Deprogramming students from the Palestine Solidarity Cult


By Jonathan Hoffman
November 13, 2012
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A new term and thousands of brand new students to brainwash so it was down to the University of London Students’ Union last night where the Palestine Solidarity Cult held a meeting to discuss boycotting of Israeli culture and academia. Predictably the ingénues were subjected to a farrago of lies. Fortunately there were a number of Zionist activists there and we were able to de-programme a number of the students after the cult meeting. (You will recall that Norman Finkelstein is persona non grata at the PSC after he called it a "cult").

The meeting was chaired by Salim Alam, well known to this blog as a defamation-merchant:

http://www.thejc.com/blogs/jonathan-hoffman/smeared-pscs-salim-alam

Again predictably he used the normal PSC Stalinist tactic of censorship – I was not called on in the Q+A despite having my hand up continuously. Fortunately there were a number of Zionists in the audience who did get called on and their questions of course were steamrollered by the panel.

The first lie came from Ben White:
http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/ben-white/

My deconstruction of White’s book is here:

http://www.propagandistmag.com/2009/07/08/lies-damn-lies-and-apartheid-a...

White claimed that Israelis who have been involved in combat in the IDF “cannot go on holiday to London”. Wrong. This government has closed the loophole in the Universal Jurisdiction procedure, by which anyone could achieve a detention of visitors from abroad on the most spurious of charges. Now only the Attorney General can achieve a detention under the Universal Jurisdiction.

The second lie came from Mike Cushman, an LSE academic who believes his halachically Jewish status gives him added credibility when parroting the usual PSC defamatory lies about Israel - never mind that he has about as much connection with formal Jewish customs and institutions as a sloth-eyed toad.

http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/10/

Cushman told us that “Israeli Arabs are not Zionists” - a statement disproved by the many surveys which tell us that if there was a Palestinian state, the vast majority of Israeli Arabs would prefer to live in Israel. Maybe that’s because the best place for an Arab woman to live in the Middle East in order to get a good education is Israel.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths2/exclusives.html#a83

The third lie - in the form of a false quote designed to defame Israel - came from Rafeef Ziadah, a Palestinian who works for War on Want:

http://www.jewishcomment.com/cgibin/news.cgi?id=11&command=shownews&news...
From Ziadah we got the false quote about “two legged beasts”:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=775

The students’ brainwashing at the hands of the cult ended with an appeal to come and help disrupt the three Batsheva performances in London next week.

Bring it on – nothing does more damage to the cause of the PSC than for paying customers to witness its cultural hooliganism at first hand.

On the way out Richard Millett was confronted by the oddball Asa Winstanley with a recorder, demanding to know who funds Richard’s blog!

http://cifwatch.com/2011/11/23/racist-alliance-behind-the-scenes-of-the-...

With lies and distortions in practically every sentence, not to mention the liberal sprinklings of ‘Israel lobby’ conspiracy theory and false accusations of ‘Islamophobia’ against the CST and the Board of Deputies of British Jews, it is easy to appreciate why Winstanley is such a hit in anti-Israel circles.

Winstanley is an Evangelical Christian, and was formerly Christian Youth Minister at the Wembley Church of Christ. He opposes the existence of Israel, suggesting he is a supercessionist.

But if we can deprogramme even one student after these cult meetings, that’s a massive success. And last night we deprogrammed several.

Richard Millett's account:

http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/palestine-solidarity-camp...

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Harvey

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:14

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As always . A big thank you to Richard and Jonathan for stepping into 'The Heart of Darkness '
I know just how dispiriting this can be listening to the lies and distortions emanating from these people . How sad that young impressionable minds are fed a one sided context free diatribe of propaganda .
Jonathan , regard it as a badge of honour that you were not allowed to ask a question .
These unreconstructed masters of Stalinist agit prop countenance no other opinions or opposition because in their sad blighted world , supporters of Israel have no say and no case .
Reactionaries and fascists each and everyone on that panel .
Sickening that such a so called debate should take place on a UK university campus .


