Us, as experienced by our Occupied neighbours

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/01/whats-pa-trying-to-hide-in-prot...

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 13:53

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There are many non-sequiturs about Abu-Rahmah's death.

One, she wasn't even at the protest, according to her cousin. Do you really think that the tear gas managed to kill her from 500 meters away while no one else was hurt???

Two, there are unconfirmed reports that Jawaher Abu Rahma was actually killed in an honour killing because she was pregnant.

Three, why did the PA reject an IDF request to receive Abu Rahma’s medical file (so that it could determine the cause of death)?

Four, why did it also reject an IDF request to establish a joint commission of inquiry with the PA (which it has done in the past after similar incidents)?

But of course when he sees a chance to vilify Israel, an ASHamed Jew like Walinets doesn't care about niceties - like finding out the truth....

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/al-durah-affair-the-dossier/al-durah-chr...

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:12

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The Abu-Rahmah story clearly has the potential to be another Mohammed al-Durah

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:34

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The Abu-Rahmah story clearly has the potential to be another Mohammed al-Durah

Do you mean Abu-Rahmah is not really dead?

Jon_i_Cohen

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:34

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There is more to this story than meets the eye.

Nevertheless, we expect Stanley Walinets, the JC's regular, lefty letter writer, to jump to conclusions "Israel must be to blame", and post the usual useful idiots nonsense.

The fact of the matter is that IDF officials were surprised by the PA allegations. While Rahma was injured in the protest, she suffered only light injuries, and was released from the hospital hours before her death, an official said.

A second IDF source said the army has received “several conflicting reports” regarding Rahma's death, and was looking into the issue. However, PA medical officials have refused to hand over medical documents relating to Rahma's treatment or death, making investigation difficult and leading to the "honour killing" story that Jonathan Hoffman refers to above.

Jon_i_Cohen

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:37

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PS
If the PA didn't incite riots and encourage civilians to throw stones at the IDF soldiers, then there would be no need for the IDF to use tears gas in the first place.
The wall was built to stop suicide bombers and terrorists coming into Israel from the territories, a function it has proved very successful at.

Jon_i_Cohen

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:40

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Stanley, if you really are Jewish, then shame on you for being involved with:-
"The Popular Struggle Coordination Committee,Ramallah, Occupied Territories"

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:45

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At least the story teller does not pretend the fight is non-violent. That is good: usually, nuts like Walinets pretend the riots are quiet, peaceful, non-violent and that they are agressed, tear-gassed, shot with rubber or live ammunition without any provocation.

It does not appear well, but compared to Walinets' usual prose, this 'Palestinian' guy is an improvement.

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:49

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And there is clearly an error in the title. It should be:
"Them, experienced by the 'Palestinian' neighbours".

Why Walinets always try to pretend he is Israeli? Could it be that he confuses "Israelis" with "Jews", therefore admitting that to 'Palestinians', it is one and the same thing?
But, wait... That would prove they are not just anti-Israeli but anti-Jewish, wouldn't it?

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 15:24

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http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=201982

Bil’in victim dreamed of meeting brother ‘in paradise'
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By Sunday, children in her West Bank village of Bil’in were busy putting up posters that described her as a martyr

The printing industry in Judea Samaria is real fast: I wonder if the posters are not prepared in advance.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 16:11

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Why, oh why, Stanley
Do you not pen another poem about this saga
Like you did before?
Then you could
Put in lines that do not scan and certainly do not rhyme
And you could help
Those of us who suffer from insomnia
To fall instantly asleep
Do you think
A chimpanzee with a typewriter
Could write better poetry than you?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 16:32

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Idiots like Walinets are against anything that saves Israeli lives from Arab terrorism.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 16:34

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"Do you mean Abu-Rahmah is not really dead?"

Eh? Al Durah really did die, murdered by an Arab bullet.

You may be thinking about the 'dead' person who jumped off the stretcher and ran away, a different Arab canard (there are so many of them, it really IS difficult to keep track).

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 17:31

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how interesting that some people think they are better placed to articulate other peoples experiences then the people doing the experiencing

and what will you give me chimed the sad bells of Rhymney ?

