Jewish Telegraph Editorial: Epitome of Cravenness

I don't often agree with Jerry Lewis, but if he did write this one, which I doubt, he is in this case quite correct. There are now individuals -- some of them publicity-seeking -- who give Israel advocacy a bad name, leaving others to clean up the mess they make.
And have these individuals ever achieved anything or caused anyone or institution to change his, her of its mind?
But being a broad, pluralistic and tolerant community, I suppose it behoves us to put up with these fringe groups.

Sure, the leadership has done a really great job. That's why London is the delegitimisation capital of the world.

That's because the leadership is having to clean up the mess caused by the fringe groups, which have achieved nothing except turning London into the "delegitimisation" capital of the world.
The leadership needs to dissociate itself from those fringe groups and let them go their merry way -- an alliance based on Likud-Herut UK, for instance, working its own way and trying to gain support in the free market of ideas.
Then we will see how strong these fringe groups really are.

Yeah right - without me and/or StandWithUs the PSC would not exist

You are really one perceptive guy .... Mensa must be beating a path to your door....

http://www.mensa.org.uk/

PSC would exist with or without you and StandWithUs. The issue is how to deal with them. They would be fringe and marginalised if it weren't for those who keep on thrusting them into the limelight by giving them publicity.
Have your tactics worked?

It goes without saying - but I will say it anyway - that I welcome StandWithUs and support everything they do in the UK and elsewhere.

Whichever 'trembling Jew' wrote this JT editorial epitomises the kind of craven shtadlanut which should have gone out with the Ark

http://cifwatch.com/2010/07/14/the-judge-who-thought-he-was-defence-coun...

Have my tactics worked? Absolutely. More than anyone else, I brought down Judge Bathurst-Norman, for example.

I am prepared to be judged on my record.

Let's see yours.

Of course you support StandWithUS because as you say: "They have never failed to support any of my initiatives."
But these initiatives of yours, what have they achieved? Has the number of people standingwithyou outside Ahava grown?
Do they come in droves to disrupt (sorry, ask questions at) PSC meetings?
Are the editorial staffs of the Guardian and Indy more receptive to Israel's case?
Is the BBC pro-Israel and adhering to the Baylen guidelines all of a sudden? Does Jeremy Bowen start every report now with a hearty rendition of Hatikva or Chayalim Almonim? Or even Anu Banu Artza?
People who disagree with you aren't trembling Jews, they just disagree with you and your tactics.

You didn't "bring down" Bathurst Norman (no hyphen). He's still a judge.
My record? I don't proclaim to be a super activist who claims he is the last word in getting Israel's message across. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/39096/anti-israel-activist-acquittal-j...

He was formally reprimanded and you can bet he will not be assigned to a similar case in the future.

And Guardian CIF has improved considerably since i started my campaign.

Like Lewis you are simply a 'naysayer' who thinks that sticking his head in the sand is the answer.

And I await an admission and apology for cyberstalking and hounding me as 'Telegram Sam'.

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Cyberstalking? Hounding? I've heard that that is used as an excuse when you have nothing to say or when you have lost an argument. If you think you are above debate, don't post. Simples.
CiF, if it's improved so much why the kvetching on CiFwatch? But if you believe it has improved...
People have had to dissociate themselves from your actions because of the mess they have caused.
And how many times do you have to be asked why the obsession with a T Rex song? I don't know what trauma it might have caused you, but get over it. It has nothing to do with me, guv.

Mr Millis I do not see you condemning the vicious attack on a peaceful pro-Israel protestor. Hitlers brown shirts were also a fringe group. We in Israel look on with complete dismay at how British Jewry have convinced themselves that dealing with the current vicious anti-Semitc atmosphere pervading University campuses in the UK can be dealt on a softly softly basis.You are not dealing with the genteel anti-Semitism of years gone by. The new anti-Semites are baying for Jewish blood and if you are blind to this not you but Jewish students who are frightened to exhibit any outward sign of their Jewishness and go in fear of physical attack are the ones who will suffer.
The pro-Israel protesters were standing at the university, with signs behind them pointing out that Israel is the opposite of an ‘apartheid’ country and calling for a peaceful two-state solution between Israelis and Palestinians. They peacefully discussed these issues with attendees, only once approached by people. The police had given them permission to be there.
Anti-Israel activists then engaged them in conversation. One man verbally assaulted them with anti-Semitic slurs, saying, “the best thing that Jews have ever done was to go into the gas chambers. It was the best thing to happen to Germany to have been cleaned of Jews. The same thing needs to happen in the Middle East.” Another anti-Israel activist then punched and bit a Jewish member of the group, who was hospitalized. This was an unprovoked attack. His attacker was later arrested by police.
Mr Lewis better wake up and smell the coffee although it probably is too late.

