2012 Awards


By Jonathan Hoffman
January 1, 2013
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It’s the season for retrospectives of the year about to end, so here goes:

Person of the Year: Ronnie Fraser for enduring hours of hostile cross-examination in order to establish that his trade union UCU is institutionally antisemitic (the verdict of the industrial tribunal is not expected until April). All who deplore racism – and that is the vast majority of humanity – owe Ronnie an enormous debt of gratitude.

Human Rights Award: The IDF for achieving - in Operation Pillar of Defence - a ratio of civilian:combatant casualties of around 1:1, unprecedentedly low in the history of asymmetric warfare

Inhuman Rights Award: Jacques Rogge for failing to agree a memorial in the Olympics Stadium for the Israeli Athletes murdered 40 years ago in Munich

Most Enjoyable Cultural Performances of the Year: Habima’s ‘Merchant of Venice’ and the Batsheva ballet – both were unforgettable – please come back soon!

Gift Horse Awards (“Never look a gift horse in the mouth”): Lord Andrew Phillips (‘huge admirer of the Jewish people’ who thinks Jews are ‘on the suicide path’) and Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles (‘deep affection for the Jewish people’ who are committing ‘assisted suicide’).

Most Confused Chairman Award: Len Wardle of the Co-Op who denied all knowledge of the ICJ’s 2004 Judgment, despite its inclusion in the Co-Op’s written justification for its partial boycott!

Foot in Door Award to a Journalist: Asa Winstanley of Electronic Intifada, for demanding that Richard Millett tell him who funds his blog

Most Hypocritical Politician Award: Caroline Lucas, Green MP for Brighton, for encouraging picketing of the EcoStream shop in Brighton despite its ‘green’ qualities

David Icke Award for Looniest Zionist Conspiracy Allegation: Press TV for suggesting that the UK Olympics was “under the influence of“ Zionism

ASHamed Jew Award (as in “The Finkler Question”) : Sir Geoffrey Bindman QC

Misguided Funding Award: Pears Foundation for funding Crisis Action which is lobbying the EU for a boycott of goods produced in Judea and Samaria.

Obnoxious Statement Award: Tim Llewellyn who described the founding of Israel thus: “the imposition and implanting of an alien people”

Wilful Misrepresentation Award: The BDS crew for failing to acknowledge that in awarding contracts, the only thing UK local authorities can legally consider is value for the taxpayer.

Here's to a 2013 free of antisemitic vilification of Israel ....

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happygoldfish

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:10

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geography prize: liberal democrat deputy leader simon hughes, for demonstrating his grasp of middle east affairs in his 13th october letter to the jc about the government in tel aviv

Rich Armbach

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:41

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Real Real Zionist
Tue, 01/01/2013 - 14:00
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The Richard Armbach electoral process award
The ZF elections

Cinematographer of the year award

Harv

Demo of the year.

The "Zionist Federation" hordes demonstrating outside Hendon Town Hall in support of the discredited scurrilous Cllr Brian Coleman.

Cllr of the year

Brian Coleman

Unmoderated racist blog comment of the year

" Whenever I meet a decent Goy I am shocked and surprised." Dan Marks on Richard Millet's blog.
Tasteless piece of hasbora award

Richard Millet turning up at a memorial meeting with a camera and a microphone. ( acknowledgment to Mary)
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Spectacularly transparent lie of the year award

Jonny Hoff

" The Muslim Brotherhood have promised the Egyptian people that after the elections they will boycott anything originating with the Jewish people."

Shameless smear of the year award.

Jonny Hoff's smearing of Catherine Jago and Ron Cohen as anti-Semites

Obfuscation of the year award

HappyGoldfish

" Most governments do regard the settlements as illegal, but not criminal "

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Tue, 01/01/2013 - 17:18
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Church of England award for best link to a racist web site:

Jonathan Hoffman's links to IsraelNationalNews.
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Tue, 01/01/2013 - 17:26
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Mary in Brighton
Tue, 01/01/2013 - 17:30
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suzanna

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:35

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Human Rights Award: The IDF:
On Saturday, 17 November 2012, Rushdi a-Tamimi, age 31 and the father of one daughter, was injured by live firing by soldiers shooting at youths who threw stones at them in the village of a-Nabi Saleh. He died of his wounds on Monday, 19 November 2012.

