Amnesty hosts yet another anti-Israel Headbanger ...
 | By Jonathan Hoffman
October 16, 2012 | Share |
http://www.thejc.com/blogs/jonathan-hoffman/how-does-shamnestys-kate-all...
Readers will be well aware of how Amnesty in London - under the inspiration of its Campaigns Director Kristyan Benedict - offers a platform to every anti-Israel headbanger in the universe. The latest - tonight - was Itay Epshtein of ICAHD (Israel Committee Against House Demolitions).
Prior to the meeting NGO Monitor issued a Press Release entitled "ICAHD and Amnesty-UK Team Up To Abuse Human Rights":
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/icahd_and_amnesty_uk_team_up_to_abuse...
From Epshtein we got the utter fiction that in 1949 Israel pursued an "Evict and Judaise" policy. Another fiction was that Canada supports Israel "because it has problems with its own indigenous minority" (the aboriginal Canadians). What laughable nonsense. Canada - under its principled PM Stephen Harper - supports Israel because it is right to do so:
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/26/israels-staunchest-ally-stephen-har...
But the meeting really went downhill in the Q+A. Epshtein seemed to think it was acceptable to duck out of answering difficult questions. Thus when a questioner quoted CIA Factbook data on life expectancy in Gaza and the disputed territories, Epshtein questioned the data because it came from the 'CIA'. And he ducked out of answering a question about the Camp David offer to the Palestinians (91% of the West Bank plus 1% in land swaps)by saying that he was not at Camp David! (the source of the detail is Dennis Ross - who was there).
Incredibly ICAHD UK will be holding its 2013 Annual Meeting at Amnesty no doubt free of charge.
Would they host the ZF's Annual Meeting I ask myself ....
The meeting attracted people such as Chris who expressed his disappointment that the UK Jewish Community supports Israel purely because of ethnic reasons and who refuses to accept that Ahmadinejad had expressed the desire to wipe israel off the map. And a lady who said that at the end of the 19th century, Zionists pursued their aim through violence. Utter rubbish. Herzl for example was a journalist who worked tirelessly writing letters to European leaders and meeting them.
Postscript:
Richard Millett's Account:
When you go to an anti-Israel event chances are you’re not more than a few feet from an antisemite
http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/accused-of-racism-at-amne...
COMMENTS
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:25 Rate this: 0 points | Talking of head banging . http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/ujia/ 8 billion pounds of UK - Israel cross trade last year . |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:40 Rate this: 0 points | Excellent speech by Cameron. Shows the importance and prominence of UJIA. But would he waste his time going to a JNF dinner? |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:51 Rate this: 0 points | He wouldn't turn up to a Britain-Israel Coalition full members' lunch in Golders Green Road phone box either |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 16:14 Rate this: -2 points | Or a Ahava counter demo minus the EDL veterans dinner on the back seat of Harv's cab. |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 16:32 Rate this: 0 points | " Britains position will not change. Settlements beyond the green line are illegal." |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 16:42 Rate this: 1 point |
yes: makes very clear the uk position on palestinian statehood …
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Wed, 10/17/2012 - 17:06 Rate this: 0 points | Seems very little in it that any reasonable person could violently disagree with. Particularly the bit about time running out for a two state solution. Since things are about as bad as it could get for the Palestinians and they have nothing to lose, that can only mean time is running out for a Jewish and democratic Israel. Unless you are one of those dreamers that think the status quo can be managed forever and a day. I am sure if he had had more time he would have mentioned Gaza and lentils too. |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 17:16 Rate this: 0 points |
he did have time to mention gaza …
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… but since the uk position is that the israeli-egyptian blockade is legal, no of course he didn't mention lentils!