If peaceful Israel 'is the opposite of an ‘apartheid’ country and calling for a peaceful two-state solution between Israelis and Palestinians' why does it continue to build settlements in the West Bank?

The EU, the US and the Palestinians asked them to stop in the interests of furthering peace but Israel continues to evict Palestinians and build on occupied territory. How can that be in the interests of peace?

Advis3r, some of us don't march to either fringe groups' drum, so we don't feel the need to applaud this or condemn that willy-nilly. Some things go without saying.
One man was assaulted and another had anti-Semitic abuse hurled at him. That does not a Hiterite atmosphere make, because if it did, the settlers who shout Nazi at Israeli troops or "I wish Hitler had finished your family off" at left-wing demonstrators are making the same. Any condemnation from you of that?
And as you note, the venal attacker was arrested by the police. Hardly what a Hitlerite police would do.
But then again, I come to expect reductio as Hitlerium from fringe groups such as those represented at the LSE demo.

Why, if Israel, is far from an Apartheid state, are at least 40 Palestinians villages not recognised by Israel even though their inhabitants are Israeli citizens and why are Palestinians denied equity when it comes to water usage, for example?

Why are Bedouin villages routinely bulldozed?

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Do you condemn these vicious attacks against protestors?

Muhammad Jamal Muhammad al-Durrah, 12, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen and chest as his father tried to protect him during a demonstration at Netzarim Junction.

Khaled Adli Bassem al-Bazyan, 14, of Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen during a demonstration on the Nablus-Ramallah road.

Muhammad Nabil Daoud Hamad al-Abasi, 16, of al-Bireh, killed by IDF gunfire to his head during a demonstration at Ayosh Junction.

At least of they had been protesting in London they would be alive today.

Al-Durrah?

You mean this fraud?

http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&T...

You have exposed yourself yet again as a mendacious hater "Suzanna"

Why does the JC allow enemies of the Jewish people here?

Go back to Guardian CIF where you belong!

I thought you had forced Guardian CiF to improve, Jonathan. And get something done about those ad homs. They will always get you in trouble and that reflects on the real pro-Israel campaigners here.

suzanna - get your facts straight the Al Dura affair has shown to be a fake. You repeating it again and again does not make it the truth. Do you ever ask yourself Why the Arabs always ensure that children are present at violent demonstrations and are pushed to the front when violence errupts - would you take your child to a demonstration when you were told it was going to be violent?
Joe Millis - you obviously have not spoken to an identifiable Jewish student at say Leeds or Manchester Universities recently otherwise you would not write the nonsense you do. So the police arrested the two attackers at the SOAS - let us see what they do now. As for your whataboutery the actions of a few hotheads is contemptible and totally unacceptable I would hope they feel the same shame as they bring on any one who heard such words spoken about jews whatever the circumstances. Now you say the same about Abbas.

Here are some more for you to contest:

Samer Sami Ali al-Kusba, 15, of Kalandya refugee camp, died of head wounds sustained Jan. 19 from IDF gunfire during a demonstration.

Tamer Muhammad Hasan Kashour, 17, of East Jerusalem, died of head wounds sustained Jan. 25 from IDF gunfire during a demonstration.

Muna Sami Ataya al-Bajasa, 13, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with her mother, by IDF tank fire to her head during an incursion.

Bye bye Jonathan, got to go. Meeting the boyfriend.

(You look so cute in your little woolly hat by the way)

Queen of the renegade Jews ;)

Yawn - the fabrication goes on - anyone who can trumpet Al Dura has lost all credibility

No-one has time to probe your lies sweetheart...

Boyfriend? G-d help him ...

Boyfriend? G-d help him ...