On Monday, 19 November 2012, security forces killed Hamdi al-Fallah, age 22, during clashes in the area of the Halhul-Hebron bridge on Route 35. He was hit with four live bullets to the chest, arm and leg.

A 14 year old boy was wounded in the head by a direct hit from a teargas canister fired by a border policeman in Hebron on 18 November 2012. The injury fractured his skull. On his hospitalization at al-Ahli hospital in Hebron, his condition was noted as clinical death.

A 20 year old man from Bethlehem is hospitalized in al-Ahli hospital in Hebron suffering from a fractured skull and cerebral hemorrhaging.


suzanna

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:40

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Human Rights Award: The IDF for achieving - a ratio of civilian:combatant casualties of around 2:1, i.e. two, armed, uniformed, grown men and one small boy.

http://www.btselem.org/video/201200629_soldier_kicks_boy


suzanna

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:56

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Inhuman Rights Award: Paul McCartney for 'Hey Bloody Jude' at the Olympics opening ceremony.


suzanna

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:30

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Campaign of the year: Getting Veolia out of North London! Big shout out to No2VAG. And thanks to Coalition of Women for Peace, Richard Falk and War on Want for contacting the NLWA and highlighting the apartheid nature of Veolia's operation in occupied Palestine.


Advis3r

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:54

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suzanna = As Mary McCarthy (said about Lillian Hellman) Every word she writes is a lie, including "and" and "the."


suzanna

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:02

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Human Rights Award:
Administrative detention is implemented solely on the basis of an administrative order, without either indictment or trial. Due to the substantial injury to due process inherent in this measure, international law stipulates that it may be exercised only in very exceptional cases – and then only as a last possible resort, when there are no other means available to prevent the danger. Nevertheless, Israeli authorities routinely employ administrative detention. Over the years, thousands of Palestinians have been held in Israeli custody as administrative detainees for extended periods of time.


joshua789

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:20

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Petition of the year: 1.808,219 sign 'Palestine: The World's next Nation' prior to overwhelming endorsement by the UN

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/


joshua789

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:25

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Democracy in action - of the year:

http://en.avaaz.org/1170/see-who-voted-for-palestine


joshua789

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:47

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Oh lord . . . he's boring us into submission again.

(The poor old IDF always 'in fear for their lives'when shooting dead unarmed civilians)

(But he had a mask on apparently - so it's like, Spiderman or something. Well scary. Deserves to be shot multiple times - Ed)


joshua789

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:50

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These IDF must have been well scared to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5po__L6Oanc


happygoldfish

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:04

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joshua789: These IDF must have been well scared to do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5po__L6Oanc

that's a video about 25 years old, of one of a number of incidents which received great publicity and protest in the israeli press at the time, and which the defence ministry quickly put an end to

joshua789

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:17

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So what when it took place? That excuses it does it? Why don't you use one of your dull little fish emoticons (oh, you have)and point out that actually the Palestinians asked to have their bones broken as it was all part of 'Pallywood' or some such nonsense.

Yitzhak Rabin is remembered as someone who instructed soldiers to break Palestinian arms and legs, when Palestinians began their popular uprising against the Israeli occupation in 1987. Wow, great. What's the ratio on that one then? Group of soldiers; tied, bound and seated Palestinians, rocks and boulders used by soldiers to smash bones. What's the 'human rights' ratio on that one then?


KatieCarslake

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:20

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Happy goldfish, you do so remind me of the little Dutch boy, Peter and his problems with the dike.


Rich Armbach

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:16

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Amazing


happygoldfish

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:35

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Rich Armbach: Amazing

no, it's not amazing that racist criticisms of the idf based on selective facts are easily rebutted by giving the full facts, linked to unimpeachable sources!
rich, where is the "breach of human rights" if they shot only at the legs of a violent man, and then cooperated in his removal to hospital?

rich, where is the "breach of human rights" if they shot a masked violent man when in fear of their lives from him?


