When Ronnie Kasrils met Geert Wilders


By Blacklisted Dictator
January 29, 2010
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This story starts 110 years ago in Austria....

On 20 April 1889, Adolf Hitler was born.....

And in 1895, the anti-semitic politician, Karl Lueger, became Mayor of Vienna. Adolf was just 6 yrs old, too young of course, to be aware of Lueger's existence.

However, Theodor Herzl (the founder of modern political Zionism) was deeply worried by Lueger's election. This seemingly insignificant election, certainly influenced Herzl's ideas, which were carefully formulated in his publication "Der Judenstaat". Herzl argued that the only path for Jewish salvation, in particular with regard to the re-emergence of anti-semitism, was for the creation of a Jewish state...Israel.

And as the twentieth century progressed, so did Zionism and Nazism. However, the creation of Israel in 1948 came too late for the six million European Jews who were murdered by Hitler's Nazis during the Second World War.

More recently, as the conflict in the Middle East has intensified, it has become quite popular to argue that Israel is some sort of Nazi state. The logic goes... Israel is worse than apartheid South Africa and, as a result, it is quite reasonable to compare her treatment of the Palestinians, to the Nazi's extermination of the Jews. In South Africa, moreover, it is quite acceptable to do so. Ronnie Kasrils ( a Jewish ex Minister of Intelligence) even asked The SAHRC to rule on the matter, and Karthy Govender produced a finding stating that Kasrils' use of the Nazi/ Israeli analogy was not hate speech and did not break South African constitutional law in respect of freedom of expression. So in South Africa, as well as in Israel and the rest of the world, you can spout the analogy without fear of prosecution.

The Israeli/Nazi analogy is particularly popular with Israel's enemies in The Middle East and beyond. President Ahmadinejad of Iran has even stated that Israel is so evil that she should be wiped off the face of the map, Obviously the analogy is frequently used to legitimize Israel's destruction.

At the moment Geert Wilders, the leader of the Freedom Party In Holland, is facing a criminal prosecution in Amsterdam for arguing that Islam is comparable to Nazism. He has called the Koran "the Islamic Mein Kampf" and has also called Islam "fascist". Wilders is being prosecuted on the basis that such statements are hate speech and affect the dignity of Muslims.

One should bear in mind, however, that although the South African constitution also protects "the dignity" of its citizens, one is still able to use the Israeli/Nazi analogy. Clearly the "dignity" of some South African Jews, who support Israel and survived the holocaust, is not as important as the right to freedom of expression.

Daniel Pipes, who frequently publishes articles supporting Israel writes: "Although I disagree with Wilders about Islam (I respect the religion but fight Islamists with all I have), we stand shoulder-to-shoulder against this lawsuit. I reject the criminalization of political differences and the attempted thwarting of a political movement through the courts."

Clare Lopez on a website entitled "Defend Geert Wilders" also writes: " When Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders goes on trial this week in the Netherlands, he will stand alone before a Dutch court. But make no mistake: it is the very principle of free speech which hangs in the balance there. Brought up on charges of inciting hatred, Wilders is one of the few leaders anywhere in the Western world who dares to denounce a supremacist Islamic doctrine that commands its faithful to jihad and terror against non-believers. As he showed so honestly in his courageous film, ‘Fitna,’ a system of pluralist, tolerant, liberal democracy is fundamentally incompatible with literal, textual Islam as presented on the pages of the Qur’an."

Wilders' lawyers will inevitably refer to radical Islamic calls for the extermination of Jews and Israelis, and as a result, will argue that his use of the Nazi analogy is quite acceptable.

So.. should Wilders be prosecuted?

And was it right to give Kasrils the green light?

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Jonathan Hoffman

29 January, 2010 - 15:31

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Kasrils' use of the Israel/Nazi analogy is antisemitic, see EUMC Definition (which is widely accepted).

SAHRC should surely respect that.


iainlrabbak

29 January, 2010 - 15:33

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It's also anti-Semitic to call another Jew a Quisling, Hoffman. But, hey...


Jonathan Hoffman

29 January, 2010 - 15:38

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Not according to the Definition, Troll

But hey - when did the truth ever bother you?


