FOR OUR CHILDREN'S SAKE, Enough! We are being walked all over!

Well said. But precisely how do we "make our individual comments perfectly clear when (a) we are way outnumbered, including by the 'as-a-Jews' (b) it is impossible to get airtime on most MSM.

There are sone great blogs eg CifWatch, Elders of Zion - and some great writers - eg Melanie, Robin Shepherd - but it's not enough.

Do you think Lord Sacks will say anything as he is high up?

Israelis tend to be fairly dismissive of this Israel bashing tendency . What does not physically hurt is of no concern . They are far too busy with life ,family ,business etc to get to worked up about it . Their response to Diaspora concerns is " that if it is getting too hot over there come and join us over here " . Their economy is growing expotentially and has weathered the global economic storm so they may have a point . We are the ones working ourselves up into a lather over this unrelenting assault on our brothers and sisters in Israel . We are the ones on the delegitimisation front line who feel it the most .

Im not too sure as regards the Israeli attitude .Are they burying their heads in the sand as they face a perfect storm of hate or are they right to be so damn blase about it .

Harvey: You're right. It's not Israel's problem, it's Britain's problem. But most Brits don't know anything about Israel. So we need help.

Harvey, Israel is a strong country, economically, militarily and politically. Diaspora Jews needn't work themselves up into a lather over Israel. What diaspora Jews must do is ensure that any debate among us is not determined by the terminology of the anti-Semites and anti-Zionists.
As Mick Davis justly clarifies here

The need to engage and retain the commitment of all Jews, particularly young Jews, takes precedence over misplaced fears that debate weakens us and provides ammunition to our enemies.
Ironically, precisely the same argument is sometimes made about "loud, proud, Israel Advocacy"; that it is abused by antisemites and anti-Zionists who go on to attack the "Jewish Lobby". In both cases, my response is the same: we must not allow our enemies to stop us doing what is right, whether that is public support or honest criticism.
Let me be clear about my comments at the LJCC event last year that have created such interest.
My statement that when Israel does good things it is good for me had nothing to do with any concern I might have for how I appear to others as a result of Israel's actions. I could not care less.

And that well-known anti-Zionist, Tzipi Livni made it even clearer:

Ms Livni, speaking to the JC, said: "As leaders, we in Israel must take into account the concerns of diaspora Jewry. Israel is strong enough to take criticism from within the family of Jews, who say, ok, we disapprove of Israeli policy, but we stand firm for Israel."
The leader of the Kadima Party said that diaspora leaders had a "duty" to speak out when Israel "does something wrong".

As Mick Davis justly clarifies here

If what Davis claims 'justified' is using the word "apartheid" then, let's be worried!

Livni means that the diaspora must speak when she does not approve something the government did.

Indeed he was. He said that Israel was sliding towards apartheid, not that it is now an apartheid state. And being South African-born, he knows of what he speaks.

But when I see examples of discrimination against minorities, rabbis who issue racist edicts, the divisions between secular and religious Jews - these all undermine our identity because they fly in the face of the value system of the Jewish people; and run counter to the ideals set out in Israel's Declaration of Independence.
When faced with these manifestations, I speak out, as all Jews should speak out. And when we do, we use our language as Jews and not that of our enemies - for it is the call of an ancient people for justice and fairness. We should never flinch from doing so. It strengthens us.
In connection with the two-state solution, the demographic time-bomb is ticking. It is not just those on the left of Israeli politics that assert this. In "Greater Israel", it will not be long before Jews are the minority.

And Livni is right too. And if she becomes PM, then people on the right will be able to behave like independent thinkers rather than sheep and criticise those policies they don't agree with.

Israel was sliding towards apartheid,

Milligramsam, that is what the French call "to give your enemy a stick to beat you with". A very irresponsible thing to do and very false either. Racism exist everywhere and is not called apartheid even by the local idiots.

And being South African-born, he knows of what he speaks.

