Israeli zealots take advice…from TV satire

Why am I not surprised that you would mock attempts to teach Jewish children Jewish values and culture having little or none of your own.

Advisor
That's just what it is . A skit . A parody with Israelis doing a rather feeble attempt at humor .
The kids are dubbed and their lips photo shopped into lip synch.
The really funny part is that the Arabs genuinely believe its real and the many Bds / Ism enthusiasts are selling it as genuine .
The reprobate who posted this twaddle is simply backing up the haters .
Why on earth would anyone be surprised by that .
It illustrates the venal character of this individual

Harvey, old bean, did you notice that I said it was satire? And try and copy your interlocutor's name properly next time. It does reveal a certain lack of reading.

My comment was addressed to the second link which refers not to Im Tirtzu but to Education Minister Gidon Saar's admirable attempts to bring back Jewish culture and ethics to Jewish schools.

Except of course as we both know , you have absolutely no interest in the satirical element , but have used it as an opportunity to reinforce your malign stereotype of so called "settlers" .
By so doing you place yourself in the same camp as MPAC
Mondo Weiss , ISM , PSC and the like who thrive on this sort of opportunity to promote their hatred of israel
That puts you firmly in the same camp

Harvey, as someone who stands with the EDL, take the beam out of your own eye. You and the other hasbarah zealots and supporters of the fascist Israeli government are doing more to tarnish Israel and destroy it than anyone from Mpac, PSC or the ISM. That puts you firmly in their camp. You, the zealots and the Jewish Brotherhood are doing their work.
Boycott settlement produce.

Millis obviously no interest in the truth and once again an empty gesture much the same as your friends in Peace Now whose attempts to oversea the dismantling of the Jewish State while receiving tax breaks for doing so are now under threat; sanity at last prevails.

Education Minister Gidon Saar's admirable attempts to bring back Jewish culture and ethics to Jewish schools.

Jewish culture is thousands of years old.The State of Israel is 63 years old. These lay downs are not about Jewish culture. They are about inculcating a warped caricature of Jewishness and Zionism.

This is why I am a real Zionist and you are contra zionist.

Funny I thought the Ethics of the Fathers was written over two thousand years ago - warped caricature of Jewishness? hardly. I also thought that Hebron was the cradle of Jewish life being as it was there that Abraham lived and was buried.
Why don't you actually read the article Millis linked to before attempting an asinine comment.
You are no more a Zionist than was Yasser Arafat at least he openly denied Jewish claims to the Land of Israel you do it by stealth.

No, RR, these laws are nothing about Zionism. They have everything to do with ultra-nationalism, fuelled by paranoia and fear. In that, the proposers of these laws are no different from any other far-right isolationist and supremacy movement.

Millis you do not even red the links you post yourself -how dismal can you get?

More ridiculous hyperbole from Millis - most of it to hide the real fact that at last Israel will not fund organisations that call for its demise. No one is stopping you not buying goods from Judea and Samaria - however do not be surprised if someone who loses his job because of your attempt to stifle his point of view sues you. You beleiev you have a right to a point of view but you deny someone who holds an opposing view to hold that view by threatening him with a boycott - who is the bully?

Will the real Zionist please stand up?!

More seriously, I hadn't realized that they had the same flag and the same anthem, all those thousands of years ago.

How fascinating.

Advis3r, if the jcwebmaster had any kind of compassion at all he/she would put you out of your misery.

Tap....tap....tap....

I am orthodox Jewish Israeli whose three children have been educated here, grown up here, served in the army and completed national service. They and every one of their huge circle of friends - who include sabras, immigrants,orthodox, secular, sephardi, ashkenazi, left wing and right wing people - are all loyal citizens of Israel. And, wonder of wonders, they all manage to be so without singing hatikva and raising the Israeli flag on a daily basis as young children.

In my opinion, what Advis3r calls "Education Minister Gidon Saar's admirable attempts to bring back Jewish culture and ethics to Jewish schools", will simply cheapen children's attachment to the flag and the anthem. I am always moved when I sing Hatikva and see the Israeli flag because that happens on special occasions, not every single morning by rote.

This is, sadly, a symptom of our lack of confidence as a nation. As I have pointed out above, Israel is quite capable of producng first-class citizens without resorting to this type of directive.

Todah, Marian, I think that's part of the point I was trying to
make, but as ever you do it far more eloquently than I.

Mrs Lebor you quote me out of context. First leaving aside the flag and the anthem the Minister wants Israeli children to learn the Ethics of the Fathers please tell me your objections to that - that is what I meant by Jewish culture and ethics. The flag and the anthem are something quite different.
Secondly so far as the National Anthem is concerned again you did not read the article. It is not daily but once a week. This happens in the USA I do not see anyone complaining there. And who are you to say that some child or indeed many children may actually take pride in singing the Hatikvah at the beginning of the school week?
The fact is that apparently unlike your children and their friends many children growing up in Israel today have no idea why we are here and nor do they grow up in environment conducive to a sense of belonging to one people. This is not a symptom of lack of confidence but an attempt to redress the fact that many children in Israel do not know that they are part of the Jewish Nation which is the reason why we have this country.

It's a shame that the zealots have lost all perspective and believe that they and only they are sole representatives of what Jews must be. But zealots are like that the world over. Humourless, po-faced fear-mongers and cowards they are who want to ghettoise their own ethnic group.
For them it's all blood, flags and land and the superiority of their group, their stones, their dust.
Thankfully their fascist legislation has come as a wake-up call to the rest of us. And it will boomerang on them since the majority of Jews now see down which dangerous path they are being pushed, the obscenities that are proposed in their name.
Luckily, Israel's zealots are too stupid to realise the damage they are wroughting themselves. Unfortunately, they don't seem to realise the damage they are causing Israel and the Jews.

