Groundless but RRZ posts it nevertheless


By Advis3r
January 24, 2012
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Full response given to the Guardian before it published its baseless lies:

THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE ISRAEL SECURITY AGENCY (ISA) TO THE GUARDIAN

1. The claims that Palestinian minors were subject to interrogation techniques that include beatings, prolonged periods in handcuffs, threats, kicks, verbal abuse, humiliation, isolation and prevention of sleep are utterly baseless.

2. The Israel Security Agency acts in accordance with the ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court of Justice, at the center of which stands the court ruling regarding ISA interrogations from 1999. In this context, it must be mentioned that in 2009, the Supreme Court of Justice rejected a petition that claimed that the 1999 High Court of Justice ruling regarding ISA interrogations was allegedly being violated.

3. The Israel Security Agency and its employees work solely within the law and are subject to oversight and internal and external examination, including by the State Comptroller, the State Prosecutor, the Attorney General’s Office, the Israeli Knesset and Israel’s courts at all levels, including the Supreme Court.

4. Those detained for ISA questioning receive the full rights for which they are eligible, in accordance with international treaties of which the State of Israel is a signatory and according to Israeli law, including the right to legal counsel and visits by the Red Cross.

5. The ISA categorically denies all claims with regard to the interrogation of minors. In fact, the complete opposite is true – the ISA guidelines grant minors special protections needed because of their age.

6. No one questioned, including minors being questioned, is kept alone in a cell as a punitive measure or in order to obtain a confession, etc.

7. Regarding the other claims regarding torture, humiliation, etc, it is hereby emphasized that the investigators act in accordance with the law and unequivocal guidelines which forbid such actions.

8. The claims regarding the prevention of legal counsel are also completely groundless – indeed, there are specific cases in which a meeting between a prisoner and his lawyer are not allowed, however there is legal oversight on ISA interrogations, including the issue of postponing meetings with lawyers, including the possibility of filing a petition with the Supreme Court in Israel. It should be mentioned that a fundamental petition that was filed in this regard with the High Court of Justice in 2009 was withdrawn by the petitioners after a discussion in the Supreme Court.

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Mary in Brighton

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:39

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Well Mandy is a busy girl today.

They would say that wouldn't they.

Against all the evidence.

Are you telling us that children are always " interviewed " in the presence of their parents or a lawyer ? lets not use the word " interrogated " its such an emotive word. After all the Shin Bet are not the Stasi are they ?

And in democratic countries anyone arrested has the right to see a lawyer before interview, the right to have a lawyer attend any interview, and the entire interview is fully taped, the defence lawyers having full access to the tape.

None of this is so in the case of Palestinians in the west bank.

What does Israel have to hide ? Or has The Guardian etc alraedy told us


joshua789

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:50

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The bit I don't understand is why don't the Israeli authorities video and sound record the interviews?
If the occupation army is behaving within the law (and within the laws of decency) the interviews could quite easily be taped. Couldn't they?

It also struck me as 'strange' that following the killing of the Turkish activists on the Mavi Marmara, Israel did not return all the cameras, phones and other audio visual equipment it confiscated (stole) from the passengers and media. Surely the footage would have backed up Israel's claim that the heavily armed soldiers were attacked by 'terrorists'. Wouldn't it?


joshua789

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:54

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And why are children abducted in the middle of the night?

That doesn't sound like a 'democracy' at work.


Goldie G. Tobin

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:54

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People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.


joshua789

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:56

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Lisa Nandy, MP for Wigan, who witnessed the trial of a shackled 14-year-old at Ofer last month, found the experience distressing. "In five minutes he had been found guilty of stone-throwing and was sentenced to nine months. It was shocking to see a child being put through this process. It's difficult to see how a [political] solution can be reached when young people are being treated in this manner. They end up with very little hope for their future and very angry about their treatment."

Horton said a guilty plea was "the quickest way to get out of the system". If the children say their confession was coerced, "that provides them with a legal defence – but because they're denied bail they will remain in detention longer than if they had simply pleaded guilty".

Let's just repeat that: 'a SHACKLED 14 year old'.

Any other democracies shackle children?


Goldie G. Tobin

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:58

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Shameful.


Advis3r

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:27

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The US does it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-17-shackles_N.htm
I do not condone the shackling of children but these unfortunately are not your average children. They have been indoctrinated to hate jews and are used cynically by their elders as human shields.
The most shameful thing and the real child abuse in reality is that perpetrated by Palestinian society and media that glorifies terrorists, suicide bombers and “martyrs”, encouraging Palestinian children from the tenderest age to follow the same path.
A vulnerable child is easy pickings for recruitment by terrorist organizations. In recent years the most predominant activities characterizing involvement of minors were involvement in suicide bomb attacks, Molotov cocktail throwing, stone throwing and stabbing. Minors have also been involved in grenade throwing, use of explosives, shooting, car bombs, transfer of weapons, kidnapping, rocket launching, as well as assault and murder. They have had bombs tied to their bodies and one case paid a few dollars to walk up to an Israeli checkpoint and detonate himself.
See here for more on Children Dying to Kill.
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/Conflict/9/childrendyingtokill1.htm
And while it suits Palestinian propaganda and some of the posters on this website to promote the image of children armed with stones facing Israeli armour, the reality is that stones can kill. As recently as September 2011, Asher Palmer and his infant son Yonatan were killed after the vehicle he was driving overturned as a result of Palestinian rock throwing - but to Goldie that's hardly shameful is it?


Advis3r

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:29

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Mary I don't believe a word you write - that suit you.


Mary in Brighton

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:39

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Admirably thank you lol


Advis3r

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:51

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So Mary were you present when the so-called "testimony" was taken which laughingly you call "evidence"?
Defence for Children Internatioanl - Palestine Section is a known anti-Israel campaigning NGO. DCI-PS’s politicized and anti-Israel agenda therefore puts its credibility in doubt. After all, if you are actively seeking evidence with which to attack Israel, then coaxing questionable testimony from minors who may have already been involved in criminal or terrorist activity may be easier than it should be. But of course they would say that wouldn't they?


Mary in Brighton

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:57

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Advr if I answer your question will you change your mind about not believing anything I say ?

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