UJS takes leave of its senses


By Stephen Pollard
April 16, 2010
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Douglas Murray has a truly astonishing tale to tell.

A while ago, he was asked by the UJS to speak on a panel at the NUS conference in Gateshead. Tireless fighter for democracy that he is, he agreed to schlap up and do it.

Then he got a phone call:

The girl from the UJS on the other end of the phone explained that
there had been a change of plan. The UJS had decided that it would be
nice if the panel was done in association with FOSIS. Er, OK, I said.
Though FOSIS are the problem, as you know… Whilst claiming to speak for
Muslim students as a whole they have in fact repeatedly been shown to
at best represent a highly conservative and marginal portion of their
faith.

“Yes, we know all this” she said, but anyway, they wanted to go
ahead. And there was still better news. FOSIS had agreed to do the
event with them. But on one condition.

“Oh yes,” I said. Why could I guess what was coming.

“They’ll only do it as long as you don’t speak.”

As he writes:

Of course FOSIS don’t want to debate
with me. They have such a terrible track-record that if I were them I
wouldn’t want to appear against a critic who knew what my organisation
had been up to in recent years either.

But what of the UJS? If the Union of Jewish students wants to take
dictation for their events from the Federation of Student Islamic
Societies, one wonders what they think FOSIS will ever do in return.
Does the favour get reciprocated do we think? Are they going to vet any
speaker that Jewish students don’t like? Or are these students just
going to have to learn the hard way that in this matter, as in so many
others, “tolerance”, “openness” and a respect for free speech are
currently very much a one-way street.

The UJS appear to have taken leave of their senses, disinviting a brave fighter for freedom of speech and Western civilisation on the orders of thevery body which is, as Douglas calls it, "the problem".

What is going on? Read next week's JC to find out.

 

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Rich Armbach

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 13:12

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The question he is refusing to answer is " Should we support the EDL ?"

As well as Stevie I understand Hoffie and Harv are big fans too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1uNUm9Ic_Kc


joemillis1959

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 14:39

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I wonder what ever happened to that Yvetta/Daphne Anson/Hilary Rubinstein and other aliases. She was another who thought all who disagreed with her Jew Klux Klan view was a racist.


happygoldfish

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 14:46

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Rich Armbach: The question he is refusing to answer is " Should we support the EDL ?"

rich, you're lying, he [douglas murray] did answer it, and at considerable length

he said that he's always refused to have anything to do with the edl (apart from telling them, 2:45, that if they restricted themselves to opposing persecution of women and gays, "that would be great with me")

he ended (4:45)

the edl and far worse will be the sort of thing we will see far more of in europe, and it'll be a europe i think very few of us would want us to be in

unfortunately, the racists, unable to answer anti-racists such as douglas murray, continually try to discredit them by spurious claims of connection with the edl


Rich Armbach

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 14:50

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Douglas Murray

" things need to be made harder for Muslims in Euope "


Rich Armbach

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 14:52

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Learn to read he says he had nothing to do with the BNP


joemillis1959

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 14:54

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I wouldn't take Dougie Murray seriously. He's just another swivel eyed loon.


Rich Armbach

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 15:06

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I meant of course hear


Rich Armbach

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 15:07

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I don't what is interesting is who does


happygoldfish

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 17:09

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Rich Armbach: Douglas Murray
" things need to be made harder for Muslims in Euope "

ah, i wasn't aware of that islamophobic 2006 speech … thank you for drawing it to my attention (http://web.archive.org/web/20080201133647/http://www.socialaffairsunit.o...)

"Conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe – after all – no special dues to Islam. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs. There is not an inch of ground to give on this one. Where a mosque has become a centre of hate it should be closed and pulled down. If that means that some Muslims don't have a mosque to go to, then they'll just have to realise that they aren't owed one."

hmm … rich, why didn't you link to that speech in the first place, instead of lying?


Rich Armbach

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 11:09

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Don't usually do eulogies but this is amazingly brilliant

http://micahsparadigmshift.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/jewish-nationalism-chr...


