skeptical about peace, but question its underlying premise, have a different vision for Israel’s future. And that’s part of a democracy. That’s part of the discourse between our two countries. I recognize that. But I also believe it’s important to be open and honest, especially with your friends. (Applause.) I also believe that.
You know, politically, given the strong bipartisan support for Israel in America, the easiest thing for me to do would be to put this issue aside, just express unconditional support for whatever Israel decides to do. That would be the easiest political path. But I want you to know that I speak to you as a friend who is deeply concerned and committed to your future, and I ask you to consider three points.
First, peace is necessary. (Cheers, applause.) I believe that. I believe that peace is the only path to true security. You can be -- (applause) -- you have the opportunity to be the generation that permanently secures the Zionist dream, or you can face a growing challenge to its future. Given the demographics west of the Jordan River, the only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable Palestine.
(Cheers, applause.) That is true. (Sustained cheers, applause.)
There are other factors involved. Given the frustration in the international community about this conflict, Israel needs to reverse an undertow of isolation. And given the march of technology, the only way to truly protect the Israeli people over the long term is through the absence of war, because no wall is high enough and no Iron Dome is strong enough or perfect enough to stop every enemy -- (applause) -- that is intent on doing so from inflicting harm. (Applause.)
And this truth is more pronounced given the changes sweeping the Arab world. I understand that with the uncertainty in the region, people in the streets, changes in leadership, the rise of nonsecular parties in politics, it’s tempting to turn inward because the situation outside of Israel seems so chaotic. But this is precisely the time to respond to the wave of revolution with a resolve and commitment for peace, because -- (applause) -- as more governments respond to popular will, the days when Israel could seek peace simply with a handful of autocratic leaders -- those days are over.
Peace will have to be made among peoples, not just governments. (Applause.) No one -- no single step can change overnight what lies in the hearts and minds of millions. No single step is going to erase years of history and propaganda. But progress with the Palestinians is a powerful way to begin, while sidelining extremists who thrive on conflict and thrive on division. It would make a difference. (Cheers, applause.)
So peace is necessary. But peace is also just. Peace is also just. There is no question that Israel has faced Palestinian factions who turn to terror, leaders who missed historic opportunities. That is all true. And that’s why security must be at the center of any agreement. (Scattered applause.) And there is no question that the only path to peace is through negotiations, which is why, despite the criticism we’ve received, the United States will oppose unilateral -- unilateral efforts to bypass negotiations through the United Nations. (Applause.) It has to be done by the parties.
(p.6)But the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination, their right to justice must also be recognized. (Cheers, applause.) And put yourself in their shoes. Look at the world through their eyes.
It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of their own --
(cheers, applause) -- living their entire lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements, not just of those young people but their parents, their grandparents, every single day. It’s not just when settler violence against Palestinians goes unpunished. (Applause.) It’s not right to prevent Palestinians from farming their lands or restricting a student’s ability to move around the West Bank -- (applause) -- or displace Palestinian families from their homes. Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer. (Cheers, applause.) Just as Israelis built a state in their homeland, Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land. (Applause.)

Now, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who’s dedicated to its destruction. (Applause.) But while I know you have had differences with the Palestinian Authority, I genuinely believe that you do have a true partner in President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad. (Applause.) I believe that. And they have a track record to prove it. Over the last few years, they have built institutions and maintained security on the West Bank in ways that few could have imagined just a few years ago. So many Palestinians, including young people, have rejected violence as a means of achieving their aspirations.
There is an opportunity there. There is a window …

Negotiations will be necessary, but there’s little secret about where they must lead: two states for two peoples -- (applause) -- two states for two peoples. (Cheers, applause.)
(p.7)…
Now’s the time for the Arab world to take steps towards normalizing relations with Israel. (Applause.)
Meanwhile, Palestinians must recognize that Israel will be a Jewish state and that Israelis have the right to insist upon their security. (Applause.)
Israelis must recognize that continued settlement activity is counterproductive to the cause of peace and that an independent Palestine must be viable, with real borders that have to be drawn. (Cheers, applause.) I’ve suggested principles on territory and security that I believe can be the basis for these talks. …

Advis3r

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 09:57

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I see the nutjob suzanna is at it again. Yes apartheid Israel with a black Miss Israel, a Druze Brigadier in the IDF, an Arab Judge in the Supreme Court etc etc - you complete nonentity! Suggest freak that you find out what "apartheid" means before you start bandying it about. Oh and if you start going on about the segregated buses the fact is that extra work permits have been provided for Palestinians to work in Israel there simply were not enough buses and so the workers got ripped off by their taxi-owning brothers. To assist them extra buses were laid on to get them to work for your information no law abiding Arab or Jew for that matter is refused entry onto an Israeli bus - but of course mentally challenged Israel haters like yourself call this segregation.


