Woman Lashed at Khartoum Police Station; Khartoum Governor Justifies Punishment


By Jonathan Hoffman
December 28, 2010
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http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2722.htm

"Our penal code is in keeping with Islam and the sharia is the main source of our legislation" says the Khartoum Governor..........

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Yvetta

28 December, 2010 - 12:14

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And there's this harrowing, really gruesome, piece about slaves in Sudan - abused and blinded by their Islamic masters

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/freeing-the-black-jihad-s...


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:29

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And the United Nations have this to say:-


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:29

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Nothing


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:30

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And the United Nations are going to do:-


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:30

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Nothing


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:31

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Who cares?


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:32

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No one


Jon_i_Cohen

28 December, 2010 - 13:32

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Israel is not involved, so all the useful idiot, trendy-lefties stay shtum!!


Jonathan Hoffman

28 December, 2010 - 13:41

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But the UN is organising a 'Durban 3' Conference in New York in September, in order to vilify Israel again


Jez Waterman

28 December, 2010 - 14:05

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All fundamentalist brutality should be condemned, not just some of it. There are dark forces of fundamentalism at work in Israel too. Women battered at the Kotel for praying, women riding in the back of a bus like 1950's Alabama, and threats of death to those who dont comply. http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/blogs/thecinefiles/archive...
Increasing use of the Burqua amongst Haredi,(yes, it's true, Google it !) threats on the life of people who let flats to Arabs. Racism is routine and admired by these extremists.
This kinfd of fundamentalism should be condemned along with Islamic fundamentalism. Those who only condemn hatred on one side expose themselves as bigots with no genuine committment to human rights.


jandrsimonson

28 December, 2010 - 14:49

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THIS PROVES WHAT ?


Jonathan Hoffman

28 December, 2010 - 15:03

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That some disgusting things are justified in the name of Islam and sharia;
That the liberal left turns a blind eye to them, wanting to cosy up to Islamists who are Israel's enemies in order to vilify Israel;
That the UN does nothing about Middle Ages barbarism justified in the name of Islam, but is obsessed with Israel.

Waterbrain - you must be sick to compare voluntary segregation on buses to public floggings justified in the name of Islam. You clearly have no moral compass.

Your claims about 'battering' and 'threats of death' are drivel from an Israel-hater.


jose (not verified)

28 December, 2010 - 16:01

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What it proves also is that Israel haters; who blame it every time an Israeli soldier step on a 'Palestinian' foot, do not blame Muslim countries for applying barbaric laws for things that are not even considered as an offense in civilised countries.
Cultural relativism is acceptable. Moral relativism is unacceptable.

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


Jez Waterman

28 December, 2010 - 16:09

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"Voluntary" segregation on buses. How's this for voluntary?
http://www.haaretz.com/woman-beaten-on-j-lem-bus-for-refusing-to-move-to...
The previous post claims that
"Your claims about 'battering' and 'threats of death' are drivel from an Israel-hater."
However this battering was independently witnessed by many people and there are other, more recent examples. It is not getting better it is getting worse. People who do not speak out about this, or other extremism make themselves complicit

I will never make a posting here which I cannot substantiate from an independent source. I see no point in trying to improve my case by lying. There is no need.


jose (not verified)

28 December, 2010 - 16:34

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This kinfd of fundamentalism should be condemned along with Islamic fundamentalism. Those who only condemn hatred on one side expose themselves as bigots with no genuine committment to human rights.

Just one thing: the ones that beat women at the kotel breaks the law. Those who have beaten this poor woman for an imaginary crime applied the Sharia law.

Islamism is government-supported brutality. Jewish bigotry can be a personal offense, but it is certainly not government-supported. Therefore Israelis mind this problem in their own way, while nobody can mind Islamism because all those who tried are killed.


jose (not verified)

28 December, 2010 - 16:36

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This kinfd of fundamentalism should be condemned along with Islamic fundamentalism. Those who only condemn hatred on one side expose themselves as bigots with no genuine committment to human rights.

Just one thing: the ones that beat women at the kotel breaks the law. Those who have beaten this poor woman for an imaginary crime applied the Sharia law.

