There must be a better way....

Having 1500 million nearly automatic supporters is great help to convince people's mind, and especially politicians' mind because of the vote it represent.

Does it means they are right? There was a time where 'everybody' knew the Earth was flat. Were they right?

And what is the relationship between the Jewish hardline religious fanatics and Israel's policy?
Would a documentary on the BNP be a proof that UK policy is fascistic?

It's Channel 4, innit, the deranged antisemites.

Britain is turning rapidly into Der Stuermer.

In my view last nights programme 'The Promise, was relatively balanced although it did not of course give the whole story. If it continues in this vein over the next three weeks then I, for one, will breath a sigh of relief. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Let's wait and see.

I still wonder how a program that gives one extremist side of the story can be 'balanced'. Do you mean it showed extremists for what they are? Or did they just mention that they do not represent at all Israel's policy?
Couldn't view the program yet, so I really want to know.

Alan - "There must be a better way!"
You're absolutely right. Israel's Government cannot go on persuading itself its policies are right, cannot be criticised, and that anyone who criticises is by definition seeking to 'delegitimise'.
The major critics are happy for Israel to exist - all they want is for Israel to BEHAVE LEGITIMATELY. That's the only way to earn the respect of the rest of the democratic world. This current upheaval might at last bring Israel to realise that truth.
Enough of the "WE can do no wrong for we are Israel!" attitude. Time to identify instead with the MANY Jews who've been admired throughout our history for their honesty and quality of thinking - starting with Einstein, Freud and countless other great thinkers.

Jose is being honest in admitting she hasn't seen the programme and really wanting to know. I hope she'll watch the remaining instalments.
But Yoni1's "It's Channel 4, innit, the deranged antisemites. Britain is turning rapidly into Der Stuermer." is way beyond being taken seriously. I mean, "If you disagree with me you must be a Nazi!" is really an attitude to be ashamed of, isn't it?

The major critics are happy for Israel to exist

You mean the critics that do not count, Walinuts?
Israel behaves exactly as it should, defending itself against the Nazi HAMAS and Hezbollah.

Jose is being honest in admitting she hasn't seen the programme and really wanting to know. I hope she'll watch the remaining instalments.

First, you have to realise that "Jose" is a male name. Maybe going out of England, to Spain for example, would help.
Second, you have to understand that I don't, like you, confuse extremes with mainstream. So whatever the documentary shows and that I probably already have seen elsewhere, it will make no difference. I am just curious as someone who goes to the zoo to see strange animals.

Jose - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. When you wrote "Couldn't view the program yet, so I really want to know", I believed you.
I really should have known, as you say, that you don't "really want to know" ANYTHING which differs from what you choose to believe. As you've now said, "whatever the documentary shows .... it will make no difference."
As you loudly tell us all, your mind is closed. So can you give any reason at all why anyone should discuss anything with you? Indeed, why do you take part in discussions? Surely you'd feel happier talking to yourself in a mirror?
As to your name, forgive me - it's not always clear from a name what gender a person is; for example, there are men whose name is Shirley....
Anyway, I'll remember you're a man in future, if there ever seems any point in trying to communicate with you again.
Incidentally, talking of names, could you really try your best to spell my name correctly, or is that just too difficult for you?....... no... I guess it IS too difficult, for my name is a FACT, and you don't understand what that word means.
So - nighty-night, Jose, sleep tight.

I really should have known, as you say, that you don't "really want to know" ANYTHING which differs from what you choose to believe. As you've now said, "whatever the documentary shows .... it will make no difference."

I really want to know what is the discourse of the author and if it is "balanced", Walinuts. Because it is difficult to believe that a documentary about religious nuts can lead to a 'balanced' opinion.
But of course the opinion of the author on religious nuts will not change my opinion on the Israeli democracy.
Understood? Or do you need more remedial third grade lessons?

As to your name, forgive me - it's not always clear from a name what gender a person is; for example, there are men whose name is Shirley....

HAHAHA! Your ignorance of the hispanic world is abysmal, Walinuts. Who on Earth ignores that "Jose" is the hispanic name for "Joseph"?
Who is speaking about your "Shirleys". Try to focus on reality instead of trying to find excuses to your ignorance.

Gentlemen;

Remember please, Jose & Stanley that 'The Promise' is a dramatic work of fiction. It is not a documentary. It should be judged firstly on its artistic merit and then whether it is fair. Let's wait for tomorrow night's episode and then comment on it rather than each other.

Then how a fiction can change an opinion of historical facts?
Could it be that Walinuts confuse fiction and realities?

Walinets, how you have the temerity to turn up here again with your broken record of exclusively attackin Israel whilst whitewashing its tyrannical neighbours, having run away from challenging questions on the previous blog, is beyond chutzpah.

Note that Walinuts never apologised for making the same kind of blood libel used in Czarist Russia, against Tsahal.
Did you notice that the 'Palestinians' and their useful stupids are VERY QUIET about the death of Jawaher Abu Rahma?
Not that they apologised either but as they know they were proven wrong, they shut up until the next blood libel opportunity.