Advis3r

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 15:12

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Joshua 789 is one who "uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
As to Carslake to paraphrase a famous saying "she never posts a comment without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."
And Armbach - "A modest little person, with much to be modest about."


Harvey

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 13:06

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Rich Armbach

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:24

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So wadya reckon Harv ? I mean if you were a gambling man. As I am sure you know I have had quite a bit to say on the subject.


suzanna

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:09

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Campaign of the year:
(Better add North London to the list)

http://www.dumpveolia.org.uk/2012/11/16/veolia-campaign-victories/


suzanna

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 15:53

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happygoldfish

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 18:49

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suzanna: Politicians of the year:
http://en.avaaz.org/407/steal-a-palestinian-home-post-pic-on-facebook

this is one of three homes left (i think about 1940) to the hebrew university in the will of their jewish owner, and now sold by the university

three arab families squatted in those homes, of which two came to an agreement to leave (presumably with some compensation), and the third (the natshehs) fought it through the courts

this young family claimed that members of their family had had possession since the 1940s, but were not able to produce any evidence to support that claim, and the court ruled that they were squatters, and granted an eviction order, suspended for a year, see http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/first-palestinian-family-evicted-fr...


Harvey

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Here is An early contender for the BDS antisemite of the year award
Therezia Cooper aka Jessica Nero tweeting antisemitic cartoons .

https://mobile.twitter.com/RomanFox2/status/288011902649520128

Its early days so I'm sure she will have plenty of competition .


happygoldfish

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harvey, you're misunderstanding the original tweet

therezia/jessica's original tweet was the first of 4, and the following 3 tweets made it clear that she was exposing antisemitism, on the "occupy wall street" facebook page (by reprinting the cartoon in case they deleted it) …

therezia's comments on the accompanying tweets were "In case they delete this THIS IS ON OCCUPY WALL STREET'S FACEBOOK" and "what the **** is wrong with people lately?"


Rich Armbach

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 15:03

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Harv seems as good at tracking down antiSemitic tweets as he is at cinematography


joshua789

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 15:34

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Give Harvs a break - he is only a cabbie remember. You can't expect him to think things through.


Harvey

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Happy Goldfish @ rose tinted glasses

@ThereziaCooper @RomanFox2 Lets work this out. You put an evil, anti-Semitic, hateful carton on display because you DONT LIKE IT!? Really?!
10:35pm - 6 Jan 13

File under the Greta Berlin # holocaust denier video posted for research purposes only
Or the BDS Groups tweet of antisemitic Press TV article # not us - other BDS twitter account
Or the BDS. Groups RT of Louis Farrakhan @ busted

If these people tell you the sun rises in the East get a second opinion .

Armbach - check for your comments on HP lobbying @ we have the power
Josh 17 3/4 - behave yourself


Rich Armbach

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:36

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Who is " we " Harv ? Not a rhetorical question I would really like to know. Potentially useful information though. I knew that already but it is useful to have you confirm it publicly.

Armbach - check for your comments on HP lobbying @ we have the power


Rich Armbach

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 14:40

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happygoldfish

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:01

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harvey, there are anti-racist websites which expose anti-semitism by re-publishing anti-semitic cartoons

this can be an valuable resource against people who don't believe there's anti-semitism in certain media

in this case, jessica nero claimed to expose the anti-semitism in the occupy-wall-street movement

if you ask "but then why didn't she just link to the ows facebook page, instead of re-publishing their cartoon?",

the answer is the one she gave at the time … ows could just remove the cartoon, and then there'd be no proof of their anti-semitism

harvey, i agree this could just be an excuse, but i'm not following why you say it is

(and yes, i know jessica nero is one of the ahava convicts, but that doesn't of itself mean she approves of anti-semitic cartoons)


Mary in Brighton

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 15:27

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Harvey doesn't seem to be having a good couple of days.