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 10:43

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my reply again

joemillis1959: The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: He may claim he's not, but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence.

uhh??

did any of the others know how to produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 13:30

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joemillis1959: The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 14:00

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my (new) reply again

joemillis1959: (13:38)The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 14:11

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my (new) reply again

joemillis1959: (14:09)The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (14:09)He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


Rich Armbach

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 14:16

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I am the world's leading authority on Jose,goldfish and women and I am here today to tell you....

happy is

a) female

b) not a goldfish

and

c) not Jose.

While every incarnation of Jose is an idiot not every idiot is Jose.


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 15:56

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my (new) reply again

joemillis1959: (14:12 & 15:41)The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (14:12 & 15:41)He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:26

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my (new) reply again

joemillis1959: (16:12)The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (16:12)He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


happygoldfish

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:36

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joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
here's my (new) reply again

joemillis1959: (16:28)The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (16:28)He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

uhh??

did any of the others actually produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe miliis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned


Mary in Brighton

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:07

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You two are making Jonathan look good


happygoldfish

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 10:38

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there are racists on this website who think there is nothing wrong with lying, so long as they are criticising israel, or criticising people who defend israel

they decide what they want to be true, and then say it anyway, in the absence of any evidence other than their own prejudice, and often contrary to the actual evidence

one reason why so few people defend israel on thejc.com … compared with other sites such as the guardian's "comment is free" … is the unchecked lying or bullying that they'll sooner or later be subjected to


happygoldfish

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 11:48

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joemillis1959: (Mon, 10:53) He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy colourful backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

some historians are motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with their own beliefs even if that involves distortion and manipulation of evidence

joe millis is the author of an illustrated history of jerusalem

if his approach to evidence as a historian is as reliable as in his accusation against me, then his book may be an excellent buy as a work of fiction, or as a children's picture book, but cannot seriously be considered as a reliable research resource


Rich Armbach

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 17:01

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"there are racists on this website who think there is nothing wrong with lying, so long as they are criticising israel, or criticising people who defend israel"

If you don't have the cojones to name these racists you can hardly be surprised if folks don't take you seriously when you refer to them.


joemillis1959

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 17:28

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It seems everyone who disagrees with Goldfish/Jose/AnthonyPosner/etc is a racist. Funny that, because Jose always used the same tactic.


joemillis1959

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 17:29

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JMBC 100: The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.


He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy colourful backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence, such as accusing anyone who disagrees with it of being a racist. Just ignore him.


joemillis1959

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 17:40

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Chag out of "Oh Bondage, Up Yours" Sameach, Y'all

This is great


Rich Armbach

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:38

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Mega Hasborafia fail. bye bye EUMC " WORKING DEFINITION "

http://www.ucu.org.uk/6562


Rich Armbach

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:38

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"The claimant had been supported in his claim by leading lawyer Anthony Julius. In giving their reasoning the Tribunal stated that 'the proceedings are dismissed in their totality' and 'we greatly regret that the case was ever brought. At heart it represents an impermissible attempt to achieve a political end by litigious means.'"


Rich Armbach

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"John Mann MP and former MP Denis MacShane were collectively described as giving 'glib evidence, while testimony of another key witness*for the claimant was described as 'extraordinarily arrogant but also disturbing'."

*Jeremy Newmark


Rich Armbach

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:53

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"The Tribunal also described themselves as troubled by the implications of the claim, stating that 'underlying it we sense a worrying disregard for pluralism, tolerance and freedom of expression, principles which the courts and tribunals are, and must be, vigilant to protect'."


Rich Armbach

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:54

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"While witnesses for UCU were described in the tribunal's decision as 'careful and accurate', some witnesses for the claimant were described as appearing to 'misunderstand the nature of the proceedings and more disposed to score points or play to the gallery rather than providing straightforward answers to the clear questions put to them'."


Ben F

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 17:53

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Looks like Anthony Julius bought into his sense of his own invincibility.


zaheerayin

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 17:58

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Well I don't think it's going to do a great deal for his career!


Rich Armbach

Wed, 03/27/2013 - 17:25

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Para 148 of the judgment

"We regret to say that we have rejected as untrue the evidence of Ms. Ashworth and Mr. Newmark concerning the incident at the 2008 Congress."

Does this mean that Jeremy Newmark is .....

