The broadcasting arm of the Guardian at it too!


By Advis3r
January 24, 2012
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http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-papers-say.html#more

Yesterday, at about 7:45. Evan Davis read out the newspaper review. An item from the Guardian was singled out, which he articulated with passion and a distinct air of disapproval. What was it? A new scandal about Hackgate? Big Ben toppled over? Breaking news about another atrocity in Syria? No, it was Harriet Sherwood’s article about the ill-treatment of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons. The way Evan spat the words out, you’d have thought he’d been imprisoned there himself.

Wait there's more...

The Guardian’s video stars two Palestinian youths, one of whom looks like a chubby young Mr. Bean. Shall we call them ‘mature children’.

We are expected to take their testimony at face value. Their interrogations sounded tough, though not horrifyingly brutal, and if there is any truth in their allegations it’s nothing for Israel to be proud of.

“It would be naive to believe that there have never been any Israeli violations of those laws specifically meant to protect the rights of minors in detention. If these cases exist, there are authorities tasked with investigating and dealing with such deviations. This is not, however, the norm.”
Not touched upon at all is the matter of why they were in this situation, leaving the impression that they were completely innocent victims of some random act of vengeance by Israel.

Honest Reporting says that Israel maintains that these allegations are completely baseless.
“The mechanisms of accountability and rule of law actually exist in Israel” So before anyone says ‘they would say that, wouldn’t they’ it does seem pathetic that the lefty Guardianistas and their BBC bretheren are willing to leave aside their critical faculties, and take the words of all accusers, however implausible, as gospel. Film of stone-throwing Palestinian youths is abundant. We know they do it, and we know that slingshot catapults are lethal weapons. We know that exaggeration and faux news is par for the course. Yet people lap up unverified allegations by agenda-driven reporters. They can’t get enough of it.

The Israel Security Agency and its employees work solely within the law and are subject to oversight and internal and external examination, including by the State Controller, the State Prosecutor, the Attorney General’s Office, the Israeli Knesset and Israel’s courts at all levels, including the Supreme Court.”
That response is dismissed out of hand, deemed not worth listening to.
Mark Regev was allowed just enough time on the video to say that representatives of minors who feel they have been ill-treated should ‘come forward’ as Israel knows it is important to treat young people with extra consideration, but this was nullified by what came immediately after. A reiteration of the original allegations, which was allowed the final word.

This unverified report was singled out by some BBC producer as though it was of particular interest to Today listeners, and maybe they’re right - judging by the comments on this website not wide of the mark. None of this so-called testimony is independently verified - the Israel can do no right brigade pontificate as if they had personally been in attendance whilst these unspeakable attrocities were carried out. We all know they were not and yet when Israel denies having done the things it is accused of, Tobin or should I say Outraged of Willesden says "Israel says, huh.." and Mandy of Brighton says "they would say that wouldn't they"

By the way Tobin when did you stop beating up on children?

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Mary in Brighton

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 09:35

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Advsr are you telling us that when west bank Palestinian children are arrested in the dead of night by armed to the teeth soldiers ( as is the norm ), they get to see a lawyer before they are interviewed, they have their lawyer present at any interviews, any interviews are fully taped, and the tapes are available at any time to their lawyers?

If not why not?

Guilt or innocence is irrelevant to these questions.


Real Real Zionist

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 09:43

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Haaa Mark Regev

Israel's very own Comical Ali


Ben F

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 10:03

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Mary I think you are confusing Israel with a democracy.


Advis3r

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 14:10

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Mandy in Brighton/RRP/benf

You would say that wouldn't you?


Mary in Brighton

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 15:57

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Not going to answer the question then ?


Advis3r

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 16:44

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Mary what is the point to anything I would say your repsonse would be "you would say that wouldn't you?" Israel is condemned if it does but more often when it doesn't. Can you find the Guardian report where it retracts its editorial claim that Israel committed a massacre in Jenin and aplogizes to the Israeli people for publishing such an incendiary editorial in the first place without being in receipt of all the facts.

