Suzanna suggest you check before posting false information


By Advis3r
January 23, 2012
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Suzanna does a good job of reproducing an EU Report trouble was it was all based on false information

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/01/eu-publishes-report-based-on-fa...

Legal scholar Avi Bell analyzed the document and the sources it gave, and wrote this up:

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I first went to the EU report. This is the key paragraph: "According to Save the Children UK (SCUK) Fact Sheet on the Jordan Valley of October 2009 more than 90% of the Jordan Valley is designated as Area C. Prior to the Israeli occupation in 1967 the Palestinian population of the Jordan Valley was estimated at between 200,000 and 320,000. As of 2009 the population is approximately 56,000 with roughly 70% of residents concentrated in the City of Jericho (located in Area A). ..." The citation is to http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/en/docs/English_Jordan_Valley_Fact_She....

That link is stale, but I found the fact sheet at http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/opt_prot_savethechildren_Jordan_Valley_.... The fact sheet has the following statement in bullet points under the heading "Background": "Prior to the Israeli occupation in 1967, the Palestinian population of the Jordan Valley was estimated at between 200,000 and 320,000. [MA’AN]". No other reference is given.

While the MA'AN in question is not identified, it appears to be the Ma'an Development Center, which put out a 2008 report called Palestine's Forgotten Displacement: The Plight of the Jordan Valley Bedouin with the following paragraph on page 18: "... While exact figures for displacement and in particular displacement of Jordan Valley Bedouin do not exist, comparisons of data from the time of Jordanian rule and today suggest that the region has suffered significant forced displacement. Prior to 1967 estimates range from 200,000 to 320,000 people who lived in the Jordan Valley. Today however the total population is set between 52,000 to 56,000 (for the greater Jordan Valley). Local community leaders also say that approximately 90 per cent of the villages that existed prior to 1967 have disappeared from the map." Needless to say, no sources are cited. Page 19 offers the following, again without sources: "Though Bedouin are disproportionately affected, residents across the Jordan Valley are especially vulnerable to displacement. Since the 1950s, the population has decreased from around 300,000 to only 56,000 today."

According to subsequent Ma'an reports, the pre-1967 population has increased to first 300,000-320,000 and then to 320,000-350,000.

Page 8 of the 2010 Ma’an publication Bankrolling Colonialism: How US Zionist Organizations in the Jordan Valley are Undermining a Future Palestinian State," jointly published with the Jordan Valley Popular Committees states that "The Palestinian population of the Jordan Valley is 58,000 approximately 2% of the Palestinian population in the West Bank. 70% of Jordan Valley residents live in the city of Jericho. Prior to the 1967 occupation the population was estimated at between 300,000 and 320,000." The latter population number is cited to “Jordan Valley Solidarity" That site states, “When Israel occupied the Jordan Valley in 1967, 320,000 people resided in the area. Following the continued Israeli campaign of creeping ethnic cleansing, only 56,000 Palestinians still reside in the Valley on a permanent basis today.” Jordan Valley Solidarity’s citation for the 320,000 figure is to a dead link in the site of the “Popular Struggle Coordination Committee”. But while the link is dead, the apparent reference is to a 2009 report by the Popular Struggle Coordination Committee called an Eye on the Jordan Valley which states, “when Israel occupied the Jordan Valley in 1967, 320,000 people resided in the area.” The footnote cites: “‘Eye on the Jordan Valley: To exist is to resist’: The Grassroots Palestinian Anti Apartheid Wall Campaign: May 07.” Eye on the Jordan Valley: To exist Is to Resist from May 2007 turns out to be a fact sheet put out by Ma’an and The Grassroots Palestinian Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign. Page 14 contains the following statement without citation: “Between 1948 and 1967, the Palestinian population of the area from Ein Gedi in the south to Bisan in the north reached 320,000. However, once the occupation began, hundreds of Palestinians were killed; dozens of Palestinian communities were leveled; and Palestinian residents were forced to immigrate to Jordan.” (In other words, if you go through the string of citations, Ma’an cited itself as the source.)