Posner don't mess with me on the subject of leviticus ok ?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 17:54

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an IDF investigation into christmas would doubtless conclude that it was all the turkeys fault

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 17:54

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Well, an Al Durah perhaps died, but was it the one on the video? Besides, it has been proven that the video did not show the death of the child actor.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:12

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Maybe we are all confusing Al Durah with Lazuruz hell you freaks are just sick sick sick

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:23

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Maybe we are all confusing Al Durah with Lazuruz

You, maybe. You confuse a lot of people with other people, don't you?

hell you freaks are just sick sick sick

Says who? LOL! The Al Durah hoax has been exposed in France. Those who pretended Al Durah death was true sued the one who told them it was a fake. And they lost! The judges, having even more data and more video footage than the layman, decided in their foolishness that ther was no libel in saying it was a hoax, a fake.

Try to grasp it, Wheelchair!

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:25

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an IDF investigation into christmas would doubtless conclude that it was all the turkeys fault

Turkey did not exist at the time, Wheelchair!

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/bt/bt_fact_tear.shtml

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:27

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"The deadly effects of tear gas would only occur following exposure to a dosage several hundred times greater than the amount of tear gas typically used by law enforcement officials for crowd control."

As Elder of Zion says, "the story is just not adding up."

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/01/more-questions-about-abu-rahma....

Stanley Walinets

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:28

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Damn! I was in the middle of responding to some of these comments, went briefly to another site, came back, and my barely started response had disappeared! I do hate these bloody computers!!!

I won't re-start until I've seen if it re-appears tomorrow as a 'finished job'. If it does, good people, please ignore it till I've had a chance to complete it.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:33

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POSNER I don't mind you boring me i have broad shoulders but have pity on the people how many times have you been banned now ? one time ? two times ? three times ? more times ?

Darling there is a life outside of this blog

trust me

you know it makes sense

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:39

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POSNER I don't mind you boring me

Who is Posner, Wheelchair?

Darling there is a life outside of this blog
trust me

Really? And it is full of Posners too?

you know it makes sense

"it" makes always sense. It is you who don't.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:49

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stanley i dont know what rational world you live in but let me assure you..

it aint here babe

I mean we have jon who thinks that the jordanians are gonna administer the collect of the dusty bantustans left over when Israel decides which of them Israel is gonna "release" in 30 years time and this along with Egypt re assuming responsibility for Gaza is gonna fix everything

and we have POSNER who thinks that the ocupation protects Israel from becoming an apartheid state

and we have yonithan who thinks screaming queen of renegade jews into someones face is somehow funny , edifying and helpful

well...

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:57

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I do hate these bloody computers!!!

Do you hate many other things, Walinets?

If it does, good people, please ignore it till I've had a chance to complete it.

Good people will ignore it even after you complete it!

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 18:59

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and we have POSNER who thinks that the ocupation protects Israel from becoming an apartheid state

I think this Posner obsession is not receding. It is me who wrote that. And besides it was a truism. Doesn't need much explanation except to a Quarterbrain, of course.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 19:24

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"stanley i dont know what rational world you live in but let me assure you..

it aint here babe"

Not since you've started posting, idiot - that's true enough.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 19:34

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STOP PRESS:

Israeli Channel 10 news just reported that she had Leukemia - her death was nothing to do with the demo at all.

Al Dura syndrome alive and kicking....

@Stan the Wally

If you had any decency you would find a hole and quietly bury yourself in it ....

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 19:44

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Walinets wants so bad to demonise Israel that he will use every despicable method. Including posting 'Palestinian' goebbelsian propaganda.

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:01

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In fact, as for the Al Durah hoax, it seems that the natural death of 'Palestinians' is used by their propagandists to blame Israel. A woman treated for cancer and who vomits and dies is quite more likely than someone who do that just after breathing tear gas used by police forces all around the world.

Of course, useful idiots and demonising idiots are used to spread the shameless lies. How easily they swallow the fairy tales they are told!

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:02

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Under UJ, can a British citizen sue Walinets?

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:07

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If you had any decency you would find a hole and quietly bury yourself in it ....

Holes do not deserve this treatment! I protest!

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:11

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By the way, will the PA dismiss the doctor who made that incredible 'diagnosis' while he must have known that the woman died of cancer?
I mean, he must be a very bad doctor and a danger to all his patients if he cannot make the difference between cancer and respiratory syndrome...