Advis3r, so when Jews attack, it's "a few hotheads" - when Jews are attacked, by one venal twat, it's Hitlerism. And what does the Israeli police do with settlers when they attack, if they are allowed to arrest them?
I have spoken to Jewish students at Leeds and Manchester. They just wish outside groups wouldn't "help" them.

Uh oh. Jonathan's in another hole. Time to close this blog.

It's so sad really, because I don't think he knows how much damage he causes.

I see no condemnation of Abbas - speaks volumes. Come on Joe say that what Mr Abbas said was anti-Semitic.
Don't nitpick you know it was a few hotheads and you know I did not say one anti-Jewish scumhead equals hitlerism. I clearly meant as you well know that not confronting the PSC would be making the same mistake as not confronting the Brown Shirts when it was possible to do so compare this to when the Jews confronted the Black shirts in the East End - if you do not confront anti-Semitism whenever and wherever it raises its ugly head it will consume you..
On the other hand you wish to tar a whole population with the words of a few idiots who should have known better - that also speaks volumes for your visceral hatred for Jews who do not hold the same views as you do.
I see, the Jewish students you spoke to are quite happy that the Israeli consul due to anti-Israel violent protestors was unable to speak at Manchester University and that Mr Alderman was prevented from speaking at Queens University in Belfast?

Advis3r, it was stupid and played into the hands of the anti-peace mob. I don't march to your drum, and you are very quick to bring in reductio ad Hitlerium.
That was one venal twat at LSE. Cable Street was against very many venal twats, who had huge political support. Don't mix the two. Don't cry wolf.
Don't you think you are tarring a whole population with the words of a few idiots? I am merely holding up a mirror. Perhaps you don't like what you see. That in and of itself would be progress.
I don't hate Jews who hold diffrent view from my own. I'll leave the hatred to the "few hotheads".
The Jewish students were very angry about the treatment of the consul. It's the "help" from the likes of StandWithUs and other such groups they can do without.

So you just think what Abbas said was stupid you would probably therefore say that about a British politician who would say that Jews should not be living in Golders Green after all it is playing into the hands of the jewish lobby. Why should it be stupid to say jews should not live in their homeland but anti-Semitic to prevent Jews from living in Golders Green?

Unfortunately what the person who said all Jews in the Middle East should face the same fate as the Jews who perished in the Holocaust was symptomatic. The fact that someone feels so emboldened to say something which twenty or even ten years ago would have been unthinkable should make you more than just concerned at what is happening. As to political support just listen to Jenny Tonge and Jeremy Corbyn to name but two - it's all there for you to see and hear.

The writer of this editorial is one stupid person. So what if 'they were not members of SOAS'? The antisemites were not members of SOAS either.

Craven does not begin to describe him. No wonder JM springs to his defence.

Very clever. Attack Jonathan but put up with "supine" leadership. Shut him up but appease antis. Say nothing and do nothing but snipe at Jonathan.

If you see something say something. Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. Well said Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Ms Clifford, the leadership isn't supine. It just doesn't do things the way you want them to. And as your way hasn't been such a stellar success, I am indeed seeing something and saying it.
The antis would love Jonathan to stay in place, they've even got a petition going to that effect.

@ Joe Millis
So I am crying wolf - if I am I am in good company

http://www.thejc.com/news/israel-news/47183/ron-prosor-israel-hate-uk-un...

Advi3er, HE Prosor has a job to do. I don't expect any different

Quoting Jonathan Hoffman 29 March, 2011 - 14:37

"Have my tactics worked? Absolutely. More than anyone else, I brought down Judge Bathurst-Norman, for example.

I am prepared to be judged on my record."

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/47284/protests-drive-ahava-out-covent-...

Letters in this week's JT in response:

Thank you StandWithUs

Melanie Phillips recently delivered a scathing report on the state of the Israel advocacy movement in the UK. She declared it "a joke".

She is right. I was shocked to read the editorial entitled 'Stand with Whom?' in the Jewish Telegraph, which I think epitomises the joke that is the British advocacy movement. It is all of our duties, as supporters of Israel, to intervene on Israel's behalf to correct misconceptions about the Jewish state.

For too long we have shied away from confrontation and, in doing so, given those who call for Israel's destruction an open platform.

StandWithUs has been at the forefront of campus advocacy since its launch in the UK last year.

