Universal jurisdiction (the law of big numbers) to change

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/vote-clegg-or-brown-dont-get-tsipi

A victory for those like me who supported the Conservatives and voted for them.

If Mick Davis is right - that British Jewry has a "left-of-centre leadership" - then this happened despite the leadership and not because of them.

The proposed change to the law on universal jurisdiction has to go through the House first.

Should it be amended, it will mean that war criminals from Israel and elsewhere may find it easier to come to the UK.

On another point, how does the siege of Gaza (world’s largest prison camp; quote courtesy of the leader of the Conservative Party) and the occupation and suppression of human rights in the WB constitute defending oneself?
Not to mention the murder of activists in international waters or the killing of over 400 children in a short two weeks in Gaza? How is that defence?

uxb
1. 400 children were not killed. Hamas has admitted that over half the casualties were Hamas terrorists. Such a ration is unheard of in modern warfare, and thanks to Israel being so careful in its targeting. The civilians casualty figure would be much lower if Hamas did not fight behind its civilian population, and use human shields.
2. Gaza is under partial blockade from Israel, because it is run by a terror entity which has declared its intention to commit genocide against the Jews. Egypt runs a total blockade, even though Hamas fires rockets into Israel (who give thousands of tonnes of supplies, wrongly in my view, to Gaza) and does not fire a single rocket into Egypt. Thus the lie that the rockets are about the partial blockade is exposed.
3. The "activists" of whom you speak were nothing of the sort, but paid up members of the IHH, a terror organization linked by France to the attempted bombing of LA airport. IHH also recruits members for the jihad in Afghanistan, currently killing British soldiers, and Afghan civilians.

Of course none of this matters to you, because you are a classic Jew hater.

Should it be amended, it will mean that war criminals from Israel and elsewhere may find it easier to come to the UK.

Can't be worth than welcoming of Omar el Bachir, the Darfur genocider being given a warm welcome by Arab countries.
By the way, did you protest that? No, that is right!
And double standards are the sure sign of antisemitism

On another point, how does the siege of Gaza (world’s largest prison camp

"prison camp 2.0". Remember the beautiful hotels the luxury cars, the beach, and the flow of US/EU money that allows all these people to live without working (except if smuggling explosive is counted as work).

and the occupation and suppression of human rights in the WB constitute defending oneself?

Suppression of human rights is organised by PA itself, not by Israel. But thanks for playing, anyway!

Not to mention the murder of activists in international waters

You mean the terrorists that were on board of the Mavi Marmara who decided they wanted to die as 'martyrs' (they might not really know the meaning of the word, but the IDF didn't have time to offer them a dictionary).

or the killing of over 400 children in a short two weeks in Gaza? How is that defence?<.blockquote>

No defence: the case has been dismissed by the Hamas itself. Since they recognised 700 of their members were killed, that leaves only room for 500 other victims. A number of which were non-Hamas terrorists, others were mostly men above 18 (non-children). There just cannot have been 400 children killed. Just maths! But you didn't make it to school, did you?

Since 2000

Palestinian Children Killed by IOF 1,452
Non participants in hostilities killed by IOG 3,535 - 4,226
Non participants in hostilities killed in the course of targeted killings 408 or more
People who were the object of targeted killing 238
People killed on their own land (therefore not a threat to israel) 6,359 (98.9%)

Source: B'Tselem

The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.

B'Tselem gets their information from PCHR, the biased NGO. Hamas admitted 700 killed. The PCHR lied as they estimated the civilians casualties were 1100, proving they took their numbers in the Hamas headquarters.

Propaganda doesn't work and the Goldstone II will have to do some magical maths trick to reconcile the 700 victims for only Hamas with the PCHR numbers.

Bye-bye, Yankee! Try your propaganda elsewhere: even the Hamas doesn't believe it!

The fact is that Israel took much more care of civilians than , say, NATO in Afghanistan. And no one is attacking NATO on their record.

But double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism

By the way, for Mohammed al Dura, did B'Tselem count one casualty?
Because the affair is now believed to be a pure fiction.

yankeeuxb
YOUR friends, (no doubt), B'Tselem reports that from 2000 to 2010 there were 664 Palestinians killed by Palestinians. Of those, 134 were killed for suspected collaboration with Israel.

Yes YankeeUXB it's a tragic conflict that has led to much loss of life on both sides, and a conflict that the Jewish state never wanted or asked for. Every loss of life - soldier, child, civilian, terrorist - is terrible.

The sooner your side make peace with our side the sooner people can get on with living peaceful lives and developing the region for future prosperity. That's what Israel has been asking for for 60 years. But they won't, because they won't recognise a Jewish State in the Middle East and that is more important to them than anything, even their childrens' futures.

Very sad, and what is saddest is that the whole thing has been completely unnecessary.

Many civilians were also killed in "workplace accidents", like the one that was presented on the French TV as an Israeli strike during Cast Lead. Alas, some people recognised the video of a Hamas truck loaded with rockets that exploded in the middle of a crowd in Gaza.
The next day, the anchorman of the French governmental TV France2 channel was red with shame announcing the mistake: they had published the same video that was published on Arab TV channels, without checking. Only the Arab TV channels never corrected the error.
Incidentally, France2 is also the channel that is responsible for the Al Dura fiction.

yankeeuxb, 100,000 French civilians killed in Normandy in a two month period (June and July 1944) - by the Allies' bombing.

In the blombing of Coventry, around 500 British civilians were killed by the Luftwaffe. In Hamburg, 55,000 German civilians were killed in the course of a weekend, by Allied bombing. The Germans lost 10 civlians to every one British civilian killed in the war.

If we reduce the conflict to your terms, obviously the Allies were bloodthirsty barbarians, and the Germans sweet innocent victims of aggression.

Idiot.

Exactly Amber: Corpse counting is only useful as a propaganda tool. But "Yankee Unexploded Bomb" is an arch propagandist, so we can't expect better of him.

And don't forget Dresden!
But even if we compare with the asymmetrical conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq for example, though fighting happen in urban zones less dense than Gaza, there are more than 30% civilian casualties due to NATO or US troops' mistakes, collateral damage during fighting, or murders.

Yankeeuxb should rather praise the Israelis for taking so much care of 'Palestinians'. Don't you think, Yankee?
Otherwise, you would have to criticise even more NATO and US than Israel.

Otherwise, that would prove you use double standards.

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

...and antisemitism is hatred for mankind. And I'm sure yankee unexploded bomb wouldn't want people to think that of him.

Ooh looky, his last post was copied directly from here:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

YankeeUXB do you have any original thoughts or words of your own or can you only do copyin' and pastin'?

Matt, he has as many original thoughts as zair - i.e. none.

Isn't it interesting that whenever we start debating the substance of his allegations, uxb never engages and does a disappearing act. It's a kind of hit and run - shout your piece of propaganda, then get out quickly so it isn't held up to scrutiny.