If you wanted proof of how they believe themselves to be superior and holders of the sole way, Marian.... Talk about superiority complex.

More hysterical hyperbole - I hope you're glad you entered this discussion now Mrs Lebor supporting anything Mr Millis says brings forth intelligent comments like this "Thankfully their fascist legislation has come as a wake-up call to the rest of us."
He is unable to argue against giving someone wrongly boycotted a right of civil redress but instead resorts to hysterical name calling. Nice.

What the zealots appear not to understand, Marian, is that in a democracy, which Israel was until it started sliding towards fascism, Voltaire's dictum that "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for you to be able to say it" holds true.
The zealots have now broken that rule, so they shouldn't be too upset that their pet projects are fair game.
As well as boycotting settlements and their produce, they should be made to pay in other ways - perhaps a refusal to send soldiers to guard them is in order. After all, in many instances, commanders and soldiers who put their lives on the line when they are sent to guard these toxic obscenities have been called "Nazis" and the like.

I was commenting on your comment about the flag and anthem, advis3r, not Joe Millis's blog. I don't believe it should be sung routinely during the school week.

Regarding the way Jewish values are being taught in Israeli schools, that is another matter and definitely needs addressing. The anthem and flag have nothing to do with Jewish values, in my opinion.

BTW, advis3r [again, commenting on your comment]: how do you define "someone wrongly boycotted? Should I now think twice before calling for a boycott of Haaretz due to a particular piece of its coverage of the flotilla which I found crossed journalistic ethical norms? Will the paper now have "a right of civil redress" against me?

Heavens show me any part of the anti-Boycott law which stops anyone from sounding off. Under the Laws of the State of Israel it is illegal to boycott Arabs perhaps you will explain why Jews should not have the same protection at least from organisations and individuals that take money from the State.
You show your complete loss of any moral compass by suggesting that soldiers be withdrawn from guarding the settlements - to facilitate G-d forbid another Itamar massacre? Why don't you engage your brain before you write such incredibly mindless and revolting posts.

Wrongly boycotted - Neve Gordon calling on foreign universities to boycott Ben Gurion University and anyone working there for no other reason than it is an Israeli Institution that is what the Law says. The Law does not prevent people boycotting Haaretz cottage cheese or even the Rabbanut - many people already do so.

"The Law does not prevent people boycotting Haaretz cottage cheese or even the Rabbanut" -- so advis3r what will the law prevent?

See, Marian, how hysterical the zealots become. First, they try and involve all Jews by saying it will lead to a call for a worldwide boycott of Jewish produce. Then, they invoke terrorism. Why should the good people of Israel be the zealots' beasts of burden? Why should they have to pay a price and put their lives on the line only to be abused and worse by the zealots? They broke the rule of mutual respect and responsibility, reciprocation is in order.
And did you notice, Marian, that they are very quick to construct straw men (and women)? It isn't personal boycotts that are illegal, it's the call for one, so if you do call for a boycott of Haaretz, cottage cheese, the rabbinut or the settlers, then you are liable for civil damages.

Please see my post yesterday the law does not prevent anything it provides redress for someone coming within the Law to seek redress see

http://www.thejc.com/blogs/advis3r/an-alternative-view-eliyahu-stone-ht-...

Millis you have lost the plot! There are consequences to Jews calling for boycotts of other Jews - the people standing outside Ahava actually said that Ahava is going to play the Jewish card and open in Golders Green. Secondly you call for soldiers to be withdrawn from the jewish Communities who are surrounded by Arabs who have been so radicalised as to believe it is their Holy duty to kill Jews and who cannot even contemplate living next to a Jew even if it's their own country. Again you misrepresent the Law.
The legislature has asserted its right to re-level the economic playing field and provide Israel's professors, farmers, merchants, entrepreneurs, hospitals and cultural institutions with some mechanism for defending themselves against the tyranny of those who would concentrate their economic might to wreak havoc upon them by precluding any association and commerce with them due only to some connection with the State of Israel, any of its institutions, or an area under its control (the Disputed Territories).

See, Marian, how the zealots invoke all the Jews when it suits them. So how they build straw man arguments. This boycott has nothing to do with Jews as Jews, but it is aimed at the zealots and those they support in the occupied territories. They killed Jewish unity and mutual help, and now they are trying to blame others for their failings. Their hysteria in trying to get us all involved is quite telling.

Calm down! You are now making a fool of yourself. I can see as someone who let's not put too finer a point on it hates Jews (zealots/fascists as you call them) who live in Judea and Samaria you would feel threatened by this legislation - well do so. You see you have not yet won the argument - all the polls show that many Israelis would swap most of Judea and Samaria for genuine peace and that includes even those on the very right of the spectrum. However to date you and those holding your views have not convinced us living here that by giving up all that we sincerely hold dear for the greater good that we would in return get a genuine peace and the Arabs certainly by what they say and what they do do not engender any such conviction. So instead of reinforcing your arguments or even convincing the Arabs that a genuine peace would be as good for them as it would be for us to attack us for being obduratye in wanting a safe and secure home for our children and you join with the enemies of peace (whose sole interest as they repeatedly say is by economic means to achieve the dismantling of the Jewish State and the formation of an Arab secular (or if Hamas get their way) Islamic republic where the Jews will just have to take their chances) in declaring boycotts against Jews simply because they are Jews who do not hold your political views in order to force us to put ourselves in jeopardy. Well no thank you.