The professional publications which it produces on key issues such as: Human Rights in the Middle East, Diversity in Israeli society, Israeli technological innovations and Excerpts from the Hamas charter have proved invaluable resources to J-Socs around the country and have finally provided readable, concise and attractive publications which can be given to students to take away with them.

The idea that SWU's presence at SOAS has "[given] the oxygen of publicity to an event which, under normal circumstances, would not have been accorded even one word of coverage anywhere" is misjudged and fails to take into account that the violent reaction to the peaceful presence of SWU is the key point that we should take away from the incident.

SWU's so-called "American-style tactics" are exactly what is needed on British university campuses, albeit with some minor tinkering, which is exactly the point of its launch in the UK. SWU works with J-Socs and other pro-Zionist organisations so that they are better equipped to combat the rise of anti-Israel and antisemitic events that are prevalent on campus.

Last year it was SWU that were able to quickly and effectively help us with combating the Norman Finklestein tour when it rolled into Nottingham and the assistance it has provided us to combat this year's Israeli Apartheid Week has been second-to-none.

Until the rest of the Jewish community wakes up to the fact that we can no longer hide from confrontation and that the best way to get our message across is to challenge the fallacies and misconceptions of Israel whenever we see them, the advocacy movement is destined to remain a joke. Thank you StandWithUs!

Darren Wogman,
Former campaigns officer,
Nottingham J-Soc.

Why was the attacker not condemned?

I WAS appalled to read the editorial concerning StandWithUs and the horrible attack on one of their activists.

Much of the content of the piece was complete fiction, but the argument it made was far more concerning than the factually inaccurate content.

The writer seemed to be suggesting that those who choose to exercise their basic civil right to protest and advocate for Israel on campus are essentially provoking attacks against themselves.

How telling it was that the article claimed that there are much more effective ways to make Israel's case without ever so much as hinting at what those might be.

It's the usual constant do nothing but complain about those who do attitude that has become so vexingly familiar among certain sections of the British Jewish community.

The title alone was utterly misleading. If StandWithUs isn't standing with Israel, then who exactly is the author suggesting they are supporting?

More to the point, as far as I'm aware StandWithUs is an Israel-based organisation, not an American one.

But even if it were, what is American about its tactics? That it doesn't apologise for being pro-Israel? That it doesn't take the most vicious criticism of the Jewish state lying down?

Well, if that's American then I'd say British Jewry could learn a thing or two from the other side of the pond.

Perhaps if a more proactive attitude had have been taken sooner then the situation in the UK wouldn't have become as dire as it now has.

But there are other troubling questions about this opinion piece.

Why are the words "peaceful protest" put in undeniably questioning inverted commas? Is the writer seriously disputing whether or not StandWithUs conducted their counter-demonstration peacefully? Who was it who attacked whom, we are almost forced to have to remind ourselves as we read on.

And while StandWithUs is condemned for trying to counter anti-Israel activities at the notoriously radical SOAS, the article actually heaps praise on the university for supposedly ensuring the safety and security of its Jewish students.

Oh well, a round of applause for SOAS for not letting Jews get beaten up on its campus. But there's one problem with that statement: The fact that a Jew was savagely attacked on the SOAS campus!

Well, perhaps the author would have us believe that the blame nevertheless rests not with SOAS and the event's organisers but with the man who was attacked.

The article refers to StandWithUS as having only a few supporters in the UK and otherwise an "unwanted presence". Unwanted by who?

Unwanted by opponents of Israel, I'm sure, but not by Jewish students. As president of UCL Jewish Society, I can vouch for how much support we've received from StandWithUs. Finally, I object utterly to the total moral inversion of the article.

The victim is ultimately portrayed as responsible for his own assault and no real condemnation of the assailant is mentioned.

Tom Wilson,
President UCL Jewish Society.

Admire this group

I WAS at the School of Oriental and African Studies event, although not with StandWithUs.

I was there to promote an event there later in the week and was able to observe their demonstration.

It was very peaceful, they had very clever posters about true apartheid and women's rights in the Middle East. They were not in the slightest bit confrontational.

The atmosphere was calm and there was no sense of how the day's events would unfold.

I felt a lot of admiration for this group who decided to stand up for Israel when so few in the community do so.

I think congratulations is in place rather than criticism.

Michelle Huberman,
London.