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:21

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Israel channel 10 news is that kinda like Fox News ?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4008464,00.html

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:27

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but anyways what has any of this to do with the price of eggs. is this all about one anecdotal victory here one anecdotal defeat there

for every anecdotal victory there is an anecdotal
defeat

Armchairs law

And the seasons they go round and round....and the painted ponies they go up and down

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:35

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It seems that a friend of Walinuts and Wheelchair has been arrested!

for every anecdotal victory there is an anecdotal
defeat

Wheelchair, for each idiocy you write, there is another one written by Walinuts. (Jose's law)

jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:36

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Israel channel 10 news is that kinda like Fox News ?

No, it's like Posner News, you forgot?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:45

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well thats ok then posners news is cool eat your heart out delphi

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 20:58

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"Wheelchair, for each idiocy you write, there is another one written by Walinuts."

And three more by Quarterdick (Yoni's 3rd law of Quarterdick entropy).

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 21:05

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what does entropy mean ?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 21:16

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Look it up (if you can read).

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141524

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 21:55

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@Walinets, you piece of ordure - you going to apologise?

Story about Woman Killed by Tear Gas is a Hoax, Says IDF
Tevet 27, 5771, 03 January 11 09:38by Gil Ronen(Israelnationalnews.com)

The IDF shot down an ugly Arab hoax Monday. The Nana-Channel 10 website reported that a military investigation found that the woman who supposedly died when she inhaled tear gas at a demonstration Friday was not even present at the that protest. She did not die of tear gas inhalation but of cancer, the IDF found, and had been lying in a hospital bed for ten days before passing away.

Arabs and leftists propagated the story that the woman, Jawaher Abu Rahma, 36, had inhaled tear gas at the weekly riot at Bilin, in Samaria. Adding pathos to the story was the allegation that she was the sister of an Arab who was killed in Bilin in 2009 after being struck by a tear gas canister.

The Palestinian Authority was quick to seize upon the story for lambasting Israel. "We condemn this abominable crime by the Israeli occupation army in Bilin against people taking part in a peaceful demonstration and consider it an Israeli war crime against our people," chief PA negotiator Saeb Erakat told AFP.

However, the IDF has now stated that Jawahel Abu Rahma died of leukemia or lung cancer, and had been in Ramallah hospital for ten days before passing away. The story was a fabrication intended to delegitimize Israel, the IDF said.

Arabs in the PA have proven extremely creative in making up lies that make Israel look bad worldwide.

jose (not verified)

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 08:06

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By the way, what are the links between this Abu Rahmah family and the cameraman that fabricated the Al Durah hoax, named Talal Abu Rahmah?

Could it be a professional Pallywood family? Wouldn't that be an interesting genetic link, although this poor woman did not do the lying herself as she could not anymore. The PA is now fabricating the lies for her as, thanks to the Al Durah hoax, they know how good they look in the media when they show these "innocent martyr" hoaxes.

The problem is that they haven't got a Charles Enderlin to make the comments, this time. And since Charles Enderlin and France2 were condemned to pay Philippe Karsenty for expenses of the trial in alleged libel, I guess they will not start a second hoax of this kind.

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 08:38

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Walinets seems to have hidden himself away in abject shame...

jose (not verified)

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 09:10

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Walinets seems to have hidden himself away in abject shame...

The only place where he can remain invisible because of mimicry.

Joe Millis

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 09:16

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Jonathan Hoffman I don't know why you would promote a video which shows you in the worse possible light. I didn't believe it at first but a senior member of the community and by no means a left winger described the group that demonstrates with you outside ahava as "hoffmanite nutters."

jose (not verified)

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 09:21

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Did Milligramsam once cared to speak about the subject rather than use diversion tactics?

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 10:37

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Dear Joe aka TelegramSam

Both you and the anonymous cowardly "senior member of the community" can go take a running jump, especially as neither of you ever shows up to the Ahava counter-boycott demos.

Love and kisses
Jonathan

Joe Millis

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 10:47

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Jonathan, why this obsession with a T. Rex song? I have been to the Ahava counter demo and to the buycott (thanks for the 10 per cent discount). But it's not the be all and end-all of support for Israel.

Joe Millis

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And as I said to the communal official, I felt his comments were a bit harsh and unwarranted and that I was sure that you are a well-tempered, rational individual who listens to all sides before coming to any conclusion.