With friends like Anders Behring Breivik

I thought this post was interesting.

EDL-JD seeming to explain away Breivik's attack...

http://www.edlnews.co.uk/edl-news/jewish-div-endorse-norway-attacks

Obviously the extreme right operate on the basis that the enemy of my enemy is my friend - we do not need friends like that but of course the extreme left will pounce on this to try and link Israel with the neo-Nazis.
It also shows that Jews must also never stand with extreme left wing nutters (Respect - "Go back to Russia!")and call for the boycott of Israel.

Also, this editorial in the Jerusalem Post...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=230788

Not cool at all....

Norway is a prominent supporter of the Palestinians

On Millis' logic, Norway is therefore to blame for the atrocities committed by Hamas.

This shows how utterly nonsensical his argument is ...

Jonathan calm yourself down. Not everything has to be written in bold.

It did not take long did it - from Israelnationalnews website

"It did not take long for anti-Zionists to try to pin the massacre in Norway on Israel. The theory began with a way-out blog but now has reached Al Jazeera.

Right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik went on a rampage Friday night and killed more than 90 people, most of them children, at a summer camp sponsored by Norway’s ruling Labor party. Breivik, a neo-Nazi who is against the foreign Muslim invasion of Norway, has made statements in favor of Israel concerning Palestinian Authority demands.

He planned his bombing and follow-up massacre alone, but anti-Israeli elements tried to find a contorted line that could link the slaughter with the Mossad.

The initial anti-Israeli reaction began with a self-styled investigative journalist’s blog in the United States but gained more prominence on the Al Jazeera website in a column written by a former Israeli.

The American blog of Wayne Madsen, who says he is a former U.S. military analyst, wrote that Breivik has been a “supporter of such vile Zionist Islamophobes as Pam Geller and Richard Pipes. Pipes and Geller are ciphers for Israeli intelligence and propaganda elements and provide a clear link between Breivik and Mossad, which is under orders to stage false flag attacks to garner support for Israel against Palestine, Cyprus and Norway being the two most recent examples of Mossad-staged attacks.”

Madsen, who previously has written that President Barack Obama wants him dead, also claimed that the “Obama administration covers up for Israel by calling attack ‘domestic.’ With ample evidence of Mossad involvement in Oslo, it is up to every one of us to report to the Nth degree any suspicious contacts with Israelis or Israeli sympathizers.”

Al Jazeera gave more credence to the Mossad theory by publishing an article by Gilad Atzmon, an Israeli-born British jazz saxophonist and political activist known for his criticisms of Zionism, Jewish identity, and Judaism.

Atzmon harped on the Norwegian Labor party’s support for boycotting Israel and noted, “The Labor Party Youth Movement have been devoted promoters of the Israel Boycott campaign. Many of the children who were gunned down by Breivik earlier had held up anti-Israel signs."

Atzmon tried connecting dots between the murders and the fact that Breivik “was a regular poster on several Norwegian internet sites, notably the blog document.no, which is run by Hans Rustad… Jewish, extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against ‘Islam-isation’, violence, and other social problems he assumes to be connected with Muslim immigration.”

Another site that pointed to the Mossad, and which Atzmon quoted, was the American Veterans Today, which is fervently anti-Israel. The website carried a post that said the “car bombing carries the signature of an intelligence agency. Nobody else bothers with such things.”

Atzmon cautioned, “I am not in a position at present to firmly point a finger at Israel... but assembling the information together, and considering all possibilities may suggest that Anders Behring Breivik might indeed, have been a Sabbath Goy."

“Within its Judaic mundane-societal context, the Sabbath Goy is simply there to accomplish some minor tasks the Jews cannot undertake during the Sabbath. But within the Zion-ised reality we tragically enough live in, the Sabbath Goy kills for the Jewish state. He may even do it voluntarily.”

He continued his own logic linking the Mossad with the murders by relying on talkbacks in a Hebrew article, where some readers allegedly praised Breivik and one stated, “It's stupidity and evil not to desire death for those who call to boycott Israel."

Atzmon’s concluded, “The full facts of the Norwegian tragedy are, as yet, unknown, but the message should by now be transparently and urgently clear to all of us: Western intelligence agencies must immediately crackdown on Israeli and Zionist operators in our midst, and regarding the terrible events of the weekend, it must be made absolutely clear who it was that spread such hate and promoted such terror, and for what exact reasons.”