Harvey

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:33

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Palestine Solidarity Cult . Hat tip Norm Finklestein and the hapless Frank ' Spencer ' Barat .


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:21

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lol @ " the heart of darkness"

You two are such drama queens. And Jonathan only a great big cry baby could take " he is on medication " as defamation.


happygoldfish

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:24

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Real Real Zionist: I am not saying the IDF is worse than most armies, but nor are they any better than most. An army is not a moral enterprise it is a killing machine.There is no such thing as a moral army. Why pretend otherwise ?

ohh, now i understand your position!

you regard any resistance to occupation as moral, even if it involves targeting civilians, and especially if it involves killing soldiers

you condemn any killing by any army as immoral, even in defence of its own soldiers

your attitude to israel is not selective, since it results from your quite general position that an occupation cannot be maintained without an army, and all armies are immoral

have i summed-up your position correctly?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:38

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No.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:23

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" ......great big cry baby..." Yes imagine the tears when the ZF dumped him.

And yes that wasn't defamation.

THIS is defamation.......

"Cllr Coleman's acquittal of the the main charge was a recognition that the complainants were not ingenue members of the public but seasoned and mendacious campaigners on behalf of the PSC that had targetted Cllr Coleman because of his support for Israel and his 130,000 Jewish constituents."

And THIS is defamation....

" Cllr Coleman is supposed to apologise to Charlotte Jago for writing to her, I suppose 70 years ago you would have been in the blackshirts. But truth and logic were on his side. An apology for a truthful response to anti semitic comments ? For a truthful response to racist comments. Why on earth should he apologise for that ? Would you ?"

And THIS is defamation...

" Brian Coleman was targeted by the delegitimisers of Israel in a vicious well coordinated campaign...."

Coleman has apologised, its now your turn. Make good your claim that " When I lie I apologise."


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:49

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joemillis1959
Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:13
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Cushy job there at the GLA. 9:30-5…
What's the betting that Pol Pot Khmer Rouge deprogamming/re-education piece will reappear after Hoffman thinks it's safe to post? Yep, it's there. What a coward.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:38

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"Bring it on – nothing does more damage to the cause of the PSC than for paying customers to witness its cultural hooliganism at first hand."

Did someone that got thrown out of the Albert Hall for hooliganism mention cultural hooliganism ?


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:42

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Garfield, Heart of Darkness? Have you actually read it? I hate to go all literary on yo ass, but do you actually know how Conrad's superb eponymous book and Francis Ford Coppola's excellent Apocalypse Now end? Kurtz gets killed. The horror… The horror. Now that's something I wouldn't wish on anybody – not even people who believe in Deprogramming/re-education Pol Pot-stylee.


StevenKalka

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:48

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If the boycotters were really serious, they'd forego the use of Israeli developed medical technology and cell phones (the chips were Israeli developed). That wouldn't bring them the attention they desire.


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:57

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Jonathan did Richard Millett help you with this deprogramming ? Did you water board them ?


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:31

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Steven as the inestimable Adam Levack says on his blogsite the BDS movement against Israel is as marginal as it is unsuccessful, and whatever political capital it possesses is due merely to the acquiescence by the radical chic clique of political and cultural posers to its malign agenda. Unfortunately a number of its dim-witted (and openly racist) adherents are given a free platform on this website to propagate their garbage supposedly in the name of free speech.


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:37

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the BDS movement against Israel is as marginal as it is unsuccessful,

As that is indeed the case, why in the name of all that is crunchy do a number of people here waste so much time giving the BDS-ers so much free publicity, which they neither deserve nor merit?

