Zionism doesn't need propagandists

Zionism doesn't need joe millis.

hey, miligramsam, YOU talking about "not needing propaganda lies"?

Very funny. To spread your own sick brand of anti-Zionist propaganda, you've been caught lying so far 6 times in about 10 days - and never been able to rebut ANY of the charges.

But then, you are no Zionist. Zionism needs no lies, but miligramsam has nothing to sell without them.

One of the comments on this op-ed:

I had the privlidge of taking courses taught by Prof. Avineri at Hebrew U and, now as then, his depth of knowledge and understanding is facsinating. I would, however, add one more point to the mix. It is impossible to understand and appreciate the historical significance of the '48 Arab refugee issue without putting it into a broader historical context. First of all, those who accuse Israel of "ethnic cleansing" need to acknowledge that in EVERY instance during '48 in which Arab forces were successful in capturing Jewish civilian population centers, the Jewish civilians (men, women and children) was immediately expelled by the Arab forces and not allowed to return. Examples include Gush Etzion, the Jewish Quarter of of the Old City of Jerusalem and Yad Mordechai. If the numbers of Jewish refugees was smaller than the number of Arab refugees it is only due to the Arab lack of success on the battle field. We need to also recall that population exchanges were common at the end of WWII and the early post colonial period. Millsions of ethnic Germans who's ancestors had lived for generations throughout central and Easter Europe in what are today Poland, the Czech Republic, etc... were unceramoniously expelled by the Red Army. The partition of India into Pakistan and India resulted in population exchanges of millions of civilians. And yes, even though the Jews of muslim countries were ultimately received and integrated into Israeli society (albeit not without difficulties), that does not take away from the fact that in many cases they fled the Muslim countries in which their ancestors had recided for many centuries (often from long before the advent of Islam) as a result of opression and descrimination they suffered at the hands of their Arab neighbors.

Advis3r, what you have written is very logical and could well solve many problems.

With one exception: Halachically, Jews cannot abandon parts of Eretz Yisrael. There is a view that it can be done when life is endangered (Pikuach Nefesh) - but so far that has not been the neccessity, Israel always being stronger than the sum of all its enemies.

Ian, some of us are Jews but don't give a flying squirrel, quite frankly, for the Halacha. We believe in the Jewish nation's historical and legal right to the whole of the Land of Israel, without throwing religious considerations into the mix.

Yoni,
on what exactly do you base the "legal right"? After all, we've been away for 2K years.

The legal right derives from all national groups' right to self-determination. Halacha doesn't come into it.

I was asking Yoni; miligram doesn't come in to it.
Anyway, self-determination does not afford land rights.

miligram, on what legal backgroud do you base your opinion? Certainly nothing in your under-achieving CV.
(This after-hours commenting has to be stopped).