The Vatican: critical of Israel yet silenced by Jihadejavu

An interesting historical perspective on The Vtican's realtions with Israel:

http://ezinearticles.com/?To-Recognize-Or-Not-to-Recognize-Israel---That...

"Ultimately, the Vatican would shamefully continue in its refusal to recognize the State of Israel until 1993, 45 years after its founding and 14 years after its greatest foe, Egypt, had recognized its right to exist in 1979. The Vatican was one of the last states in the world to do so." (Gabriel Wilensky)

I think that the above quote certainly puts The Vatican's current willingness to criticize Israel into some historical context. But one wonders what it really thinks about The Jihadists. Perhaps there is a certain amount of sympathy for their hatred of Israel and The Jews?

I have a book published some 4 decades ago: "The Catholic Chruch and Nazi Germany" by Guenter Lewy.

From the back cover:

"... demonstrates the German Catholic Church's sympathy with some of the goals of National Socialism and its gradual entrapment in Nazi policies and programs...."

A play in the sixties by Hochuth - "The Representative" discussed the Pope's silence - and thus responibilities - during the Holocaust.

Theologically, the Church had no problem with the extermination of those who killed its god. That is, until the State of Israel arose, and then they had to explain why the Wandering Jew wandered no more. They did so in Vatican II in 1965, in a schema stating that Jews alive today were not responsible for killing Christ.

Computer-wise, we would be justified in the light of this, of requesting the Catholic Church to go back and perform an UNDO on the Holocaust ...

Wasn't the UNDO performed by the previous Pope, John Paul II, when he visited Yad Vashem? Hasn't the current Pope, Benedict XVI, visited Israel (including Yad Vashem)? Did eithetr of them visit Saudi or Iran or make any pro-Islamic statements? And what about Vatican II's Nostra Aetate (our state)?

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.

5. We cannot truly call on God, the Father of all, if we refuse to treat in a brotherly way any man, created as he is in the image of God. Man's relation to God the Father and his relation to men his brothers are so linked together that Scripture says: "He who does not love does not know God" (1 John 4:8).

No foundation therefore remains for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned.

The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.

Supporter of the gays is now also the Catholic Church spokesman here. Well, with all those priests, there's no contradiction.

All the fool has done is to copy in detail the document I saw fit to mention only briefly as the 'schema'. And I don't think he understands the full meaning of what he has spat out here.

It really must have been very hurtful going to yeshivah and having that done to you, by people whom you trusted. Still, that doesn't mean you can't be healed. Last year's shooting at Bar No'ar must have been very confusing for you.

I note, Avraham, that you get abusive and defensive when you get busted. So what about JPII and Benny XVI? Are they part of some sort of anti-semitic conspiracy?

Yeah an the pope persuaded the allies to bomb the chit out of trastevere cuz he thought there might be the odd commie lurking there

interesting how the anti sewmites are lefties when they always used to be righties. Interesting how Israels internal contradictions have turned the world upside down well the jewish world anyways

child-molester, your (Catholic) church performed the Spanish Inquisition, and the Vatican still maintains "the Office of the Inquisition" - although if they tried anything nowdays, the IDF orchestra could take the Vatican in one hour, including a 15-minute coffee break.

Bothers you, as a Catholic, doesn't it? The Jews have arisen! That's why you are hanging around here, unwanted as you are.

I wonder how the Vatican would react if Jews were attacking Christians in Israel and beyond. Would The Vatican be quite so nonchalant?

Can we not have a discussion without Avraham Reiss calling stephneb a "child molester"?
Just this once. How about it, Av?

On an historical note, Avraham, I believe it was Stalin wot asked how many divisions the Pope had. And look what happened to him and his failed ideology…

I'm sure that asacatholic Stephen would be quite happy if one particular Jew had arisen, dontcha think?

Av raises an interesting point....

Could Jerusalem destroy Rome?

And if it did, would there be any international repercussions?

Hell, even the Manchester United could take on the Italian Army and win!

But the real victory is the spiritual one - the triumph of Judaism over Christianity.

It has to happen, because Christianity's purpose was to pull Mankind one step forward from the world of idolatory, which it did in part; Judaism regards part of Christianity as idolatorous (because they bow down to a physical symbol), but its a better world than that at the time of Christianity's inception.

And Islam went one step further, by stating "there is only one G-d". Allahu Ahkbar!

Both of these religions, according to Maimonedes (tscum of course will be familiar with the exact source and will post it here forthwith) furthered and published in the world the concept of a Messiah. So when he comes, the world will know what we are talking about.

Now this is where you guys with your Israel thing blew it .
The jews of europe and the middle east were the last hold outs against the unholy alliance of greek idealism ( ably represented by the church ) and roman legalism.

The Israel idolatary has scrambled your brains and gotten you all confused. The old hebrew societies were the only truly religious societies on the historical record. Ican help you. trust me

Av are you flirting with me ?

Actually, Avraham, for once you are right.

Av i couldnt give a flying chit about the vatican or the pope or the catholic church. Being catholic is a cultural background thing. it wouldnt bother me if the whole caboodle disappeared tomorrow