Jonathan, if the cap fits... Those who stood with the EDL and didn't try to remove these Nazis should hang their heads in shame.

Yes, Jon, the Jerusalem Post editorial was a disgrace. They might as well blame Jews for the Holocaust. It's the same argument.

Millis, what is your evidence that the EDL are "Nazis"? On what do you base this assertion?

Likewise, do you condemn the far left groups which have aligned themselves with Islamist groups?

It's too soon to start pointing fingers after such a massacre. While it goes without saying the assassin committed a horrendous act, it doesn't invalidate all his views.

{Breivik also praises Israel’s policies saying, “Throughout the years, [Israel] has not granted most of its Muslim residents civil rights -- in stark contrast to Europe, which opened its doors to Muslims and granted them exaggerated rights and citizenship."}

There's some truth here to what he says about Muslim immigration. I don't think immigrants should be encouraged to become citizens without trying to assimilate them. Why should anyone be allowed to march in the street with placards that say "Death to the West"?, while anyone who voices any opposition in public might be arrested for hate speech?

We need to segregate what he did from his beliefs.

No, Steven, he y=used Israel as an examplar. His views, like all those of the far right and other Nazis (EDL, for instance) are invalid.

Er no! The point being made is don't let one madman carrying out a despicable act of barbarity hi-jack the discussion of whether multiculturalism is/or is not good for society. For example France and Belgium have both banned the burkha, Jack Straw called for it to be banned in the UK so these countries have shown they believe multi-culturalism must be limited since this would not result in a cohesive society - however Israel has not banned the burkha. On the other hand although some Muslims are radicalised we should not let the Islamist terrorists who carry out acts of barbarity and are against peace hi-jack any attempt at rapproachment between those Jews and Arabs seeking a genuine peace.

Millis repeats his contention that the EDL are Nazis, yet refuses to say how he comes to this conclusion. His hypocrisy in ignoring the leftist/Islamist axis is also evident.

Amber, what is YOUR opinion on the EDL?

Interesting piece on the CST blog from 2009 here:
http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=555

Hands up all those who think the EDL are Nazis

They're right behind you.

The question of whether the EDL are nazis is a complete red herring. This isn't 1920's 0r 30's or 40's Germany so the question is of little interest.

But, Breivik and Jonathan and his handful of Ahava raggle taggle gypsies are all fans of the EDL and seemingly happy to stand with them in their racism , Islamophobia and homophobia.

This doesn't prove anything but does raise a lot of questions and set off a lot of alarm bells.

If I were to assassinate 100 people and proclaim a belief in the law of gravity, have I now placed gravity in disrepute? The answer is obviously no, because a man's actions and beliefs are not always one and the same.

I agree that Jews shouldn't stand with Breivik, nor should they stand with Westernphobes either. Secondly, it's possible to stand with others on select issues. It's not an all or nothing proposition.

That is also nonsense, Steven - and it's disingenuous. No one except nutters places gravity in disrepute. But there are plenty of "respectable" people who believe that Muslims and multiculturalism are the root of all evil today. And have you noticed that when it's a right winger who goes on a killing spree, then he or she is a "deranged individual" (McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, Ami Popper, etc), yet when there is a terror attack, then it's Islam in general that's at fault.

My reference to the law of gravity was only an example in logic. If a mass murder declares proposition 'X', that doesn't automatically prove or disprove 'X'.

The response to Muslims varies in the media. You're right about the treatment from right wing killers from more conservative media. It's different from liberal mainstream media.

In the US, when Army psychiatrist Col. Hassan gunned down 12 servicemen, I didn't hear the mainstream media tarring all Muslims. Yet, when a lone gunman killed 6 in Tucson, Arizona last winter and wounded Congressman Giffords; much of the the same media blamed the Tea Party. I had a letter published in the NY Post about that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/letters/forget_the_blame_game_this_...

Who needs the mainstream media, when you have "fair and balanced" Fox News and other Murdochian outlets. They are very quick to tar all Muslims. What you consider "liberal" - the NY Times, WaPo etc - as if that is some sort of dirty word, is actually quite conservative.
As for Congresswoman Giffords's attacker, he did buy into the philosophy of the Tea Party. He wasn't a deranged loner. To say otherwise is to be an apologist for his actions.