Rich Armbach

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 12:03

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This is hilarious. The headline is different to that in the hard copy paper.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/110129/christian-limmud-offers-platfor...


zaheerayin

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 16:39

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Ok...the title was originally "Christians ban Israel speaker".

http://twitpic.com/d7a3sr

Why is the headline changed? What's going on?


joemillis1959

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 18:27

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Standards are falling, Zaheerayin. It's like they just don't care any more. That's why they allow Jose the blacklisted dictator goldfish to post and repost.


joemillis1959

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 18:29

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Despite claims to the contrary, There is absolutely nothing on the TV or radio this weekend worth watching or listening to. Go out or read a book. Go to the cinema or the theatre. Or a concert. Or the library. Or a football match. There are only repeats on the TV and radio.


happygoldfish

Fri, 08/09/2013 - 18:36

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zaheerayin: Why is the headline changed? What's going on?

newspaper headlines are not written by the journalists who write the articles, but by a sub-editor

in this case, the jc sub-editor wrote a headline, "Christians ban Israel speaker" (in the paper jc and in the original web jc), which was not merely not supported by the article, but was actually contradicted by it!

hmm … must be the same jc sub-editor i commented on two months ago

happygoldfish: do we now have guardian/independent sub-editors (the guys who write the headlines) working at the jc?

(or foreign office or un or al-ahram?)

the jc headline "UK minister condemns 'abhorrent' attacks on Arab property" (21/6/2013) gives the impression that the uk is criticising israel

however the jc's own text …

Mr Burt … welcomed the “widespread condemnation of these attacks in Israel and the Israeli government’s stated intention to bring those responsible to justice".

… shows that burt was praising israel

(even press tv confirms that burt "tried to purge the Israeli regime of any responsibility" )

(for the actual foreign office statement, see here)

strangely, the guardian and the independent don't seem to have reported this at all …

joemillis1959 : I too will continue to ignore him.

joe, do you actually read what you write?

ooh, wait … you're ignoring me some more!

joemillis1959 : …may I remind one and all to ignore his stuff.

it's a good job you're here to help them!

joemillis1959 : Another good tell that this Goldfish is none other the previously barred aforementioned is the fact that he will call everyone that disagrees with him a racist.

that's another lie (and a very obvious one)
joe millis, please stop ignoring my reply to your lie about me, and deleting it and reposting it later as if it was new
you have now repeated your lie over 50 times
here's my reply again

joemillis1959 : The JC used to have a policy of banning Anthony Posner and his various aliases: Blacklisted Dictator/Jose/Mitnachel et al. Let's reinstate that policy for his current alias, Happy Goldfish.

joemillis1959: (Mon 22nd April, 15:29) aka Anthony Posner/Jose/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc … Then he's like the Goldfish. And even less talented.

joemillis1959: (Thu 25th April, 16:52) Jose/Anthony Posner/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc is the Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Fri 26h April, 17:39 & 18:28; Tue 30th April, 09:41 & 10:00): Jose/Anthony Posner/Blacklisted Dicktator/etc - aka the Happy Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Mon 29th April, 18:06; Mon 29th April, 18:34): Why can't the JC deal with "Happy Goldfish" who also goes by the names off Lbnaz/Jose/blacklisted d/Anthony p/ etc? They were banned, why not he?

joemillis1959 (Thu 13th June, 18:59): I see that crappy goldfish/Jose/blacklisted Posner/ Anthony dick-tator etc is still posting and reposting despite being barred here several times.

joemillis1959 (Fri 19th July, 15:58 & 17:39): The only anti-arab racist I see here is Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator

joemillis1959 (Fri 19th July, 17:54): Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator… All Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator ever does is re-post inanities, just like those whom you previously banned did. That's because he is one and the same as them.

joemillis1959 (Fri 19th July, 18:12 & 18:49): … Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator … always claimed that all who disagreed with his view of Israel was a "racist". …All Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator ever does is …because he is one and the same as them.

joemillis1959 (Fri 19th July, 18:51): As usual Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 09:21 & 12:04 & 12:14 & 13:28): … Jose the goldfish/Posner the blacklisted dictator.

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 10:04 & 11:24 & 13:26): … Jose the goldfish/Posner the blacklisted dictator again …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July,13:25): … Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator … Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the Blacklisted Dictator …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 13:29): … Jose the goldfish/Anthony he blacklisted dictator …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 14:23): Jose the blacklisted dictatorial goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 15:28): … Jose the goldfish - blacklisted on so many websites … hiding behind many pseudonyms.