Let's fight back

ACCORDING to your article headed Bite of Hatred, about the supporter of Israel who was bitten at an Israel Apartheid Week event at the School of Oriental and African Studies, your source ridiculously stated that the group he was with had been warned not to attend by Jewish community members as this would give the Palestine Society organisers unwarranted publicity.

Your source said: "They were told not to go, but they still did."

I think it is great that StandWithUs showed up at that event and peacefully protested.

I find our British Jewish community quite complacent and we need to stand up to more of these events.

Your source sounds like the many Jews in Germany who did not want to shake the boat in 1939.

Perhaps he would prefer the Jews to sit quietly at home and wait for them to take us to the cattle cars. I prefer to stand up and fight back.

Stanley Victory,
London.

Peaceful protest

PEACEFULLY demonstrating while handing out leaflets is surely a British tradition. Yet your editorial suggests that, when there is a danger of violent confrontation, it should not happen.

Are you really suggesting that peaceful UK activities should be abandoned and that violence should be allowed to rule?

Where else can one communicate with those who have been misinformed about Israel than at an anti-Israel event?

It has become fashionable to blame the victim, especially if that victim is Israel or Jews, but I did not expect to hear this from a Jewish newspaper.

Shame on you.

Nomi Benari,
London.

'Absurd' view of student attack

I SAW the dreadful piece in the Jewish Telegraph about the pro-Israel campaign group StandWithUs and the antisemitic attack at the School of Oriental and African Studies, London.

I want to challenge the frankly absurd position your paper took.

I offer my full support to SWU, which is doing a wonderful job in the UK. We are fortunate to have them.

What happened at SOAS was very distressing. This antisemitic attack [a supporter of Israel was bitten on the face by a pro-Palestinian] has now revealed the problem for all to see.

SWU were there simply and peacefully countering a hateful anti-Israel event at SOAS, as they should have been.

For too long our community has remained quiet in the face of these despicable attacks on Israel.

Nobody wants to have to get involved with our enemies. It is not fun - but doing nothing is not an option.

Finally we have a group which is willing to stand up to the bullies who are trying to delegitimise us.

The attack which took place is only proof of how bad things have become.

We must continue to proudly speak the truth so that our voice is heard and that it is not assumed by anyone that this is a one-argument situation.

By refusing to put our case, we suggest to outsiders that we have none. This must not happen.

The cowardly act of the attacker shows not only their vile and barbarian approach but also their fear of being countered.

That means that we are doing the right thing. They need to be shown we will no longer stand for their lies and bullying behaviour.

If they attack us, with the help of the police we must use the law to have them punished.

I only hope that more people from our community will stand up and be counted.

SWU deserves all of our support in the great work they are doing. Antisemitism never went away through being ignored or swept under the carpet.

Universities are not safe for Jews if Jewish students have to be quiet and meek, and remain silent in the face of anti-Israel lies in order not to be attacked verbally and physically.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is at best delusional and at worst an idiot. When the presence of Jews on a university campus, calmly explaining facts about Israel, is accepted by anyone - especially some of our so-called community leaders - as a provocation, then we have lost the fight.

Luckily, we now have in SWU and its redoubtable UK leader Gili Brenner, a strong and brave team fit to counter the hatred aimed at us and our students, which has gone unchallenged for too long.

We must all thank SWU for this important work they are doing. Let's get out there and join them.

Jonathan Sacerdoti,
London.