Harvey

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 17:39

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Happy
Yes it is a pity that I have to play realist against your commendable Devils Advocate but that is what it comes down to .
Nero is a militant anti capitalist and anarchist . As such she would support the OWS objectives and means . There is no mention of the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se . Instead there is anger -WTF - that OWS have been careless to post an overtly antisemitic image thereby harming the cause
Here are several of the original tweets which have been screen saved , also in case they are removed .

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260829612500717568

Here she mentions OWS alluding to a fake account .
( standard fare for these dissemblers of fact )

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260830638024839168

The fact is BDS have been called out time and again for their antisemitism masquerading as antizionism

Here is Janet Green
http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/palestine-solidarity-camp...

Greta Berlin

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/greta-berlins-statement...

Carole Swords telling Jews to go back to Russia . Just imagine telling a British Asian to go back to India or Pakistan .

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/22/carole-swords-of-respect-go-back-to-r...

Mary hughes Thompson stalwart of Free Gaza commenting on rabid antisemite and guest writer on Atzmons de Liberation Adrianna Theokopoulos blog

http://www.boldfacenews.com/support-the-state-for-jews/

Don't let me start on Pamela Hardyment .

So yes you could be right in which case Nero @ # girl cry wolf
But the overwhelming evidence is against .


Harvey

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 18:00

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Armbach

The ' we ' referred to and your question for 500 ,000 squid . Answers
A . The illuminati
B. The ' Zionist ' Lobby
C. My uncle Barneys Free Mason Lodge
D. ' My husband and I ' ie the ' Royal We '


Rich Armbach

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 18:30

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I have to say, you had me going there, Harv, but I know sure as hell they wouldn't let Barney Rubble into Free Masonry.


Rich Armbach

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Would that be the renegade queen?


happygoldfish

Tue, 01/08/2013 - 18:43

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Harvey: Nero is a militant anti capitalist and anarchist . As such she would support the OWS objectives and means .

what do the ows objectives and means have to do with anti-semitic cartoons?

in fact, what do "militant anti capitalism and anarchism" have to do with anti-semitic cartoons?

Harvey: There is no mention of the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se . Instead there is anger -WTF - that OWS have been careless to post an overtly antisemitic image thereby harming the cause

harvey, you posted two tweets …

9:46 p.m. Tue, Oct 23: What the **** is wrong with people lately?
3:50 a.m. Wed, Oct 24: Right, so the occupy wall street twitter say the image is from a fake account? Maybe I'm just late on this... I hope so.

… i don't see anything in them to support your interpretation that she is angry only because it is "harming the cause"

(and the first tweet does seem to criticise "the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se")

you haven't alleged any previous behaviour by her …

and i don't understand why you think previous behaviour by the others you quoted has any relevance to her attitude or intentions

Harvey: So yes you could be right in which case Nero @ # girl cry wolf
But the overwhelming evidence is against .

even if you had produced previous similar behaviour by her, i don't understand what possible interpretation of "crying wolf" would apply here

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Harvey

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Harvey: Nero is a militant anti capitalist and anarchist . As such she would support the OWS objectives and means .
what do the ows objectives and means have to do with anti-semitic cartoons?
in fact, what do "militant anti capitalism and anarchism" have to do with anti-semitic cartoons?

By ' objectives and means ' I refer to their general cause of anti capitalism and not the bolt on exemplified by the antisemitic cartoon . I mention it as it is evident that Nero , a militant anti capitalist would be supportive of the OWS movement and would be concerned that the cartoon would damage the cause . This is similar to Greenstein holding a PSC vote to oust an antisemite . Not because he's an antisemite but because it harms the cause .

9:46 p.m. Tue, Oct 23: What the **** is wrong with people lately?
3:50 a.m. Wed, Oct 24: Right, so the occupy wall street twitter say the image is from a fake account? Maybe I'm just late on this... I hope so.
… i don't see anything in them to support your interpretation that she is angry only because it is "harming the cause"
(and the first tweet does seem to criticise "the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se")

And unfortunately I see nothing to suggest her concern relates to the intrinsic antisemitism of the cartoon as relates to Jewish people so we have an impasse out of our differing interpretation of the tweet . That's fine . Perhaps I've been round the block with these people a little more often which heightens ones sensitivities .