Eye on the Jordan Valley, a 2010 report jointly published by Ma’an with the Jordan Valley Popular Committees states on page 26, without any citation of sources, “Between 1948 and 1967, the Palestinian population of the area from Ein Gedi in the south to Bisan in the north was around 320,000. However, once the occupation began, hundreds of Palestinians were killed, dozens of Palestinian communities were leveled, and Palestinian residents were forced to emigrate. Currently, only 52,000 Palestinians permanently live in the Jordan Valley.”

Page 42 of Ma’an’s 2011 "Diary" states that "when Israel began occupying the fertile Jordan Valley in 1967, 320,000 Palestinians lived in the region. ... Since 1967, Israel has managed to decrease the Palestinian population in the Valley by 82.5% to only 56,000." Of course, no sources are cited.

Restricted Access and Its Consequences: Israeli Control of Vital Resources in the Jordan Valley and Its Impact on the Environment, a 2011 report by Ma’an, states on page 2: “In addition to the extremely adverse effects on Palestinian population levels in the Jordan Valley, decreasing from over 320,000 in 1967 to 52,000 today, the Israeli policies have had grave consequences for the Palestinian agricultural sector and have produced a number of continuing and residual environmental concerns.” Footnote 44 on page 41, in the meantime, states: “There has been speculation that the unjust treatment of Palestinians in the Jordan Valley is part of a strategy to cleanse Palestinians from the area in an effort to facilitate complete annexation of the valuable area by Israel. The Palestinian population of the Jordan Valley has decreased by 82% since 1967, from 350,000 to 56,000 today.” No sources are cited and no explanation given of the additional retroactive jump from 320,000 to 350,000.

Finally, the following statement appears in the publication “To Exist is to Resist: Save the Jordan Valley,” jointly put out by Ma’an Development Center and Jordan Valley Popular Committees: “Jordan Valley has been under complete occupation since 1967. Prior to the 6-day war, the population of the Jordan Valley was between 300,000 and 320,000. The population now stands at 53,000 of which about 70% live in the city of Jericho.” The August 2010 Ma’an’s bi-monthly “Developmental Focus” explains the publication as follows: “MA’AN’s publication To Exist is to Resist – Save the Jordan Valley outlines the situation of the Jordan Valley in an easy accessible coffee table format. The Latest Publications book is made in cooperation with the Local Popular Committees in the Jordan Valley and funded by the Representative Office of Norway.” The same article tells us, “Together with MA’AN Development Center, the Palestinian National Authority and international solidarity groups, the Jordan Valley Solidarity Campaign is working with the Palestinians in the Jordan Valley at the grassroots level. The slogan of the campaign; ‘To Exist is to Resist’ emphasizes the importance of remaining in the Jordan Valley to resist Israeli apartheid, colonialism and forced displacement in order to keep working for a future Palestinian state.” (http://www.maan-ctr.org/pdfs/Newsl.pdf, page 8).

To sum up, the figures in the EU report, while cited to Save the Children UK, apparently come from a report by a Palestinian organization called Ma’an. The Ma’an figures vary from report to report, and are cited to no external sources whatsoever.

And how good are the Ma’an sources? They are obviously made up.

You can find Israel’s 1967 census of the West Bank here [http://www.levyinstitute.org/palestinian-census/] There is no breakdown of figures for the Jordan Valley, but the total West Bank figure is 598,637, with only 9,078 in the Jericho district. Interestingly, if you take the figures for the Jericho, Nablus, Tulkarm, and Jenin districts together, you get to 311,983. This suggests to me that the figure of 320,000 is the entire Samaria north of Ramallah. (The other districts are Jerusalem, Ramallah, Bethlehem and Hebron).

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We've seen before how NGOs and the media are willing to believe Palestinian Arab statistics without any fact checking, even when they are spurious. Apparently the EU is just as sloppy and the "Israel can do no right brigade" just post without bothering to check because any lie will do when you can bash Israel with it!

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Ben F

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:04

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What is a legal scholar ?


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:13

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Something you are obviously not. You seemingly had difficulty getting beyond the third line. But trust you to focus on the messenger and not the message - the usual untrue and untrusted method for trying to deflect the facts. Maybe one of your little friends will have more success - although seriously I very much doubt it.


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:15

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Oh and by the way:

Abraham (Avi) Bell is a Professor of Law at the University of San Diego School of Law and at Bar-Ilan University Faculty of Law. Bell received his B.A. and J.D. from the University of Chicago, and his S.J.D. from Harvard.