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 15:40

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Alan Dershowitz in his book "The Case for Peace" writes:
"Notice that Israel is never compared to Stalin's Soviet Union, to Mussolini's Italy, to Franco's Spain, to Castro's Cuba, to Pinnochet's Chile, or even to Hirohito's Japan. It is always and only compared to Hiter's Nazi Germany. I have often wondered what could motivate any person of presumed decency to compare Israel's treatment of Palestinians to what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust. Israel's goal is to protect it's civillians from Palestinian terrorism, whereas the Nazi goal was to genocidally destroy every Jewish baby, child, woman and man so as to eliminate the Jewish race. The analogy is obscene and yet it is repeated daily on college campuses, by mainstream European political activists, and even by writers and intellectuals. It's target audience is the current generation of college students too young to remember the Holocaust and too caught up in the passions of the day to bother to research the history. When a lie is repeated often enough, it risks becoming conventional wisdom. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is anti-Semitism, pure and simple. There is no other explanation, especially in the light of the reality that there is no actual similarity between Hitler's systematic genocide of the Jews and Israel's efforts to defend itself from genocidal threats against it's Jewish population".


iainlrabbak

29 January, 2010 - 15:40

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According to your beloved definition, Hofftroll, any comparing of a Jew with Nazi symbolism is anti-Semitism. But when did anti-racism ever bother you, oh friend of the racist and fascist Yisrael Beiteinu?


iainlrabbak

29 January, 2010 - 15:42

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Dershowitz should have stuck to defending OJ. I have heard Israel compared to the USSR, Pinochet's Chile, Franco's Spain etc.


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 15:47

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ianirabbak,
Should Wilders be prosecuted?


iainlrabbak

29 January, 2010 - 15:54

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No, of course he shouldn't be prosecuted. Everyone is free in the free market of ideas to stand up for what they believe.


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 15:56

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I refer you to the court case in Amsterdam. Wilders is being prosecuted for hate speech and offending the dignity of Muslims living in Holland.


Jonathan Hoffman

29 January, 2010 - 15:57

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No you miserable agent provocateur time wasting Troll, the Definition does not say that, as I have pointed out many times:

"Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis; drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

And "Quisling" was the name of a Norwegian collaborator, not a Nazi symbol!

But I would not expect a cloth headed Troll such as yourself to understand that.


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 15:59

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And what do you think about the death threats against Wilders? He has 24hrs bodyguards and sleeps in different locations every night.


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 16:12

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Interesting that The BBC did not report on the opening of the Wilders trial.Perhaps it is beneath them?


Blacklisted Dictator

29 January, 2010 - 16:18

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Perhaps the reason is that the BBC condemns Wilders as a fascist?.This is what Mark Mardell (the BBC's correspondent) wrote about Wilders and his politcal agenda:

"I would have thought that both an element of socialism and populism are almost key ingredients in a hard-right recipe. There's also a tendency to see previous movements as cruder than they really were. There may be a good few supporters of far-right views who are obsessed with measuring skulls, but even the Nazis or the Klan identified their enemies by behaviour, beliefs and culture and saw themselves as defending Western Civilisation as well as blood lines."


Yvetta

1 February, 2010 - 08:36

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Iain, comparing "traitors" to the Norwegian collaborator Quisling is not antisemitic in the slightest; stop using this as just another of your brittle worm-riddled sticks with which to beat Jonathan.
Re Geert Wilders, Brigitte Bardot has been fined numerous times for warning against Islamic extremism. This is completely unacceptable, - appeasement gone mad. Those who turn a deaf ear are in denial. I do think it's no coincidence that women - BB, the late Oriana Fallaci,Clare Lopez, Melanie Phillips, Brigitte Gabriel, Ayin Hirsi Ali, to name the more prominent, are so vocal in the gight against Islamic extremism and Muslim mass immigration into Europe - women have so much to lose at the hands of the male supremacist Islamists.
I think Wilders went too far in comparing the Koran to Mein Kampf, however; this is certainly a terrible blasphemy, and obviously deeply offensive.

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