Islamism is government-supported barbarism. Jewish bigotry can be a personal offense, but it is certainly not government-supported. Therefore Israelis mind this problem in their own way, while nobody can mind Islamism because all those who tried are killed.


Armchair Quarterback

28 December, 2010 - 18:44

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"Jewish bigotry can be a personal offense, but it is certainly not government-supported "

Were not those Rabbis that issued the edict against selling or renting property to non Jews employed by the government ? Have any of them been sacked ?


jose (not verified)

28 December, 2010 - 19:08

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Were not those Rabbis that issued the edict against selling or renting property to non Jews employed by the government ? Have any of them been sacked ?

Were they applying government orders, stupid?


Jonathan Hoffman

29 December, 2010 - 05:32

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@Waterman

You give me a five year old case which never went to Court of a woman flouting the custom of separate seating on a bus, and compare that to public whipping?

Ridiculous. As Jose says, it's double standards and inappropriate moral relativism. The hallmark of the mindless, sheep-like 'liberal' left.


Armchair Quarterback

29 December, 2010 - 06:36

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Have any of them been sacked ?


Jez Waterman

29 December, 2010 - 10:00

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Mr Hoffman, you walk into the trap every time. You say -

"You give me a five year old case which never went to Court of a woman flouting the custom of separate seating on a bus, and compare that to public whipping?"

Well here is a similar case from a few months ago which did go to court. Things have not improved in the last 5 years, they are worse.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=182850

As to comparison with a whipping, I would refer you to my posting of a week or so ago about a Rabbi who called for Arab children to be hung from trees. I will post it again if you like, and there is no shortage of stories of similar brutal racist mindsets in Israel. Israeli fundamentalism is headed down the same road as Islamic fundamentalism and it will help destroy israel. The bigotry of Zionist eztremists is making a big contribution to that destruction.


Watchful Iris

29 December, 2010 - 10:22

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Western style democracy....uh huh.


Jonathan Hoffman

29 December, 2010 - 10:52

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@Waterman

There is no comparison between being pushed on a bus and being publicly flogged. Also one is a private action and the other is public policy. The Rabbi you cite is also private, not public. Do learn the difference.

Your drawing of moral equivalence between Islamic fundamentalism which buries women and stones them to death, and the desire of Charedim for separate seating on a bus, is absurd and exposes your prejudice for all to see.


Watchful Iris

29 December, 2010 - 11:15

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Yeah and Charedim is one of the principles of democracy, right?


Jez Waterman

29 December, 2010 - 11:31

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Hi Mr Hoffman, Pushing on a bus? No I was thinking more about war crimes and crimes against humanity such as the use of illegal phosphorous weapons against civilians. Then there is Rabbi Eliyahu how asserts that the Pope organises tours to Auswich to teach arabs how to kill Jews. He also urged the Israeli Government to give the green light to a massacre of Arabs. Elsewhere he advocated children from trees
http://www.haaretz.com/news/safed-chief-rabbi-calls-on-state-to-exact-re...

He is not a fringe figure, he is the former government funded Sephardic chief Rabbi. Racism is a cancer eating the heart out of Israel, and Zionist extremists are making it worse


Jonathan Hoffman

29 December, 2010 - 11:49

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You proved your ignorance - yet again.

White phosphorous is not 'illegal' if used in the air to illuminate or screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

The US and UK armies have it in their inventory too.


Watchful Iris

29 December, 2010 - 12:04

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Good grief.


Joe Millis

29 December, 2010 - 12:32

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Jonathan Hoffman, is there anything done by Israeli Jews, especially the Orthodox and the right, that you would not seek to justify? Segregation on buses is wrong. Calling for people not to sell or rent to people of other ethnic groups is wrong. Can't you at least admit that?


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 12:50

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such as the use of illegal phosphorous weapons against civilians.

It was not use against civilians, stupid. Civilians were always warned to leave the areas at risk.
So bye-bye Goldstone biased report.


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 12:54

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Please Waterclosets, Haaretz rag is no proof of anything. Racists are everywhere, including and especially in the Muslim countries.
In Israel, racists have no power. In most Muslim countries, they rule the country.
So, complain about Israel, but be aware that you are applying double standards; one for Israel and one for all other countries.
And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 12:56

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Millis, is there anything in the Muslim countries that you ever cared to criticise?
Because criticising only Israel for problems that are the same for all the other democratic countries and forgiving the Muslim countries for worse problems could be called double standards.
And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 12:56

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Good grief.

