Security men for peace

Yawn!

Ad maybe if you got more sleep and cut back on your 24/7 vigil on here, you wouldn't be so tired.

Ah your concern for me is touching - maybe I am paid to be here?

Just think of the compensation you'll get when you move to Israel.

Yep I am only here for the money!

Shalom I hope comes of it...no plan except the Lord's is perfect, so we have to take
one that is good and go with it.
The instability in the region is one reason to take initiative. Terror attacks against Israelis are way up just now. So something that works to prevent more madness is good, however imperfect, and that the former Mossad head is on this may just give it weight.
I live in NY, there is lots of anxiety over the whole region...lots of stories in the press, but after of course articles on Charlie Sheen and Linsday Lohan. I'm only half kidding. Obama stayed out of Libya; one wonders what will get done in Bahrain - where lots of killings in the villages went unreported, even though the Bahrain Freedom Movement was chronicling it...the NYT paid no attention.
Obama and Clinton are of much less use than people realise...what will be will have to be because those who are on the scene take the initiative. It does seem the more the politicians say peace peace there is war...
So let us pray and put this in higher hands, with no credit going to them.

Shalom I hope comes of it...no plan except the Lord's is perfect, so we have to take
one that is good and go with it.
The instability in the region is one reason to take initiative. Terror attacks against Israelis are way up just now. So something that works to prevent more madness is good, however imperfect, and that the former Mossad head is on this may just give it weight.
I live in NY, there is lots of anxiety over the whole region...lots of stories in the press, but after of course articles on Charlie Sheen and Linsday Lohan. I'm only half kidding. Obama stayed out of Libya; one wonders what will get done in Bahrain - where lots of killings in the villages went unreported, even though the Bahrain Freedom Movement was chronicling it...the NYT paid no attention.
Obama and Clinton are of much less use than people realise...what will be will have to be because those who are on the scene take the initiative. It does seem the more the politicians say peace peace there is war...
So let us pray and put this in higher hands, with no credit going to them.

The problem is that Israel reacts rather than pro-acts. Its only "peace" initiative to date has been the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza which was intended to kill off the peace process. The withdrawal from Lebanon came about because the cost became to high to bear.
Perhaps if Netanyahu wasn't so scared and stopped kicking things into the long grass in the hope that people wouldn't notice, some progress can be made. But when it comes to taking decisions, Netanyahu's a coward.

Yep that netanyahu sure is a coward that explains his acceptance of Palestinian statehood, and the concept of two states for two peoples...why he temporarily prohibited Jewish construction on the West Bank; put a hold on Jewish construction in Jerusalem; prohibited Jewish building on the West Bank and Jerusalem following the end of his construction ban; curtailed IDF counter-terrorism operations on the West Bank; looked the other way on illegal Arab construction in Jerusalem; allowed the deployment of a US-trained Palestinian army on the West Bank knowing the day may come when they might turn their weapons on Israelis; removed over 400 security checkpoints on the West Bank to facilitate Palestinian travel; and eased the Israeli embargo on Gaza despite Hamas's outspoken goal of exterminating Israel - a sure sign of a coward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KLFrye9Xk

no comment necessary

We have heard what you are against but would Otway, Watchful Iris and/or Millis confirm that they support the plan referred to in the heading otherwise why bring it up?

BTW when it comes to disingenuity no one can beat this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhfBn_ubA10

Or how about this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow

or even this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LOJAx56h7g

politicians lie get over it!

politicians lie get over it!

so the only hope is anarchy ??

politicians lie get over it!

And army officers too ?

Does Mr. Goldstone know about this?

Yes even army officers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1475781/Army-lied-over-fatal-TA-s...

But don't worry Watchful no one's ever going to call for a UNHRC Goldstone Report on the British Army.

I note that none of you have indicated whether you support the latest peace initiative suggested by a broad coalition of former security and armed forces personnel. I'll take that as a no then since it does not require Israel to dissolve itself.

You take it wrong. I agree with it. And I see the right wing Jerusalem post today said Israel must be proative rather than reactive, which was my point earlier.

You calll the JPost right wing - that is some stretch for a newspaper that gives an unrestricted platform to Larry Derfner, David Newman and Gershon Baskin to name just three.
I note you say you support the plan but you tell me I am not allowed to stay in the 7% of the West bank the plan suggests will be retained by Israel - do you therefore agree that that is a fair compromise and I can sleep easy in my bed tonight?
Of course on a practical note by publishing this the co-authors have fallen into the same trap as Yossi Beilin did with the Geneva Accords - the Arabs will take this as the starting point for negotiations and not the bottom line as such I fear it is doomed to failure because they will just up the ante to something Israel is unable to accept.

Depends where you live and whether the 7% offered the Palestinians is of equal quality in Israel. Editorially, and this was a JP editorial, is right wing. Those people you mentioned are outside contributors.