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Wed, 10/17/2012 - 17:43 Rate this: 1 point | The British government have declared that collective punishment, contrary to the Geneva Conventions to which it is a signatory, is legal? Clearly, Israel has a right to protect itself against attacks on civilians from Gaza and to prevent the entry of arms and munitions that facilitate this, into Gaza. But the restriction of food stuffs, school books, etc., etc., etc. is obviously extraneous to this right. You surely wouldn't deny that this is illegal collective punishment, would you? The British government declared this to be legal when? Where? A link to where they made this declaration, please? |
Wed, 10/17/2012 - 18:27 Rate this: 0 points |
the best i can find quickly is this foreign office release from william hague on 27/1/2011…
… the uk government describes the blockade as counterproductive but not illegal
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:38 Rate this: -1 points | Are you sure you are happygoldfish and not unhappywrigglyworm ? "But blockade of Gaza is counterproductive & should be lifted #fsinsyria" You are going to have to do an awful lot better than that if we are not to conclude that " the uk position is that the israeli-egyptian blockade is legal" is not a simple lie. ( Thought I would throw that in since you casually accuse me of lying but cowardly refuse to give any examples ) |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 09:57 Rate this: 0 points | BLINK Imagine going to court and the judge saying " I wouldn't want you to misunderstand. What is about to follow is not a PUNISHMENT it is a PENALTY! |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:07 Rate this: -1 points | Hilarious isn't it ? Hasbarah at its finest. Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:19 Rate this: 2 points | Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Knucklehead that would mean US/EU sanctions on Iran are a war crime because the innocent Iranian civilians are suffering as a consequence. What happens when a fake Zionist thinks he is a lawyer. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:26 Rate this: 2 points |
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?pagew... "excessive and unreasonable" as boarding with a paintball gun and be beaten to within an inch of one's life - I was forgetting they were Jewish lives so they didn't matter. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:40 Rate this: -2 points | Will no one rid us of this turbulent eternally whining incoherent fly ? |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:43 Rate this: 2 points | The fake Zionist has no answer ... obviously. Banned for racist comments on another website how long before the moderator of this site actually does his/her job and bans him/her/it from here too? |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 10:55 Rate this: 2 points | By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World Wars I and II. In the First World War, Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity. In World War II, Nazis carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that took place there. The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to “intimidatory measures to terrorize the population” in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices “strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice.” The blockade of Gaza by Israel is not collective punishment as was meant by Article 33 because the residents of Gaza are not protected persons "those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals." The people of Gaza are in the hands of Hamas not Israel. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:31 Rate this: 1 point |
in the same speech, even to an entirely jewish pro-israel audience, cameron had no hesitation in describing the settlements as illegal …
… and would equally have no hesitation in describing the blockade as illegal if that were the uk government position it isn't … the uk government position is simply that the blockade is counterproductive (and should be lifted)
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:33 Rate this: -2 points | Well, there seems to have been some progress. Happy goldfish and Advis3r have abandoned the fiction that the blockade is all about Hamas and security. Accepting that the Gazan people are being targeted, they merely take refuge in nauseating justification and ludicrous legalisms. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 11:39 Rate this: -1 points | But we're getting way off track here. This is about Jonathan and his ZF election, right? |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:07 Rate this: -2 points | Even if we accept the non existent distinction ( in this context )between punishment and penalty we are merely have to substitute penalty for punishment and ....abracadabra....we have the war crime. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:09 Rate this: 2 points |
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:20 Rate this: -2 points | I suppose you say Hamas are going to say, " oh dear the people don't have any lentils, we better behave." |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:28 Rate this: -1 points | Anyway this isn't going anywhere. But this is the first time I have ever encountered people that have broadly similar attitudes to you and Jose acknowledge that what you call economic sanctions and others call collective penalties/ punishments are in place. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:42 Rate this: 2 points |
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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:46 Rate this: 2 points | No Fake Zionist the only people who call perfectly lawful economic sanctions collective punishment are Jew haters like you and the other six dwarfs who unfortunately infest this website i.e. what you are really saying by disingenuously and incorrectly applying Article 33 to Israel's LEGAL blockade of Gaza is that only Jews are prohibited from trying by universally accepted means adopted by many other nations in the world to stop attacks on them by terrorists etc. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:58 Rate this: -1 points | "we better demonstrate against the war crimes being committed in our name" When are these demonstrations scheduled to start ? " and if that doesn't work we better vote for fatah, and the peace process." Which peace process might that be? And anyways isn't it the case that Fatah are not serious ? Is it not the case that any seeming interest in a deal is a ruse, a first stage toward driving the Jews into the sea ? Ask Jose he will tell you. |
Thu, 10/18/2012 - 13:13 Rate this: 1 point | At a ceremony marking the 24th anniversary of the founding of Hamas, Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip Ismail Haniyeh said that Hamas may work for the "interim objective of liberation of Gaza, the West Bank, or Jerusalem," but that this "interim objective" and "reconciliation" with Fatah will not change Hamas' long-term "strategic" goal of eliminating all of Israel: "The armed resistance and the armed struggle are the path and the strategic choice for liberating the Palestinian land, from the [Mediterranean] sea to the [Jordan] river, and for the expulsion of the invaders and usurpers [Israel]... We won't relinquish one inch of the land of Palestine." http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=472&fld_id=474&doc_id=6020 In his speech, Haniyeh also promised that Hamas will "lead Intifada after Intifada until we liberate Palestine - all of Palestine, Allah willing. Allah Akbar and praise Allah." That wasn't hard was it Fake Zionist? |
Tue, 10/23/2012 - 14:00 Rate this: 0 points |
Tue, 10/23/2012 - 16:42 Rate this: 0 points | First any poll quoted by Ha'aretz and no ther news outlet in Israel is questionable. The article is behind a paywall so who knows who the people who were polled were and indeed what the question was - Sherwood has plenty of form.
