Ben White proves the hypocrisy of the Israel haters


By Jonathan Hoffman
May 1, 2012
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http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/04/ben-white-proves-hypocrisy-of-a...

People blinded by hate, however - like Ben White - will reflexively push any policy that they believe hurts Israel in the naive hope that eventually they can destroy the state. They have no conception - none - of trying to find solutions that can benefit everyone. For all the thousands of words they churn out, their message always comes down to nothing more nuanced than "Israel bad."

And that is the difference between Zionists and anti-Zionists. Zionists want to find solutions that can benefit even their supposed enemies; anti-Zionists just blindly push whatever they think will hurt Zionists. And anti-Zionists pretend that their hate is meant to help Palestinians - which is the biggest lie of all.

Now to this appalling discrimination against an Israeli, reported yesterday:

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/67023/israeli-expert-barred-nhs-sponso...

A trade union cannot dictate the nationality of a speaker at a conference (let alone, one paid for with public money).

The conference organiser appears in breach of the Equality Act 2010.

By consenting to Cristal's exclusion, Manchester Mental Health and Social Care Trust appears complicit in breaking the law and can be sued.

Please make these points to your MP and to the Health Minister.

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Mary in Brighton

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 08:15

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Jonathan why do you keep linking us to extremist hate sites ?


mattpryor

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 08:35

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Elder of Ziyon is spot on. Thanks Jonathan.


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 10:05

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" Jonathan why............."

because.................


KatieCarslake

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:08

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What concerns me more is that the Jewish Chronicle seems to have relaunched itself as mainly an unfettered platform from which one person can pursue his petty personal vendettas.


J.Clifford

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:32

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Proving the content of these articles are absolutely true comes the usual anti Zionists who never address the content or the debate but attack the authors, the J.C. and the blogger. Very constructive and so predictable.


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:48

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Janet do you subscribe to a coherence theory of truth, a correspondence theory of truth or a Jonny Hoff theory of truth. You have to admit that the fruit loop elder of zion is hardly the Oracle of Delphi and Jonny Hoff is a proven persistent porkie pie er.


Harvey

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:39

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Hi Matt
Always good to have a daily read of the Elder , that and Richards fine blog and of course HP .
I always believe that proper Preparation of the stomach linings before delving into the more toxic brands is simply essential to ones' well being .


Real Real Zionist

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:13

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Harvey is it true that when Jonny Hoff was " elected " co vice chair he was the only candidate ?

And by HP do you mean the place where Jonny was finally, fully and completely " exonerated " ?

And I am delighted that you have become a fan of Richard's fine blog ever since I began making making my erudite, incisive contributions. Even if I have AGAIN been relegated to " awaiting moderation ".


AlistairClark

Wed, 05/02/2012 - 10:04

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Not being funny but the first link is a far right whitewash.Zionism is not the main problem for left-wing activists ,its expansive Zionism that people show a real hatred for considering Israel is the occupier most activists will try and hurt the Israeli economy but not through hatred.The Pro-Palestinian activist wants to make it so expensive for Israel to be an occupier that its just not worth it.The activist has to attack anything that makes the Israeli gov. money and legitimacy,its not like Israel is spending money to give the Illegitimate buildings in the West Bank to the Palestinian people.Israel hatred is a big no Occupation hatred is always a big yes . I have to say it I'm always amused at Hasbra talk as in "this proves this" and the constant use of the word hater and hate against anything that does not conform to the Zionist point of view .


Advis3r

Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:16

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I am not sure who you are AlastairClark and I must admit I had a hard time trying to decipher what you have written but I see you have come up with a new name to excuse delegitimisation of Jewish rights to the Holyland - "expansive Zionism". So according to you Zionists are ok if they do not seek to claim what legally historically and morally Jews claim is rightfully theirs. Right now let us see you produce evidence that the "Palestinians" have a "right" to Judea and Samaria that does not encompass one of the myriad of empty declarations uttered by this anti-Israel dictator or other. You know some legal document like the Mandate for Palestine. We are told about the Palkestinians inalienable rights to this that and the other and their "right of return" but no one has produced legal proof of the existence of any of these rights except to mouth more rhetoric.


Advis3r

Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:21

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"to extremist hate sites" @Mary I challenge you to come up with a single bit of hate on that website that is directed against any third party and is not actually a report/comment on hate directed at Jews/Israel.


amber

Thu, 05/03/2012 - 14:33

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Mary Communist in Brighton, perhaps you could elucidate on your contention that EoZ is an "extremist hate site"?

An example?


amber

Thu, 05/03/2012 - 14:33

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Carslake, talking of personal vendettas...well, you should know.


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:45

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"Zionists want to find solutions that can benefit even their supposed enemies"

Well, Jonathan, you are an elected representative of the Zionist Federation, and a self declared super Zionist. You tell us that Zionists seek mutually beneficial solutions, while anti-Zionists just seek to hurt Israel.

In the light of this, perhaps you would grace us with a description of your own mutually beneficial solution to the problem?


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:31

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One of the big things I have learned in the course of my "investigations " is that there is just one thing that screams as loud as Jonny Hoff's mouth.

And that is his SILENCES.


Advis3r

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:37

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No zaheerayin show us one positive thing that anti-Zionists have done to further the cause of peace in the Middle East that does not somewhere or somehow involve the dismantling of the State of Israel? I recommend you read this it was written by an Arab not a Jew

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3035/pro-palestinian-anti-israel


Advis3r

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:39

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RRZ what a total hypocrite you are. If he answers you during a working day you accuse him of blogging when he should be working.