Milligramsam, I'm sure Desmond Tutu is also South African but he sure does not have a clue either.

And Livni is right too. And if she becomes PM, then people on the right will be able to behave like independent thinkers rather than sheep and criticise those policies they don't agree with.

Milligramsam, did you ever understand politicians?

See, you lose an argument and become abusive and name call. Now I will ignore you and suggest the JC webmaster fulfil his promise and exclude the name-callers.

....suggest the JC webmaster fulfil his promise and exclude the name-callers.

Dream a little dream with me.

See, you lose an argument

Milligramsam, you didn't win an argument at all. You repeated a falsehood by Davis. Repeating a falsehood is not enough to win an argument. It's just enough to be called Milligramsam.
Which, as far as I know, is no insult.

Dream a little dream with me

Maybe the JC should remove the one-liners?

No, let's be charitable, WI. Have you seen Yoni1 lately?

"And being South African-born, he knows of what he speaks"

Nonsense. An idiot born in SA is still an idiot.

"Do you think Lord Sacks will say anything as he is high up"

A sheep in wolf's clothing. Utterly useless.

Gentleman!
You are all such a pathetic bunch! No wonder the antisemites of this world laugh at us! Just look at the direction of your conversation. You have completely gone off of the subject matter of my article. You are squabbling between yourselves in the same way that you accuse are enemies continually do to each other!
Get a life and remain on topic please. And communicate in an appropriate manner.
That's all I have to say!
Alan

I agree Alan. But as you can see, there are a couple of people (who may well be the same person using aliases and/or hiding behind proxies), who are doing the work of the anti-Semites and anti-Zionists. One wonders if he/she/they are actually pro-Israel at all or are pot-stirring plants. It's best that sensible people, from both the left and right of the Zionist movement, to ignore him/her/them.

Milligramsam, your paranoia is pathetic. The more you write, the more you play the antisemitic game.

As you can see, Alan, the antisemitic and anti-Zionist attention seekers and pot stirrers will continue to try and cause problems. Hopefully the jc webmaster will get rid of him/her/them after the weekend as promised now that their game is clear. shabbat shalom

Poor Milligramsam, you are still not speaking on the subject of the blog. And you play the antisemites' game.

See what I mean, Alan? The anti-Semities and anti-Zionists want us to play their game and they get especially abusive when they get found out. Name-calling is their stock in trade. They just want to be noticed, Napoleonic in fact. They are very small people.

Anyway, Alan, let's let the silly anti-Semite play his games for the next 48 hours or so. Maybe by then, the webmasters here will find away to block those who hide behind proxies.

Maybe by then, the webmasters here will find away to block those who hide behind proxies.

Milligramsam, show your paranoia again, please!

Wow! I haven't looked at many other sites till now, but I'm greatly relieved to discover that I'm not alone in being constantly and hysterically attacked by the derisive yelps of this strange pair, "jose" and "Yoni1". I'd thought it was only me they had their weird wee teeth into!

I think the evidence of their obsessive, logic-lite attacks on other writers, as evidenced here, has to confirm the probability that they are not in the best of mental health. Certainly, I'm relieved to discover they don't really represent the bulk of JC bloggers, who possess at least something of the qualities of debate which Jews can be proud of.

I don't urge Webmaster to banish them. Instead, I suggest he refer them for assessment - I think paranoia is a possible starting point for the duty psychiatrist to consider.

'derisive yelps of this strange pair, "jose" and "Yoni1"'

I now call them dumb & dumber, they are in a constant struggle to out do each other and earn the ultimate accolade.... THE DUMBEST.

Zair, you are notorious as the stupidest, most ignorant and illiterate antisemite on JC by some margin, against some very stiff competition. You are the very last person on JC who should call anybody else 'dumb'.

Walitosser, your grasp of logic is non-existent, as you have proved many times.

Walitosser, your grasp of logic is non-existent, as you have proved many times.