These are just two of the stories or should I say fairytales -http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/17/israel2 and here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/02/israel2
they are still on their website but nowhere is there a retraction or an apology.

Instead in 2008 - some 6 years later [see http://cuanas.blogspot.com/2008/03/guardian-editor-apologizes-over-jenin.html] the editor at the Jewish Book Week’s closing session apologized for his publication’s controversial editorial following Israel’s incursion into the Jenin refugee camp in 2002.

Alan Rusbridger, the Guardian’s editor, was speaking together with former Haaretz editor David Landau about reporting in the Middle East to a crowd of about 600 people when he responded to a question from the audience about the Israeli incursion into Jenin in April 2002.

In response to his publication’s coverage of the operation, Rusbridger said it was unfair to blame the reporter. Following Operation Defensive Shield in 2002, the Guardian’s editorial commented in its April 17 edition that: “Israel’s actions in Jenin were every bit as repellent as Osama Bin Laden’s attack on New York on September 11.”

“I take full responsibility for the misjudgment,” Rusbridger said. And during a response to a later question, he apologized for the editorial on Jenin - unprompted.

Unfortunately the apology never made it either to the newspaper or its website.


Advis3r

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 13:53

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Best line I've read all day from Jeffrey Goldberg on Twitter:
"Pro-Palestinian hackers attack Haaretz website, operating under the mistaken belief that Haaretz is their enemy."


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 14:13

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Why should Haaretz be their enemy ?


Advis3r

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 14:51

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Precisely, so why did they attack it? Blind hatred. But of course living in Brighton you would have no concept of that would you, but that doesn't prevent you demonizing Israel when it acts to protect its citizens from it?


suzanna

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 14:53

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Why doesn't the occupying army simply tape the interviews with the children they abduct?
Then that would confirm that said army is 'acting within the law'.

And, yes, why does the army abduct children at night?
That's how fascist governments operate isn't it?


Advis3r

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 14:55

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suzanna why don't you watch this and then let me have your considered comments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHpgu2-7Gk&feature=player_embedded


suzanna

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 15:04

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I am not defending suicide attacks. And I don't believe anyone here is.

The question I asked is: why doesn't the occupying army record the interviews with the abducted children?

Why are children abducted during the night?


Advis3r

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 15:22

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First they are arrested not abducted trust you to use inflammatory language. Secondly arrsting anyone in a situation where violence can ensue is best conducted at night to ensure no outside interference and consequent violence - the UK, see http://www.lutterworthmail.co.uk/news/crime/six_arrests_in_night_time_cr...
the US see http://www.ehow.com/list_6911926_maryland-nighttime-search-warrant-requi... and most other police forces in democratic countries use the same tactics but trust you to read soemthing sinister into it.the fact that Press TV has got into the act should alert you to there being something smelly about all this.


suzanna

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 15:40

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'most other police forces in democratic countries use the same tactics but trust you to read . . . '

Do they? Really as a matter of routine? There may be the odd instance but not every other night and not children in their hundreds?

And democracies certainly don't use the army to abduct children.


suzanna

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 15:42

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why doesn't the occupying army record the interviews with the children?


Mary in Brighton

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 15:44

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Taken in the middle of the night by armed to the teeth soldiers.

Whisked off to a foreign country.

Kept incommunicado

No lawyer before interview

No lawyer during interview.

No recording of interviews.

In a civilised country " abduction " would be the right word.


Advis3r

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 16:00

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You would say that wouldn't you? Israel has answered these charges even before the Guardian printed them but you employ the intellectually challenged bigot's method of dealing with inconvenient facts. Rant all you want they were legally arrested and legally processed save your feigned indignation for the parents who cynically allow their children to be abused as human shields by the terrorist organisations solely for propaganda purposes which you bigots lap up without question. If they weren't enagaging in criminal acts there would be no cause to arrest them would there?


suzanna

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 16:02

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Jose: why doesn't the occupying army record the interviews with the children?

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