Perpetuating a hoax

Millis let me explain it to you by quoting a paragrapgh from The Settlers by Gadi Taub:

"The inner faith-based circle of religious settlers perceived the state as but an instrument for the fulfillment of the commandment to settle the Land of Israel. . . . It was a struggle between two kinds of Zionism: on one side stood mainstream Zionism, for which self-determination -- the political independence of Jews as embodied in a democratic national state -- was the goal and foundation of Zionism; on the other side stood a religious movement, for which Eretz Israel -- the Land of Israel -- was the center of the Zionist project. According to the former -- a Zionism of state -- the settlement of the land was a means for establishing sovereignty, while for the latter -- a Zionism of land -- sovereignty was a means for settling the land."

That is the difference. It does not need you to call us toxic to see that we each have the legitimate right to see fulfillment of the Jewish dream in a different way - I do not question the legitimacy of your view which sees the stablishment of the State as the final aim equally I do not accept that you can question the legitimacy of my view that the State is the emans to ultimate aim which is the setlement of all the land we beieve was given to us and which has thousands of years of Jewish history to support it.

But the "settlement of the land" beyond a well-defined demographic line causes the demise of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. Even realists in the Likud see this (Meridor, Rivlin and the Likudniks in Kadima). The illegal settlement enterprise in the occupied territories has to be curtailed and the settlers told that they have been used as pawns by successive governments who abused their idealism. And those who went there because of financial inducements have to be told the same. The question is whether there is going to be a leadership in Israel that has the political courage and will to do that.
The settlements have poisoned the debate within Israel as to what a Jewish and democratic state means. They have also contributed greatly to a disconnect between Israel and diaspora Jews.
It's great to have a history, but it's better to have a future. As Thomas Jefferson said: “I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past.”

millis, on another thread, you ignored my question regarding your bold assertion that Israel should give Judea and Samaria to "the Palestinians" - whoever they are.

Which "Palestinians" - Fatah or Hamas?

JC, I note you moderate my comments, but allowed millis' libel that I am Jonathan Hoffman to go without censure.

Why?

Unless they have something constructive or sensible to say - like Advis3r - I do not answer to every cough and fart of people who hide behind pseudonyms.