Interesting one......

Very interesting Chris. It doesn't look good does it?

Thank god / allah / whatever for Haaretz though. (and the Guardian :)

Chris Tucker: On Abbas' recent visit to London, British "Jewish leaders" arranged to meet with him.

you made that up

They never arranged to meet with him, nor did they say that they would do so.

The haaretz report that you referred to only says:

Efforts to arrange a public meeting between Abbas and Jewish leaders in Britain began several weeks ago, when British Foreign Office officials and Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian envoy to London, asked leaders of the Jewish community if they would meet with Abbas, the Israeli sources said. … Cameron's office and the Foreign Office had pushed the Jewish leaders to meet with Abbas, the sources said. They said members of the Jewish community had asked Daniel Taub, the Israeli ambassador to London, for the Israeli government's opinion.

you are trying to give the impression that they agreed, and then changed their minds

Re read it. You are right the impression they had made up their minds was not one that should have been given. I apologise for that.

Having said that I can't see what turns on it. They were encouraged and advised to meet him by the British government. They obviously were not averse to the idea but first felt they needed to get the opinion and advice of a foreign government. Obviously the opinion of this foreign government carried more weight then the advice of their own.

Obviously the British government must have felt it in British interests that they did so. Fill in the blanks........

So Tucker faced by the inconvenient truth wriggles and wriggles.

The British Government have an agenda - wring as many concessions out of Israel before any serious negotiations take place. The British government's position toward Israel has so hardened that thay condemn Israel for settlement building even when there has been none. They obviously do not like the democratically elected govenment of Israel because it will not play their game and roll over and die so they seek to embarrass it by getting British Jews to do their job for them.

It is well known that Abbas the coward that he is, is too frightened to meet Netanyahu face to face and so he is using contacts with Jewish communities in the diaspora to try and coerce concessions from Israel which he has no hope of obtaining in negotiations.

Thankfully people with sense realised the ploy and refused to be used in that way.

"Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations."

Yes it is antisemitic to accuse Jews of being more loyal to Israel than to the UK

Is that what you are doing Tucker?

Chris Tucker: Re read it. You are right …

so i don't need to re-read it!!

Chris Tucker: Obviously the opinion of this foreign government carried more weight then the advice of their own.

(you mean "the advice of this foreign government carried more weight then the advice of their own"? )

no, it presumably carried the same weight …

why do you automatically assume otherwise?

the israeli advice presumably contained arguments and facts which the uk advice didn't

Chris Tucker: Fill in the blanks........

no, you fill in the blanks:

by misinformation and by leaving blanks you're trying to give the impression that uk jewish leaders follow the israeli line without regard to the merits

isn't that racism? (as Jonathan Hoffman points out)

Jonathan your quote beginning " Accusing ..."

Would you attribute it please.

" re read it " was shorthand for " I have re read it ".

Advs3r far from wriggling I immediately coughed up to my misunderstanding. You should practice it, goodness you are not short of opportunities to do so. It is good for the soul.

Goldfish you are doing a lot of presuming.

We know that the British government, who are charged with advancing British interests, encouraged/advised British " Jewish leaders " to meet Abbas. We know that they saw fit to seek opinion/advice from a foriegn government. This advice was to not meet him.

They didn't.

I find this unusual and interesting. You may make of it what you will.

Mary in Brighton: Jonathan your quote beginning " Accusing ..."
Would you attribute it please.

jonathan is quoting the Interparliamentary Coalition for combating Antisemitism (http://www.antisem.org):

see its Ottawa Protocol at http://www.antisem.org/archive/ottawa-protocol-on-combating-antisemitism... …

Ottawa Protocol (november 2010)

… We reaffirm the EUMC – now Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA) – working definition of antisemitism, which sets forth that:
“Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective – such as, especially but not exclusively – the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy, or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

• (see also its London Declaration on Combating Antisemitism (2009) at http://www.antisem.org/london-declaration/)

Oh yes, I remover it now. It says " COULD" doesn't it.

Thank you.

Chris Tucker: Goldfish you are doing a lot of presuming.

yes, but i am presuming that british jews behave the same way as other british people…

you are presuming (on no evidence ) the racist idea that they behave differently and disloyally

Chris Tucker: I find this unusual and interesting. You may make of it what you will.

what is unusual about listening to two pieces of advice, and preferring one over the other?

what is unusual about ignoring uk government advice?

once again, you are trying to get away with racist innuendo by (your phrase) inviting readers to "fill in the blanks" …

you base your innuendo on nothing more than the argument "i presume that jewish leaders always follow israeli advice … therefore in this case they must have followed israeli advice" …

that is racism