Shameful In Manchester


By Advis3r
November 24, 2011
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There are more Jews living in Judea and Samaria than in the whole of the British Isles and yet the "Guardians" of British Jewry do not consider that a representative of the Jews of Judea and Samaria has any right to be heard at their big tent fest in Manchester next week. Maybe I should not be surprised since the good people of Manchester tried to hound out Efrat's Chief Rabbi Rabbi Shlomo Riskin Shlita when he tried to speak there a few years back.

Yisrael Medad has written the following blog [http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2011/11/wineman-not-wise-man.html] which I reproduce with his written approval.

If you do not know, my presence at the Manchester Big Tent is prohibited as a speaker/presenter. The flap has flopped and I am out. There will be many people there as presenters, workshop facilitators, panelists and greeters.

I was personally "disinvited" although I am not sure that I ever was officially invited. I think my name was proposed at the organizing meeting last Thursday for I was told that opposition was strongly expressed by Board of Deputies head, Vivian Wineman, in that the feeling shared around the table, it would seem, was that I had insulted the gentlemen and ladies thereof.

Wineman, however, is truly the odd Jew in this situation.

As the Jewish Chronicle reported two years and a half ago, in May 2009:

A former chairman of British Friends of Peace Now has been elected president of the Board of Deputies for the next three years.

Vivian Wineman, 59, the Board’s senior vice-president, emerged victorious from a record four candidates...Mr Wineman, a commercial solicitor who represents Hampstead Garden Suburb United Synagogue [and educated at City of London School Yavneh Yeshivah (Rabbinical College) Gonville & Caius College]...while entertaining “strong views” on Israel...explained that at the Board: “I never make recommendations on what the government of Israel should do for its security. I am concerned that Israel should continue to be a democratic Jewish state...if we start going out on a limb, taking a line on Israeli politics, even a line we are sympathetic to, we risk the danger of alienating our own community and damaging the Board.”

A founder of the British branch of the New Israel Fund, who speaks fluent Hebrew and has studied at yeshivah, Mr Wineman stressed both a commitment to religious pluralism as well as an ability to make overtures to the Charedi community, which is almost entirely unrepresented at the Board...

Peace Now and outreach to Chareidim?

Peace Now and a speaker representing the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria?

What was I thinking?

In addition, it seems he is chairman of the Jewish Leadership Council and Vice President of the European Jewish Congress.

Talk about power and power concentration. If it weren't so flippant, I'd suggest an "Occupy the BOD" protest but that might really cause a nervous reaction on that august body's part.

But getting back to the principle of fairness, across-the-community representation, studious neutrality, etc. Consider this: Wineman was actually asked to "balance" Naomi Chazan at an event devoted to the occupied Palestinian territories in a long question and answer session with Jonathan Freedland organized by the UK New Israel Fund and hosted by the New North London Synagogue...

Curiously, the NIF organizers decided they needed to ‘balance’ Naomi Chazan’s views with the responses of three leaders of the Jewish and pro-Israel establishments. This seemed an odd idea to say the least, given that Jonathan Freedland acted very effectively as devil’s advocate in his questioning, despite the fact that he freely admitted that his sympathies lay with Chazan and her views...Wineman was rambling and confused.

Oh, and by the way, I escorted Ms. Fitzsimons on a trip through the Benjamin region. At least she was open to hear the 'other side'.

"Confused"? How could he be confused. He headed the NIF. Naomi headed the NIF. The NIF was under attack. He failed her? Failed the NIF? Or is he always rambling and confused despite his legal training? Or was that his legal expertise at work in disguise?

Wineman, this week, has just been awarded the Samaritan Peace and Humanitarian Medal

Mr Vivian Wineman, President of the Board of Deputies, has become the 2011 recipient of the Samaritan Medal for Peace, Humanitarian and Academic Achievements...[saying]...it is a matter of huge pride to me that we can conduct dialogue in an atmosphere of mutual respect. I would like to pay tribute to Benny Sedaka's indefatigable work in promoting knowledge of the Samaritan tradition and his wonderful idea of making them a bridge in the cause of peace between the Israelis and Palestinians."

(The Samaritan Medal Foundation was established in 2005 in Washington DC in order to highlight prominent activists in the world and the Middle East who foster peace between Israel and Palestinians)

Can I remind you that back in May this year, Mr. Wineman was absolutely firm:

We don’t support boycotts he said (about what the community should do in the face of The Guardian's biased and anti-Israel reporting and columns).

If he is so good at dialogue and opposed to boycotts, why was I banned?

Is this hypocrisy at work?