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 17:45 & 18:03 & 18:39 & 18:54): Jose the blacklisted cowardly dictatorial Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Mon 22nd July, 17:46 & 18:06 & 18:39 & 18:59): I'm surprised that the JC allows a banned blogger like Jose the blacklisted dictatorial Goldfish-Posner …

joemillis1959 (Tue 23rd July, 13:15 & 14:29 & 15:44): … Jose Anthony Posner the blacklisted dictator Goldfish.

joemillis1959 (Tue 23rd July, 16:27): Jose the Goldfish/Anthony Posner the blacklisted dictator (quite properly blacklisted, in fact) …

joemillis1959 (Tue 23rd July, 16:59): Obviously, Jose the blacklisted dictator Goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Tue 23rd July, 17:48): Jose the dictatorial happy goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Tue 23rd July, 18:09): Meanhile, Jose the dictatorial blacklisted Goldfish-Posner …

joemillis1959 Wed 24th July, 18:57): Looks like Jose the blacklisted dictator Goldfish …

joemillis1959 Thu 25th July, 12:16): Maybe if the JC blocks Jose the Happy dictatorial blacklisted dictator …

joemillis1959 (Thu 25th July, 13:00 & 18:59; Fri 26th July, 16:55 & 17:04): The blogger who goes by the name of Happy Goldfish is a cyber-reincarnation of a person who has already been twice barred here - under the names of Jose, Blacklisted Dictator and Anthony Posner, as well as perhaps others.

joemillis1959 (Thu 25th July, 15:55): Not even jose the racist blaclisted goldfish dictator.

joemillis1959 (Thu 25th July, 16:58 & 18:59): "Bringing along Anthony 'Jose the blacklisted happygoldfish dictator' Posner …

joemillis1959 (Thu 25th July, 16:58 & 18:59; Fri 26th July, 16:39): "Bringing along Anthony 'Jose the blacklisted happygoldfish dictator' Posner …

joemillis1959 (Mon 29th July, 18:56): … Jose the blacklisted dictatore goldfish …

joemillis1959 (Tue 30th July, 13:37): … happygoldfish, a pseudonym for the banned Jose and blacklisted dictator …

joemillis1959 (Tue 30th July, 15:06): Me thinks the multi-pseudonym happygoldfish blacklisted dictator Jose doth protesteth too mucheth

joemillis1959 (Fri 9th Aug, 17:52 & 18:27): That's why they allow Jose the blacklisted dictator goldfish …

i have no connection with those, or with any other present or former bloggers on this site

joemillis1959: (Mon 25th March, 18:29) He may claim he's not, but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence.

uhh??

did any of the others know how to produce background colours, or red or blue type?

did any of the others preface every quote with a clickable link so that it could be checked?

did any of the others repeatedly link to their own outside blog about oranges ducks and arch-rabbis?

were any of the others goldfish? (you haven't even got the right species! )

oh … and did any of the others use smilies?

joe millis, please stop harrassing me, and propagating the lie that my behaviour has previously caused me to be banned

there are racists on this website who think there is nothing wrong with lying, so long as they are criticising israel, or criticising people who defend israel

they decide what they want to be true, and then say it anyway, in the absence of any evidence other than their own prejudice, and often contrary to the actual evidence

one reason why so few people defend israel on thejc.com … compared with other sites such as the guardian's "comment is free" … is the unchecked lying or bullying that they'll sooner or later be subjected to

joemillis1959: (Mon 25th March, 10:53) He may claim he's not, he may introduce all sorts of snazzy colourful backgrounds and daft graphics - any one with a modicum of HTML coding knowledge can do that (and Jose claimed to be a computer whizz kid) - but his modus operandi is far too similar for it to be a coincidence. Just ignore him.

some historians are motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with their own beliefs even if that involves distortion and manipulation of evidence

joe millis is the author of an illustrated history of jerusalem

if his approach to evidence as a historian is as reliable as in his accusation against me, then his book may be an excellent buy as a work of fiction, or as a children's picture book, but cannot seriously be considered as a reliable research resource

joe millis, elected deputy for bromley reform synagogue, wants to accuse me of racism
he knows that he can't quote anything i've written to support this

so instead he quotes what someone else has written – under a pseudonym – and accuses me of being that person

he tells this lie not once but repeatedly, in a cyberbullying campaign to try to chase me off this website

he has decided what he wants to be true, and then says it anyway, in the absence of any evidence other than his own prejudice, and contrary to the actual evidence

he knows that he has no grounds for his lie, but he also knows that it is impossible for me to disprove it (because of the other person's pseudonym)

this is how the elected deputy for bromley reform synagogue pursues his baseless hatred

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