I haven't alleged any previous behaviour which doesn't mean it does not exist , only that I'm unaware . As for the other references , I cite them as a evidence of a pattern of an emerging and widespread pattern . See HP archives .

As for the quip Girl Cry wolf , it was simply a means of suggesting I could be wrong ( doubtful ) in which case Nero is the victim of the repeated exposee of BDS embedded antisemitism .


happygoldfish

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Harvey: I mention it as it is evident that Nero , a militant anti capitalist would be supportive of the OWS movement and would be concerned that the cartoon would damage the cause …

i agree, but there's nothing wrong with that (if it's not her only reason)

Harvey: And unfortunately I see nothing to suggest …

I haven't alleged any previous behaviour …

yes, "nothing", "haven't any" …

(just an absence of supporting evidence )

in all your long reply, there's still isn't…

happygoldfish: anything in them to support your interpretation that she is angry only because it is "harming the cause"

and even if your unsupported allegations (of hypocrisy) were true, how would that make her …

Harvey: … contender for the BDS antisemite of the year …

… you're not actually alleging any antisemitism (by her) anyway

Harvey: As for the quip Girl Cry wolf , it was simply a means of suggesting I could be wrong ( doubtful ) in which case Nero is the victim of the repeated exposee of BDS embedded antisemitism .

uhh? are you now saying that it may be you (and colleagues) who have been "crying wolf" (ie making lying complaints)?

Harvey

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 13:36

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Happy (and the first tweet does seem to criticise "the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se")

Happy you have confused her original tweets which accompanied the antisemitic cartoon with her ' first tweet ' Jan 6th which objected to the antisemitic content of the OWS blog .
There was no criticism as such in the original tweets .

https://mobile.twitter.com/RomanFox2/status/288011902649520128

In other words , there was only a direct reference to the antisemitic content of the post once her original tweets were identified several months later .

It happened with Greta Berlin and was called out by EI .
It's merely another in a long line of cover ups and disclaimers


happygoldfish

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Harvey: Happy you have confused her original tweets which accompanied the antisemitic cartoon with her ' first tweet ' Jan 6th which objected to the antisemitic content of the OWS blog . There was no criticism as such in the original tweets . https://mobile.twitter.com/RomanFox2/status/288011902649520128 In other words , there was only a direct reference to the antisemitic content of the post once her original tweets were identified several months later .

no!! in your own link she shows the accompanying tweets she made at the same time as the cartoon!

why are you claiming that they were not sent that same day?

(and btw, what day are we talking about? … you haven't said … indeed, you put her up for the 2013 "award", which suggests you didn't then know that it was in 2012 … have your ever seen it?)


Harvey

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Let me try once again and that will be it .

https://mobile.twitter.com/RomanFox2/status

This link provides tweets 1-4 which were posted on the 23rd October .
However the first tweet is a response on the 6th January to Foxtrot and is the first and only time Nero mentions the antisemitic context of the OWS cartoon . In that tweet she also refers Foxtrot to the original 4 tweets 1-4 none of which mention the antisemitic context .

That is why Brighton against BDS and Foxtrot were on her case .
The disapproval of the antisemitic element of the cartoon only appeared a few days ago .

If Nero disapproved of the antisemitic context she should have said it loud and clear at the time
Here are two of the original tweets

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260830638024839168

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260829612500717568

And yes I have seen the original twitter stream . It started on the 23rd October .
The two tweets above are copied from that .
If you still fail to accept I suggest you take the time to scroll back yourself as I did .

The faux concern regarding the antisemitic aspect is a bolt on tweet on the 6th Jan

I will not be replying to any further comments on the subject .


zaheerayin

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:48

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Mary in Brighton

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happygoldfish

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:29

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Harvey: Here are two of the original tweets
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260830638024839168
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThereziaCooper/status/260829612500717568

yes, and those two october tweets confirm that jennifer nero was telling the truth in her january tweet

they are exactly as she said they were!

harvey, your claim that cerain tweets were manufactured later is absurd … the later tweets are identical copies of the earlier ones

9:46 p.m. Tue, Oct 23: What the **** is wrong with people lately?
3:50 a.m. Wed, Oct 24: Right, so the occupy wall street twitter say the image is from a fake account? Maybe I'm just late on this... I hope so.