Excellent contribution, Myopic!


Yvetta

29 December, 2010 - 13:16

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Jonathan, looks like a NiF Watch will soon be needed, in addition to CiF Watch.


Joe Millis

29 December, 2010 - 13:17

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Yes Jose there is much to criticise in the medieval Muslim states: fgm, the lack of separation between religion and the state, brutal laws, inequality, suppression of dissent to name but a few.
But israel is a western democracy and in such countries there is no state-sponsored or permitted gender separation and zero tolerance of calls by state employees to stop renting or selling to other ethnic groups.
To not criticise that in israel is double standards, which as you so rightfully point out is ....


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 13:24

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But israel is a western democracy

This "But" says it all: double standards, moral relativism.
And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

There are no double standards to use. I criticise Israel when necessary. I criticised the racist rabbis and ask that they be sacked from their municipal jobs.
I don't use a different standard to judge Muslim countries, which are viciously antisemitic and where the racists are in power. The problem is much worse than Israel, so I mainly criticise Muslim countries. No double standards.


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 13:27

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I think Im Tirtzu, the real Zionists, are making a good job already.


jose (not verified)

29 December, 2010 - 13:27

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I meant concerning a NIF Watch...


Joe Millis

29 December, 2010 - 13:38

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Jose, But is a connecting word. Nothing to do with moral relativism, unless, of course, you are suggesting Israel isn't a western democracy -- then you are in league with the PSCers, JfJfPers, other hate-mongers and double-standard merchants.
Of course the problem is much worse in Muslim states. No ifs, no buts. They are medieval and should be compared with the excesses of the Inquistion (You never expected that) or Charlemagne. And Israel, a modern western democracy, should never, ever be compared with themor any modern dictatorship.
Israel must be compared with other western democracies, where there are no laws that promote or help one ethnic group over another or where state employed clergy cannot get away with telling people not to rent or sell to people of other ethnic groups.
Attah mevin et zeh?


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 14:27

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"the use of illegal phosphorous weapons against civilians"

antisemitic lie.


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 14:28

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"Yeah and Charedim is one of the principles of democracy, right?"

Do you even know what charedim means, tosser?


Watchful Iris

29 December, 2010 - 14:54

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Sarcasm, Tweedledee. Tweedledum missed disgust. Par for the course.


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 15:08

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So you have no clue, as was obvious from the start. Par for the course.
Moron.


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 15:11

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"Israel must be compared with other western democracies, where there are no laws that promote or help one ethnic group over another"

You don't have a clue, do you? There are exactly such laws in other western democracies, to help groups that have been historically disadvantaged through racist persecution.


Jewish American...

29 December, 2010 - 15:33

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Screw you all. I sit at the front of the bus in America and I'll sit at the front of the bus in Israel. American men have learned to control their lustful urges by evolving into civilized beings who take responsibility for themselves. Any gender discrimination is based on the antiquated notion that the sin of lust originates with women. Charedim intended to protect men from the temptations posed by women. What has this got to do with the 21st century?


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 15:47

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"Screw you all"

PMT bothering you much, dear?


Armchair Quarterback

29 December, 2010 - 15:55

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foot bothering you again is it Yonathan ?


Yoni1

29 December, 2010 - 16:20

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I am not Yonathan, quarterdick.


Joe Millis

29 December, 2010 - 16:27

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Yoni, which other Western democracy has laws that help one ethnic group at the expense of another?


Jonathan Hoffman

29 December, 2010 - 17:05

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

Many Western democratic countries favour particular ethnicities eg Germany


Jez Waterman

29 December, 2010 - 17:15

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Hi Yoni
In your posting at 14.27 you said that my accusation that Israel used white phosphorous was an "anti-Semitic lie"
Here is a link to the same anti-semitic lie from the mouth of the official Israeli Government spokesman Mark Regev.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1YusgoQ9bM

Jewish American, thank you for what you wrote. it was like a breath of fresh air.

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