The para continues

"Evidence given to us about booing, jeering, and harassing at Congress debates was also false, as truthful witnesses on the claimant's side accepted. One painfully ill-judged example of playing to the gallery was Mr. Newmark's preposterous claim, in answer to the suggestion in cross examination that he had attempted to push his way into the 2008 meeting that a "pushy Jew" stereotype was being applied to him."

Truthful witnesses for the complainant ? Does this mean others were not truthful ?


zaheerayin

Wed, 03/27/2013 - 17:34

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Busted, huh?


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 03/27/2013 - 17:58

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Are we talking perjury here ?


Advis3r

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 13:47

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Troll feeding frenzy. Yawn!


joemillis1959

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:10

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It's a hugely serious allegation to accuse someone of perjury, especially if that person is a high ranking official in a major, if not the major, Jewish communal organisation.

I wonder if he's going to resign or be asked to leave his position. Or he may appeal to clear his name.


Rich Armbach

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:03

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Since he wasn't a party to the action but merely a witness the question of appealing doesn't arise. I guess resigning is his only option. Maybe Jonno might honour us with his take on the situation ?


happygoldfish

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:05

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joemillis1959: … he may appeal to clear his name.

a witness can't appeal

Rich Armbach: bye bye EUMC " WORKING DEFINITION "

no, the correctness of the eumc "working definition" of antisemitism (now replaced by the slightly longer ottawa protocol of the …) was not considered by the tribunal

it features only in paragraphs 52 74 134 135 and 166 of the judgment

52. … the Claimant bases his case in part on the rejection by the Respondents' Congress (in 2011) of the 'Working Definition' of anti-Semitism … We cannot escape the gloomy thought that a definition acceptable to all interested parties may never be achieved and count ourselves fortunate that it does not fall to us to attempt to devise one.
74. Motion 70, which was also passed, expressed the view that the EUMC 'Working Definition of anti-Semitism' confused criticism of Israeli government policy and actions with "genuine" anti-Semitism and was being used to silence debate about Israel and Palestine on university and college campuses. Accordingly, the motion resolved that the union should make no further use of the Working Definition and dissociate itself from it, campaigning for open debate concerning Israel's past history and current policy while continuing to combat all forms of racial or religious discrimination.
134. We have already referred to Motion 70 passed at the 2011 Congress (see our findings under complaint (1) above). The motion was democratically passed in accordance with the Respondents' rules. Jewish members spoke and against the motion.
135. [ merely reproduces the 'Working Definition']
166. In respect of Complaint (9) the Claimant again fails to make out any arguable complaint of 'unwanted' conduct against the Respondents. There was a debate, constitutionally managed by them, which culminated in the vote to reject the EUMC Working Definition. It was open to Congress to consider that motion. Its legality was not in question. The vote was valid and the outcome was the product of the union's democratic processes. The 'unwanted' conduct was that of the members who proposed and supported the motion and Congress as a whole which passed it. As we have already explained, no claim lies against the Respondents in respect of these actions. Nor was the Respondents' conduct 'related to' the Claimant's protected characteristics. Nor did their conduct produce the prescribed effect upon him. Nor would it have been reasonable for it to do so. And even if the Claimant could base his complaint on the decision of Congress to pass the motion and even if that decision produced the prescribed on him, it would not be reasonable for it to have done so. Our comments on context and human rights in relation to complaint (1) [paragraph 156] are repeated, mutatis mutandis.

… although the man-in-the-street may regard anything done by the ucu congress as done by the ucu, that is not the way the law sees it

the ucu is only liable for acts done by itself or its employees or agents … that does not include its ordinary members, and does not include the congress

it was therefore not necessary for the tribunal to consider whether congress' rejection of the 'working definition' constituted harassment, since congress was not being sued (and cannot be)

the tribunal further found that the effect on the claimant ('B') was not (and could not reasonably be) "of (i) violating B's dignity or (ii) creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B" (s. 26(1)(b) of the Equality Act 2010)

however, only the lack of such environment at the congress (meeting) itself is mentioned in the judgment

curiously, there is no mention of the claimant arguing that rejection of the 'working definition' had resulted in a hostile (etc) environment in individual universities


Rich Armbach

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:51

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Quite. But I wouldn't bet Hull City's chances of winning the Champions League in the " quietly " bit.


Rich Armbach

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:25

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Happy, your comment is mostly palpable nonsense, however, I am not going to be a pawn in your stupid leap frogging game. After a reasonable period, say 3 months, of good behaviour on your part, I may consider re-engaging.


joemillis1959

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:56

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So if he can't appeal, Richard, he's got to quit or be told to leave the premises quietly. Maybe it'll signal the end of the pointless JLC. Unfortunately it probably wont

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