Do these people have nothing better to do than go to events that suck the happiness out of them and turn them into angry men and women.


happygoldfish

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:53

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Real Real Zionist: Did someone that got thrown out of the Albert Hall for hooliganism mention cultural hooliganism ?

no, someone that got thrown out of the royal albert hall for silently waving an israeli flag in support of an israeli orchestra mentioned cultural hooliganism

unfortunately, the royal albert hall has a racist policy of allowing german flags to be waved in support of a german orchestra, american flags to be waved in support of an american orchestra, but not israeli flags to be waved in support of an israeli orchestra

a few days later there was an american orchestra and the hall was filled with american flags supporting it!

there is no way that silently waving its national flag in support of an orchestra can be called hooliganism (cultural or otherwise)


Harvey

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:58

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Thanks Joe . I would never have realised it without the input of your towering literary genius . Obviously the reference was a bit too subtle for you .
It does indeed allude to Kurtz s descent into madness and ultimate death . The ludicrous demands and conditions placed on Israeli artists by White and his fellow loons is nothing less than utter madness and delusion . The fact that the panel are supporters and enablers of some of the most brutal sociopaths ever to unfortunately walk this earth ,completes the allusion to Kurtz s ultimate death . Hence the Heart of Darkness . Simples really .


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:59

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Millis that's what people thought about the National Socialists leave them alone and they will fade into oblivion. Unfortunately when the realisation dawned that that was not gong to happen it was too late. These people have to be confronted and shown up for what they are.

As I write Israeli troops have gone into Gaza to deal with the terrorist thugs hiding among the general populace and have taken out one of the Hamas commanders Ahmad Jabri may his name be blotted out. Hashem Yishmor Aleihem.


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 17:05

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Actually, Garfield, your analogy is fallacious (but well done for at least trying by looking at the Wikipaedia reference). The ultimately maniacal Kurtz here is your very own leader and organ grinder, the former ZF co-vice-chair and reposter of columns by someone who calls for Israel to be raped. Marlow too descended into melancholy madness. So he might be him as well.

The horror…The horror.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 17:17

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"why in the name of all that is crunchy do a number of people here waste so much time giving the BDS-ers so much free publicity, which they neither deserve nor merit?"

I can answer that. Because it isn't about Israel. It is about a small number of fringers,desperate to draw attention to themselves. Unable to attract attention in a constructive way....


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 17:25

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Ha Ha did you waterboard them.Thats a good one, I can use that.


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 17:28

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Slight difference, Advis3r. By your own admission - and strengthen by facts - the BDS-ers are inconsequential. Actually as inconsequential as those who demonstrate against them. They are going nowhere. Neither group is. And despite your proving Godwin's law yet again, the Nazis had huge and growing public backing during Weimar.

Ah yes, Operation Re-Elect Bibi is underway, which will spark more rocket barrages, which will spark another operation with a silly name, which will spark more attacks on the south, which will lead to another Freudian-like named operation etc etc ad infinitum. Can't the Israelis come up with something a bit more original? Didn't we used to be clever?


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:03

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ok I've used it


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:08

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"Operation Re-Elect Bibi" - Millis I suggest before you make such inane comments you engage your brain.

This action has the support of the whole country including your pin-up girl Livni. Does it not cross your mind that Hamas have done this precisely to cause Israel the most damage following Obama's re-election and before the upcoming UN application by Abbas for observer status. Why suddenly have the rockets increased from one or two a day to hundreds a day? The Iranians pull all the strings in Gaza and this is a way of getting the spotlight off them and back on Israel.There was no way Israel could ignore the provocation. However give it a day and Cameron/Haig will be finger wigging and intoning proportionality and the suzanna's of this world will be marching on the Israeli Embassy screaming we are all Hamas now!

I do agree that the names given are outlandish and are totally lost on the outside world. I would have gone with "Operation save our children" no ambiguity there.


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:15

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You are jumping to conclusions, Norman. Is that the only exercise you get? I've never supported Livni. Why have the rockets increased? Because, perhaps, Israeli actions in Gaza have also increased. It's a vicious circle. And we are getting close to elections and the Likud-Beyteynu ploy doesn't seem to be working out all that well, and Netanyahu knows the start up nation's economic miracle bubble is about to burst (hence the early austerity budget that prompted early elections) so he wants to be re-elected before it all goes t*ts up and he's blamed. Nothing works like panem and circenses when it comes to the Israeli electorate.