Consider also this: Wineman, as president of the Board of Deputies, wrote to Prime Minister David Cameron wherein heraised his concerns over the past political activities of certain European politicians suspected of unsavory ideologies.

Could someone, perhaps, raise questions about his previous ideological positions?

After all, you cannot get further off-base, not to speak of off-center, than Peace Now and New Israel Fund combined.

Are you thinking that his words are retro-1984 speak?

In August 2009, stung by criticism, Wineman said:

“We may be mistaken in our views, but we are not deluded and nor do we have our collective heads in the sand. Our critics should save their vitriol for those who attack Israel, not for those in the front line of its defence."

Mr. Wineman, in all my humbleness, and without passing judgment on whether you are mistaken in your views or not, whether you like, appreciate or despise my residency location and human existence in Shiloh, I am in the front line of the defense of Israel, one way or another, and it should behoove you to permit me to explain to those gathered in Manchester to learn about the issues and the facts relating to those issues. I live in an authorized and fully government-approved Jewish community, in a portion of the land of Israel that even the League of Nations recognized as part of the Jewish national home to be reconstituted in "Palestine". Why can I not explain what is happening here in Judea and Samaria to British Hasbarah activists? What they can say to offset propaganda, lies and media bias. What are the facts.

What do you fear?

I promise, I will not attempt to persuade, convince or influence anyone to come to live in Shiloh, or Efrat or Hebron. But any defender of Israel should be able to have the necessary facts and data to defend Israel and its Jews from Arab propaganda claims and false accusations that feed the BDS campaign you are supposed to be engaged against.

And if I do not make it to Manchester, I will get to the British Isles and thanks to friends, supporters and others, I will make the case for Judea & Samaria.

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Real Real Zionist

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 12:07

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It is interesting that some who demand one state from the river to the sea are charged with advocating genocide, while others that demand the same are exempted from the charge.


Advis3r

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:35

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Ah because Phoney one side wants to throw the the other side into the sea - guess which one?

Clue:
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind
me, come and kill him.' (Article 7 Hamas Charter)

You are mendacious as well as delusional.


Chris Tucker (not verified)

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 13:50

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Maybe the good folks that organise the big tent don't much care for the company of thieves.


Advis3r

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 14:06

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Typical lying bigotted comment Tucker but we know that being intellectually challenged you aren't capable of much else. In case you missed it
"I live in an authorized and fully government-approved Jewish community, in a portion of the land of Israel that even the League of Nations recognized as part of the Jewish national home to be reconstituted in "Palestine".
There was never an Arab sovereignty over the Holyland - ever but there was a Jewish one!


amber

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 16:25

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Chris calls Jews thieves on the JC blogs.

What a great situation.

And RRZ, try to understand that the genocide was attempted against the Jews, not the other way round.


Rich Armbach

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 18:40

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In case you missed it

"I live in an authorized and fully government-approved Jewish community, in a portion of the land of Israel that even the League of Nations recognized as part of the Jewish national home to be reconstituted in "Palestine".

That is a hybrid of unmitigated nonsense and disingenuity.
And even if it wasn't it would be irrelevant.

" There was never an Arab sovereignty over the Holyland - ever but there was a Jewish one!"

That is undecypherable.


Real Real Zionist

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 10:39

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Rich. I may be able to help

I think what Jose is trying to tell us is....

Any Roman, Turk, Brit, etc etc can legitimately expropriate the land and property of, and subjugate, any persons that have no ethnic connections with a power that, however far in the dim and distant past, once had " sovereignty" over the land.


Advis3r

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 12:18

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Phoney do not bother offering your pathetic explanations it only demonstrates that you do not have the faintest clue - Noddy awaits.
Armbach although your anti-Jewish bigotry deserves no response since you make the accusations without a shred of evidence have a go at explaining what is disingenuous/nonsense about The League of Nations recognising the Jewish people's right to self determination in its ancient homeland.


amber

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 15:12

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Armbach

Perhpas it's "undecipherable" to you. I see your ignorance about Israel extends to your spelling.


amber

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 15:14

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RRZ - the land is Jewish, was never Arab (privately or state), at any time, ever, throughout history. It has only ever been Jewish land - or state land of foreign imperial powers. Don't let facts cloud your unmitigated Israel hatred.

In short, you are a bigot.


amber

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 15:16

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Do you ever notice that blog posts about Palestinian racism, rejectionism, and terrorism never provoke any response from RRZ and Armbach? They are here ONLY to attack Israel, and as such, are not interested in anything productive or positive.

They are hate driven.


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