"It is not a documentary. It should be judged firstly on its artistic merit"

More thick drivel. An antisemitic piece of fiction is still antisemitic.

Ah! I've just realised why it is I'm an utter anti-Semite and self-hater! It's because I don't scream the TRUTH loud enough. It's because I don't insist hysterically enough that anyone who see things differently to me is beneath contempt.

Please forgive me, dear friends. I should have realised the true nature of truth long ago, and I thank you all for your revelations.

Just one example of my utter stupidity - how could I, Walinuts, have been so unaware of my abysmal ignorance of the hispanic world that I ignore the fact that "Jose" is the hispanic name for "Joseph"? How
could I? I mean, only two years ago my youngest son died in Spain, and I never thought to ask him that before he died. And look - I can't even spell my own name, can I?

I'm truly sorry, dear friends and fellow Jews. Please continue to scream TRUTH at me - the louder you shout, the sooner I will realise what truth is.

And now - please may I watch episode two of 'The Promise', tonight? I assure you I'll cover my eyes and my ears the moment anything appears which I'd rather not see. Thank you.

Ah! I've just realised why it is I'm an utter anti-Semite and self-hater!

Self-hater? For that, it would be necessary to think of yourself as a Jew, let alone a Zionist Jew. Nut antisemite hater, is the correct label for you.

Just one example of my utter stupidity - how could I, Walinuts, have been so unaware of my abysmal ignorance of the hispanic world that I ignore the fact that "Jose" is the hispanic name for "Joseph"?

Well whatever, Walinuts, it is obvious that you didn't even suspect that Jose was the Spanish version of Joseph or you would not have called me "she", would you?

Dumb & dumber doing their double act again.

jose: "Well whatever, Walinuts, it is obvious that you didn't even suspect that Jose was the Spanish version of Joseph or you would not have called me "she", would you?"

Quite so, dear boy. And when I meet up with my son in Heaven I'll certainly tell him off for not teaching me the hispanic origins of 'Jose' before he so inconsiderately died. I'll give him your regards while I'm there, tell him how helpful you've been in this matter.

By the way - are you Spanish? If not, I'm wondering why you prefer to disguise 'Joseph' as 'Jose'? Does Joseph sound to Jewish for you?

A word in youu shell-like, Stanley. Don't rise to his bait. Jose and his alter-ego Yoni1 enjoy it too much. Just let him get on with it and ignore.

Is there anybody on these blogs that you don't think is Jose's alter ego Millis?

And you are a fine one to talk about alter-egos, as we all know.

No Matt. You aren't, and Jonathan H isn't, as well as the anti-Zionists who obviously aren't. And I publish only under my own name.

Mr Melkman - I duly watched the second episode of 'The Promise' last night. It was utterly moving and sad. And amazingly constructed and filmed, in the way it managed to show truths from EVERY side of this incredibly complex situation - how the Holocaust victims were in the right, the kicked-out Palestinians were in the right, even the British soldiers were doing what they thought was right; and how still the terrible situation drags on with no answers in sight - or at least, no answers that those in power are willing to contemplate....
Thank you for bringing this programme into the blogs arena...

And I publish only under my own name.

Now you do, yes. Which is why you've had to moderate your language, since you have a professional reputation to uphold. But your previous alter-ego had no such compunctions did he?

I'm glad you took my advice Joe, now don't push your luck. Okay?

I have no idea what you are talking about, Matt as I have had no previous alter-egos here.

Of course you don't Joe.

"the kicked-out Palestinians were in the right"

It's the JEWS who were the Palestinians, thicko.

And no, the Arabs who sought to murder all the Jews were no more 'in the right' than the Germans were 'in the right' in WW2.

"even the British soldiers were doing what they thought was right"

Only following orders, eh?
Quite a few of them murdered Jews.

By the way - are you Spanish? If not, I'm wondering why you prefer to disguise 'Joseph' as 'Jose'?

Poor Wallinuts, your idiocy has no limit. You wonder about delusions. "Jose" is my name in the civil records and is not "disguise".
It doesn't change the fact that Jose is the Spanish version of Joseph, therfore masculine as any Jew would know.

I have no idea what you are talking about, Matt as I have had no previous alter-egos here.

I wonder how long that 'truth' would last if there was a small investigation of the IP addresses used by some pseudos, banned previously or not, Milligramsam!

and how still the terrible situation drags on with no answers in sight - or at least, no answers that those in power are willing to contemplate....

Poor Wallinuts, there is mainly one answer that the 'Palestinians' never accepted: leave Israel to Israelis, and build their own country wherever they want to live.

Oh dear Jose, you really aren't worth answering, with your endless ' ' around the word Palestine.
You resolutely deceive yourself that Palestine never existed. Would you be interested to know that (possibly before you were born?) the kids at my elementary school, hearing I was a Jew, would shout "Get back to Palestine!" ?

You have no idea of history. Do you even know what the word 'history' means?

"the kids at my elementary school, hearing I was a Jew, would shout "Get back to Palestine!"?"

So the kids at your school thought "Palestine" was the Jewish homeland? Or did they think you were an Arab?

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