Maybe suzanna will explain if as she claims Jews wanting no voting rights for Arabs in Judea and Samaria is apartheid why Arabs wanting no Jews - let alone Jews having voting rights is also not apartheid? |
Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:38 Rate this: 1 point | Seems pretty conclusive, but confused on issues of annexation. And Happy, could you please reduce size, it's very big. |
Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:11 Rate this: 0 points |
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Wed, 10/24/2012 - 09:16 Rate this: 2 points |
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Wed, 10/24/2012 - 10:20 Rate this: 0 points | Goldfish the link given by suzanna to the Guardian story gives a link to a Ha'aretz story which is behind a paywall - try it!http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/survey-most-israeli-jews-would-support-apartheid-regime-in-israel.premium-1.471644 In any event this load of old codswallop has been debunked by Alan Johnson on Harry's Place and The New Israel Fund which it was claimed had funded the poll has distanced itself from its findings - so Millis it is far from conclusive but trust you to jump on the Gideon Levy bandwagon. |
Wed, 10/24/2012 - 12:43 Rate this: 0 points | "The article is behind a paywall so who knows who the people who were polled were and indeed what the question was - " Well, pay up and subscribe, you skin flint. It's only $4 a month. If you can't afford it, get a job at Sodastream. |
Wed, 10/24/2012 - 12:46 Rate this: 0 points | Why waste hard earned money paying for lies and half truths leave that up to Jew haters like you. |
Wed, 10/24/2012 - 12:48 Rate this: 0 points |
btw, contrary to gideon levy's second haaretz article, this survey had no connection to the new israel fund (nif) … the survey's funders were the yisraela goldblum fund (also israela goldblum fund) (which has left no mark on the internet other than support for a human rights prize), and the dialog institute (http://www.dialog.org.il/page.asp?page=153)
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Wed, 10/24/2012 - 13:03 Rate this: 1 point | " this one was clearly written with the intention of producing headlines about apartheid " . That is not clear at all. Certainly it provoked some headlines that are not helpful. But headline writers will be headline writers. |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 14:14 Rate this: 2 points | And speaking of headbangers… Hip, Hip, Hooray to the Tory Party for suspending Brian Coleman Celebratory lunch break over. Triples all round |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 15:16 Rate this: 1 point | On the subject of Brian Coleman does anyone have any pictures of J. Hoffman standing shoulder to shoulder with the woman beater Coleman? (similar to those pictures we have seen of J. Hoffman standing shoulder to shoulder with the EDF) |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 17:34 Rate this: 1 point | Not sure but there is a photo of him demonstrating outside Hendon Town Hall in support of Coleman. |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 17:41 Rate this: 1 point | Heres a better link to the suspension story |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 17:49 Rate this: 1 point | " Apologies from Coleman to Ron Cohen and Charlotte Jago, the victims of Coleman's abusive emails, arrived only yesterday, hours before the Tory group meeting which was going to debate their colleague's suspension." "And this is his tragedy, ultimately: his life's story is not a tale of power, political intrigue, and statesman like acheivements, the sort of life he imagines that he has led: it is a story of rampant egotism, boundless vanity, relentless confrontation with perceived enemies - and petty point scoring." " perhaps Brian Coleman will take the time to reflect on the sequence of events which have brought him to this end. It seems unlikely, however: he appears to have no capacity for reflection, or self knowledge." Remind you of anyone we know ? |
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 18:09 Rate this: 1 point | I think even Ivan look at the bright side Denisovich would rate this a bad week. |
Thu, 11/01/2012 - 11:13 Rate this: 0 points | Brian Coleman's idea of an apology... In line with the recent standards board rulling. I hereby apologies for any offence caused by the emails in question. Yours sincerly. (squiggle) Councillor Brian Coleman He maybe should get some apologising coaching from his buddy who REALLY knows how to do it. |
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