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:25

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Well Jose we will see if he answers the question when he isn't supposed to be working.Past experience suggests that he won't but I would be delighted to be surprised.

Jonny outline your views on how you think the Israel/ Palestine thing might be resolved. If you could arrange things yourself what would it all look like ? No rush, after you have finished delivering the public value for money in respect of their employment of you will be fine.

Maybe you could post an after hours blog entitled something like " The Jonny Hoff Solution ".


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:33

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Why does "amber" always take on Jonathan's disagreements while Jonathon says nothing? Hmmmm....I smell a rat. RRZ just might have a point, here.


Advis3r

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:43

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Well Z you read the article?

What shows up you guys for what you really are is that when you are challenged about some outrageous remark or other you go on to something else entirely - totally vacuous and lacking in substance just about sums you up.


joshua789

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:11

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Jonathan - what is your vision for Israel / Palestine?


joshua789

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:25

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Here is what Yuval Diskin said about Netanyahu's failure to advance negotiations with the Palestinians: "The fact that we're not talking with the Palestinians--and guys, forget about all the stories they're selling you in the media about how we want to talk but Abu Mazen doesn't and so forth. I'm telling you, we're not talking with the Palestinians because this government has no interest in talking with the Palestinians. I was there up until a year ago. I know from up close what is going on in that area. This government has no interest in talking with the Palestinians. Period. It most certainly has no interest in resolving anything with the Palestinians. Period. I can tell you that with full certainty. Furthermore, the prime minister knows that if he takes even the smallest step forward on this issue then the well-established rule of the prime minister in the State of Israel and the strong coalition he has will fall apart. It's that simple. That is why no one here has any interest in resolving anything with the Palestinians, and that is the source of the Palestinians' frustration--and incidentally, I'm not defending the Palestinians in the least. They have made their mistakes. I am looking at [the question of whether] we have an interest [in negotiating with the Palestinians] - we as a people have an interest in this [but] this government does not have a real interest in changing anything in this area." This is a translation from the Hebrew original.


joshua789

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:56

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'They have no conception - none - of trying to find solutions that can benefit everyone'.

But what are your solutions, Jonathan, to Israel / Palestine?


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:06

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zaheerayin, you don't smell a rat - you just smell.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:08

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joshua 789, there are no solutions until the Arab political leadership (and most of their populations) give up on the idea of destroying Israel. If they put as much effort into building a state as they do trying to destroy one, this could have been resolved a long time ago.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:09

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joshua 789, it is the Palestinians who refuse to negotiate, not the other way round.

And time and agin, such negotiations have failed because the Palestinian leadership has shown it does not want a solution if it does not involve destroying the Jewish state.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:10

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Consequently, joshua, it matters not one fig what Jonathan's "vision" is - it is purely academic. There comes a point when you have to face reality and not live in dreams.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:11

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Joshua, can I ask ewhat YOUR "vision" is?


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:11

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What about Mary's silences? She accuses EoZ of being an "extremist hater" with not one scrap of evidence.


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:22

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Ermmmm.....thank you yet again for your kind responses to questions put to Jonathan, Amber but who gives a flying you know what about what an anarchist from Brighton with dark roots thinks? Jonathan is the elected politician here. Why can't we know what his solution is? This is getting old.

AGAIN, Jonathan...what is your proposed solution for the Israel/Palestinian problem? The voting public wants to know. Make that the Jewish voting public wants to know. Why is this so hard to address when he's an invited blogger and has the forum from which to address such subjects and issues?

Amber, please refrain from answering for Jonathan. Thank you in advance.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:34

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zaheerayin, perhaps you would let us know YOUR solution (presuming you think there is one)?


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:36

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Oh...and let me remind you....Israel is nuclear...so is our BFF the good old USA. Does that make answering any easier?


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:37

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zaheerayin, whilst I can't answer for Jonathan, I think that your question is missing the point. Israel is facing a relentless campaign of delegitimization (which seeks no solution other than a very final one) and in light of this, entertaining academic notions about what we would like to see is utterly irrelevant. The debate has moved on from that - in fact, there is no debate, just a stream of lies and hatred. It is currently impossible to have a civilised and constructive debate in such a poisonous atmosphere.


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:38

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Jonathan?


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:38

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What has being nuclear got to do with it?


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:54

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Amberthan I think what zaheerayin is trying to tell you is we don't want to engage with a 56 year old man in a dress wearing way too much mascara, we want to hear it from the real thing.


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:57

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RRZ, I am not Jonathan Hoffman.

Why don't you deal with the substantive issue?


amber

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:58

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Indeed, RRZ, who are you? Perhaps you're Mary.


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:12

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RRZ...shush. The point is, for any non-nuclear entity to wish the final demise of a nuclear entity with a nuclear BFF is not a terminal impediment to discussion. In fact, it's a ludicrously immature position to take. One that only a short sighted, histrionic, reactionary person would take, which I'm sure Jonathan wouldn't think of doing.


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:12

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" Amber " why are you so desperate to distract attention from a question to Jonny Hoff that would be reasonable if asked of anyone ? It is even more reasonable to ask of someone that is an elected officer of the ZF. The people that elected him and might elect him again are entitled to have questions like this answered.

So if you are not indeed Jonathan Hoffman will you please get out of the way and let the man get a word in edgeways.

But of course you are Jonny Hoff which leads us to ask why areyou so determined not to answer ? Is your answer THAT damning ?


zaheerayin

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:15

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Now, sit down, Amber. Jonathan?


Mary in Brighton

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:25

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Ahem....Zaheerayin :)

I'm wondering if Jonathan doesn't want a solution lest it leave him with no means of drawing attention to himself.

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