And all these assassinations of "indispensable" hamas military leaders? What have they ever achieved? Fewer rockets? Less hatred?

Yep, it's operation Re-elect Netanyahu.


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:24

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Joe you are beginning to sound like Mr Gillon of the Surrender Party I mean Meretz. He told Galei Zahal that: Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are "pyromaniacs" who undertook Operation Pillar of Defense for the purpose of reelection.

Did you write his script?

I can send you a list of the rockets that have been fired at Israel this year with no response from Israel. The people living in Sederot are experiencing a living hell. The people of Gaza have the answer go out on the streets and demand the terrorists stop their terrorist activities as the Libyans did only a week or so ago and with remarkable success.


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:27

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Cult meetings at London Universities could be taking place on another planet.


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:37

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OK, Norman, You believe that Operations Whatsitsname is devoid of domestic political motive. OK, now it's my turn. A rabbi, a vicar and an imam get on a plane…

It's not the response from Israel that's the issue; it's the military action - assassinations and other operations - that sparked the Gazan response.

And so what if the whole country supports? The whole country supported Lebanon 1982 and look what a mess that turned out to be.

Israel's military actions in Gaza have achieved precisely nothing - in fact, they've done the complete opposite.

The poor people of Sderot, Netivot, Gan Yavne, Ashkelon and Ashdod - and I have every sympathy for them as they face more attacks - are mere pawns in this game, being used by cynical politicians who want to increase their chances of being re-elected.

Do you really not get that?


Advis3r

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:44

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No that's not the problem - the problem is that instead of dealing with this as a security problem to be solved in a comprehensive manner the people running Israel are more worried what the UN the US and/or the EU is going to say. Turkey has no qualms in going into Kurdistan and dealing with the problem - Russia has no qualms in going into Chechnya and dealing with the problem Sri Lanka has no problem comprehensively dealing with the Tamil Tigers and they have no ethical code when it comes to terrorists they wipe them out and hang the consequences and to hell with war crimes.
Basically the IDF is paralysed by frightened politicians who will not do what is required - go in and totally destroy the terrorist infrastructure in Gaza - but instead are required to rely on tokenism. Hamas can therefore take the slight set back of a commander here a commander there but rely on the UN/EU et al to come to their aid as soon as there is the slight possiblity that Israel will achieve its aims.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:48

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<<<<<< lights up a hamlet


happygoldfish

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 19:10

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joemillis1959: why… do a number of people here waste so much time giving the BDS-ers so much free publicity, which they neither deserve nor merit?

unfortunately, it's the bbc and other media that give them free publicity, often reviewing the protesters more than the performance

joemillis1959: Do these people have nothing better to do than go to events that suck the happiness out of them and turn them into angry men and women.

"these people", as you call them, are anti-racists

anti-racists are willing to put themselves out to protest against racism

(is it wrong to be angry against racism?)

please don't criticise them for it!


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 19:10

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Norman, I'm so glad you bring up those three bastions of democratic probity Turkey, Russia and Sri Lanka.

None of this tit-for-tat stuff works. All it does is make sure that this operation in this form or that will go on until January 22 because cynical politicians are scared they won't be re-elected.

And RRZ, feck off


joemillis1959

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 19:15

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And look, one of those unhappy campers, Jonathan Hoffman has waited until after closing time to post something else. That's how he doesn't get to stand up to scrutiny. Coward

To be honest, Happy Dictator, I've never seen a report of a BDS event or protest on the BBC. They get no oxygen because they are small and insignificant. Sure, the Brighton Argus might report it, but that's a local paper and any demo there is big news.

I'm not sure those people you say are anti-racists are really anti-racists, Blacklisted Goldfish, but they are very angry and unhappy people.

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