… and i still don't see anything in them to support your interpretation that she is angry only because it is "harming the cause"

Harvey: However the first tweet is a response on the 6th January to Foxtrot and is the first and only time Nero mentions the antisemitic context of the OWS cartoon . In that tweet she also refers Foxtrot to the original 4 tweets 1-4 none of which mention the antisemitic context .

If Nero disapproved of the antisemitic context she should have said it loud and clear at the time

on the contrary, her october 23rd tweet does appear to be a criticism of "the intrinsic racist nature of the cartoon as an attack on Jewish people per se" …

yes, it's short and pithy (and doesn't use any latin), rather than your ideal "loud and clear", but i don't see how you can read it as anything other than an expression of despair or disgust at the cartoon

nor have you alleged any previous behaviour by her that might displace this obvious reading …

Harvey: And unfortunately I see nothing to suggest …

I haven't alleged any previous behaviour which doesn't mean it does not exist , only that I'm unaware .

… you seem to be relying on an absence of supporting evidence!

in all your long defence, there's still isn't…

happygoldfish: anything in them to support your interpretation that she is angry only because it is "harming the cause"


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suzanna: On Monday, 19 November 2012, security forces killed Hamdi al-Fallah, age 22, during clashes in the area of the Halhul-Hebron bridge on Route 35. He was hit with four live bullets to the chest, arm and leg.

let's see a few more facts, instead of jumping to conclusions

from ma'an news agency (19/11/2012)

Hamdi Mohammad Jawwad Al-Falah, 22, from Hebron was shot four times during clashes in the Bir al-Mahjar neighborhood in western Hebron.
Medics said he had two bullets in the chest, one of which penetrated the heart, a third in the face and another in the knee. He was handed to the Palestinian Red Crescent after 15 minutes, they said.

Witnesses said he was shot at close range during a protest where youth burned tires and threw stones at forces.

An Israeli army spokeswoman said forces were "assaulted by a masked suspect" at a demonstration, and felt an "imminent and present danger for their lives" and shot him with live fire.
"The suspect was killed as a result and the incident is being reviewed," she said.

where is the "breach of human rights" if they shot a masked violent man when in fear of their lives from him?

suzanna: On Saturday, 17 November 2012, Rushdi a-Tamimi, age 31 and the father of one daughter, was injured by live firing by soldiers shooting at youths who threw stones at them in the village of a-Nabi Saleh. He died of his wounds on Monday, 19 November 2012.

it wasn't in the village, a palestinian video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4L3oaYtyLs) shows that it was on a barren hillside (which presumably the palestinians claim they own, but which clearly hasn't been farmed for centuries)

the israeli soldier seems to have been firing at the legs, one bullet hit his thigh, and the other entered his belly just above the leg

the video also shows the israeli soldiers cooperating with the many palestinians who approached to help al-tamimi, carry him down the hillside, and take him by car to hospital

where is the "breach of human rights" if they shot only at the legs of a violent man, and then cooperated in his removal to hospital?

suzanna: Human Rights Award: The IDF for achieving - a ratio of civilian:combatant casualties of around 2:1, i.e. two, armed, uniformed, grown men and one small boy. http://www.btselem.org/video/201200629_soldier_kicks_boy

the b'tselem video (29/6/2012, hebron) doesn't show the boy being kicked … it shows (at 1:34) something which can't be seen, followed (at 1:37) by the boy being released apparently uninjured

and yes, suzanna, a 2:1 ratio is better than that of any other country

joshua789: So what when it took place? That excuses it does it? … What's the 'human rights' ratio on that one then?

that certainly was a breach of human rights by the idf 25 years ago

(the soldiers said that rabin's order authorised it: rabin said it didn't)

that doesn't excuse it, but nor does it excuse bringing up something … which lasted a short time and was stopped by israeli public outrcry 25 years ago … to make racist allegations against the present idf


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 11:48

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good comment..

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