Don’t criticise, join us to fight Israel’s foes

I was absolutely astounded when I read last week’s report on the unfortunate biting incident at the School for African and Oriental Studies (SOAS) .
As the UK chairman of StandWithUs, an international organisation founded in the US which now has a strong base in the UK, I had been kept up to date and fully informed of what had happened before, during and after the altercation.
The report has caused great distress for the people involved who were actually there and know far better than someone who obviously was not.
I was also deeply disappointed to see the very critical editorial labelling us a “US organisation”, and the incredible message that we are unwanted here.
Far from claiming a”few supporters” we now enjoy a strong supporter base which is growing all the time. The list of events and activities SWU has initiated in recent months speaks for itself.
As for the SOAS incident, a small group of four responsible adults decided to stand up for Israel against a sea of hatred being peddled at SOAS as part of Israel Apartheid Week, or more accurately, Fortnight.
Unlike those who want to keep a low profile and leave an open field for the anti-Israel delegitimisers and detractors, StandWithUs has a highly respected international track record in being prepared to stand up and be counted and to make it clear to those who have a hate Israel agenda that there is another side to the story.
In the relatively short time SWU has been active in the UK, we have been welcomed with enthusiasm by activists who want to see a higher profile in combating anti-Israel activities.
An allegation that the group had been warned to stay away is untrue. No such warning was given. In any event, on this occasion, I challenge anyone, however experienced, to have been able to predict the animal like behaviour of the attacker.
Unlike those who want to keep a low profile and let the anti-Israel delegitimisers and detractors go unchallenged, StandWithUs has a highly respected international track record in being prepared to stand up and be counted and to make it clear to those who have a hate Israel agenda that there is another side to the story.
It is people like the anonymous JT source who are responsible for us losing the sound bite battle and war of words, for that is exactly what we are facing.
More and more people are realising that if we are to make a case for Israel we cannot do it behind closed doors with silent tongues.
We have to do exactly what Gili Brenner, the StandWithUs UK co-ordinator,and her supportive small band of demonstrators were doing at SOAS and elsewhere.
And all credit to them. We need more people like them and the Ahava regular counter demonstrators if we are to have any chance of defending Israel effectively.
We at StandWithUs most certainly do not think we “know it all”, as your source suggested, but we can certainly claim to have a track record of effective campaigning.
We believe we have something very positive to offer when it comes to Israel advocacy and knowing when to stand up and be counted.
Our aim is to complement existing organisations in the UK, not to compete with them
We plan to play a supportive and hopefully active role in the community conference being organised by BICOM with many other organisations, and will be encouraging as many people as possible to sign up to attend. We will also be supporting Manchester’s BiG Tent initiative.
We refute entirely that we were acting against advice, and challenge those who allege this to come up with any proof.
We also refute the charge that being prepared to challenge anti-Israel propaganda and the promotion of the concept that Israel is an apartheid state is a “provocation”.
We defend our right to demonstrate peacefully and condemn those who are frightened or unwilling to speak out.
In the light of this very threatening experience we agree there are lessons to be learned, and we have undertaken to notify the CST of any planned pro-Israel activity so they can assess any potential threat.
But rest assured SWU will not be shy violets when it comes to being proactive, and we hope more people will now be willing to join our ranks.
The outcome of the SOAS experience has resulted in many people expressing their support and has made more people appreciate what we stand for.
Is it the remit of a Jewish newspaper to tell an organisation like SWU that they are not welcome here when so many people have welcomed us with open arms and gratitude?
I am puzzled about what is meant by American tactics, because the quiet demonstrations do not differ from similar activist behaviour of other organisations here in the UK.
And aren’t there far more important issues facing our community and Israel than attacking an organisation that has a proven record of success in stating Israel’s case and training many thousands of young people to be able to be ambassadors for Israel around the world.
Israel needs all the friends she can get and it will be hard to find a truer friend than SWU, which although it is true was founded 10 years ago in the US, now has strong active branches in israel, Australia, South Africa, Europe, and most relevantly, here in the UK.
I have one key message: Rather than criticise us join us to help state Israel’s case and improve the situation.
We have more than enough enemies without fighting amongst ourselves in this damaging and negative way.

Joy Wolfe

A probable made up name, ZF officials, current and former. Big surprise there

Millis aka Telegram Sam is in the camp of the haters.

Big surprise there (not...)

"ZF officials, current and former"

So a non-affiliated citizen's opinion counts but as soon as they join the ZF it no longer counts!

You don't half reveal yourself to be a fool in your anxiety to turn somersaults in order to vilify Israel........

Jonathan Hoffman is obsessed with a T Rex song. It must have been traumatised by it. Some of us moved on from Bolan and embraced prog or punk.

The only vilifying seen here is that of the person who gets his mates on a letter-writing campaign. Why don't you unite with the rest of the community and fight against those who want one state between the River and the Sea? Is it because you, too, want to see one state between the River and the Sea? Come on, out with it. Let's see your legendary courage. You are so brave in front of the numpties of the BDS, but you are so scared to alienate the majority in the ZF who believe in the two-state solution.

Jonathan Hoffman, as they say in Hebrew (which I wonder if you understand), Gibor al ktanim.