Bell is a widely-cited expert on property law, especially government takings of property, international law, especially the laws of war, and economic analysis of law.

In 2006, Bell criticized Human Rights Watch for its reports on the Second Lebanon War, claiming that the organization's claims "misread readers and betray ... bias," and that "HRW investigation [in Srifa, Lebanon] was either professionally incompetent or a complete fabrication" and "nothing more than window dressing for predetermined anti-Israel conclusions." Human Rights Watch responded by claiming that Bell "displays a curious ignorance about even the basic requirements of international humanitarian law" and that Bell's claims on Srifa were "groundless[]" and "deceptive." In 2010, the New Republic reported that when Human Rights Watch "issued its more comprehensive report on Lebanese fatalities a year later, the organization admitted that the first report had indeed gotten key facts wrong," vindicating Bell's criticism.

Bell was formerly a visiting professor at Fordham University School of Law and the University of Connecticut School of Law.

He currently teaches property and copyright at University of San Diego School of Law.


Ben F

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:57

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How much time has he spent in the Jordan Valley ?


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 16:12

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What's the price of tea in China?


Jonathan Hoffman

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 16:14

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Suzanna - check facts in Israel-bashing reports?

I see flying pigs.........

The Israel-bashers lie, distort, twist and falsify.

As I said on the previous post, this EU bullsh*t is based entirely on material from so-called "human rights" groups which the EU finances - the whole process is circular.


Mary in Brighton

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 16:40

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" The Israel bashers lie, distort, twist and falsify""

The Moslem brotherhood have promised the Efyptian people they will boycott everything originating with the Jewish people after the election.

Jenny Tongue is on record as saying the pro Israel lobby has its grip on the Lib Dem party.


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 16:53

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Mary keep to the subject or we'll think you are dodging the issue.


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 17:04

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Oh and according to her Wikipedia entry: "Tonge said in 2006: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on our party." In response, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell chastised Tonge, saying her remarks were "unacceptable" and had "clear anti-Semitic connotations." An all-party group of lords led by the former Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, said her comments "evoked a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory.


Skovronek2

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 18:44

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Ben's question is very pertinent even though ignored.Being a professor of law on the west coast of America is no qualification for telling us what is happening in the Jordan Valley any more then my engineering qualifications qualify me to tell you what is happening in Mongolia.

Both myself and my grand daughter have spent a great deal of time in the valley and the strategy is clear to anyone with eyes to see and a willingness to keep them open.

The entire place is organised for the benefit of a very few settlers, abandoned Arab villages litter the landscape. Water is diverted from Palestinian villages to settlements.The strategy is clearly to make Area C as Arabrein as possible as quickly as possible, and it has been very successful though resistance is hardening thanks in no small measure to the Jordan Valley Solidarity Campaign.

The EU delegates are on the ground and get their information from a wide range of sources. They are much better qualified to assess the situation than a law professor thousands of miles away with an agenda obviously sympathetic to the ethnic cleansing.

Anyone capable of denying what is happening in the valley is capable of arguing that black is white.


Jonathan Hoffman

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 18:56

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Never in human history has there been a group which has lied, distorted, twisted and falsified as often as the Israel bashers do now .......

Incredible


Advis3r

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 18:56

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Obviously skovronek you have no concept of learned research - since when has anyone to visit the Jordan Valley to show up made up figures with no verifiable source made up in your own words by a group with an obvious agenda. Your engineering qualifications however whilst not qualifying you to tell us what is happening in Mongolia apparently qualify you to tell us what is happening in Judea and Samaria.
I suggest you actually read what the good professor has written instead of waxing lyrical about your visits to the Jordan Valley - you are anything but unbiased.
By the way the stolen water fable you keep repeating ad nauseum has been exposed as bunkum as well see http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=235772.


Skovronek2

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 18:58

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Not " my visit ", a total of 18 months experience there.

All the " good professor" can say is that the EU delegates information " apparently " eminated fron Ma'an. I can assure this isn't so.Many people visit the valley seeking first hand evidence which they easily find. The EU delegates will have heard testimony from many people tested and evaluated by the evidence of their own EYES.

You can be sure that an integral part of the ethnic cleansing enterprise is water theft.

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