The Duplicity of The Guardian and Al Jazeera


By Jonathan Hoffman
January 25, 2011
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If you want just one example of the duplicity of the Israel haters, just look at this ...

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ibrows

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 15:00

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still using dodgy blogs as 'reliable sources' hey Jonny, so things will never change


mattpryor

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 15:03

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Maybe you should quote some more Benny Morris at us ibrows.


zair (not verified)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 15:30

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Yep ibrows, some things never change


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 15:45

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If Tzipi had any inclination to comply with international law, how come she was so happy with all the illegal settlements? Here she is quoted in the leaked documents

"The Israeli policy is to take more and more land day after day and that at the end of the day we'll say it's impossible, we already have the land and we cannot create the state"


Yoni1

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 17:41

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The settlements are not 'illegal', ignorant antisemitic tosser.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 18:52

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waterman is a racist, who alleges that Jews bring anti-Semitism on themselves, whislt he also attempts to portray Zionists as Nazis.

His presence here is intolerable. He has to go.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 18:57

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waterman, here is one of the antisemitic utterances to come for you:

"Things like Sabra and Shatila contribute to anti Semitism. Zionism is the real enemy of Jews"

So there you have it. A massacre, not committed by the Jews (and it is a blood libel on your part to say that it is the responsibility of the Jews - still waiting for your evidence that Sharon directed the massacre from the rooftop by the way) contributes to the world hating Jews i.e. the Jews bring it on themselves. By being Zionists, they bring it on themselves.

Go screw yourself waterman.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 18:57

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Yes zair and ibrows, the visceral and relentless Jew hatred never ends.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 18:58

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In addition, waterman saying that Zionism equals racism is also anti-Semitic.


Yvetta

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:01

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Yet the JC tolerates Waterman's presence.
Funny peculiar that, innit.


Yvetta

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:03

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Peter Sissons has also shown how the BBC slavishly follows the Guardian's line, Jonathan.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:31

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Hi Amber, As an anti-Zionist I am obliged to you for these repeated opportunities to show how you get it wrong all the time.
Yes things like the Sabra and Shatila massacre(for which Ariel Sharon was found, by an Israeli tribunal, to be the main perpetrator)cause problems for Jews. Many Jewish organisations have said so, here with reference to the Gaza massacre is one of them
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652092,00.html
We can however be proud of the 400000 Israelis (8% of the population of Israel at the time) who took to the streets to denounce this crime against humanity
I have many more such examples. Please continue to provide me with the opportunity to produce them.
By the way I have responded to point about linke between Zionist extremists and links with Neo-Nazis and racists. It is on the previous thread.


Yoni1

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:33

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"As an anti-Zionist"

Anyone objecting to the Jews having a free homeland is an ANTISEMITE.

"the Sabra and Shatila massacre(for which Ariel Sharon was found, by an Israeli tribunal, to be the main perpetrator"

What a disgusting Nazi liar you are.


Yoni1

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:34

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"We can however be proud"

We don't want or need Nazis to be 'proud' of us. Go bugger yourself sideways with a screwdriver.


Armchair Quarterback

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 19:42

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jez that is the really big deal something like a million israelis are true to real ideals of zionism

this is the real demographic time bomb


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 20:05

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waterman, your post is a classic example of twisting facts to fit a narrative.

The Kahane Commission did NOT find Sharon to be the "main perpetrator" as you claim - he was found to have "indirect responsibility" - for failing to foresee how the Phalangists would act.

Lie number one to you.

Next, organizations like the CST have indeed stated that what happens in the Middle East has a knock on effect here - but they also make it clear that these are not to do with Israel's self-defence per se, but with how the events are reported and perceived here. So Jews do not contribute to anti-Semitism. There is a key difference - one that you have spectacularly failed to grasp.

And people marching in Tel Aviv? Yes, they marched against the war, and against Sharon. They did not march under a banner proclaiming that Israel's military action against terrorists contribute to anti-Semitism.

So through a selection of lies, you claim to hold the moral and intellectual highground.

What a joke.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 20:05

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Waterman is a racist anti-Semite - he has to go.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 20:07

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waterman's claim that Zionism is intrinsically racist is also anti-Semitic. Self-determination is good for all peoples - except Jews, it seems.


amber

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 20:08

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wtareman, what about links between anti-Nazis and Zionists?

What a selective propagandist you are.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 21:52

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Amber, Here is what the Kahane commission said
"The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister"
Sharon personally supervised the massacre from a hotel roof at the edge of the camps. The Phalange waited for his instructions before entering. The IDF kept the floodlights on all night to help the fascists murder civilians and children.
And you want to defend it. Zionism, doncha just luvvit


Yoni1

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 22:18

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"Sharon personally supervised the massacre from a hotel roof at the edge of the camps"

Nazi liar.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 00:11

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But Yoni,
If I am a Nazi why am I not supporting Zionism like the BNP and the EDL? Ruth Smeed of the Board of Deputies says that "the BNP website is now the most Zionist on the web"
para 6 of this article ---

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/apr/10/thefarright.race

And why do I not join the EDL in backing the ZF members who go along to help Ahava promote the sale of its stolen goods? There are plenty of photos of this collaboration in action To be a good Nazi these days you have to promote Zionism, not attack it


amber

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 00:17

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waterman, that is a blood libel. You have refused to give your source for such a blood libel.

But then, being a racist piece of garbage, hatred is what leads you.


amber

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 00:18

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Hey waterscum, I notice you've gone quiet now I presented you with the evidence you kept calling for.

care to retract your racist words?


amber

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 00:19

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waterman trying to present Zionists as Nazis again - JC, why are you tolerating this racism?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 07:40

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Yep ibrows, some things never change

And zair is one of them.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 07:41

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If Tzipi had any inclination to comply with international law, how come she was so happy with all the illegal settlements?

Well, if you had any inclination to comply with international law, how come you are an antisemite?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 07:44

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Yes things like the Sabra and Shatila massacre(for which Ariel Sharon was found, by an Israeli tribunal, to be the main perpetrator)cause problems for Jews.

That is totally false. Ariel Sharon is not any "perpetrator" and no tribunal, Israeli or other, has ever blamed him for that. You are an antisemitic liar, Waterdrop, not just an "anti-Zionist" (antisemitism in tuxedo).


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 07:46

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Waterdrop himself admits he lied in his quote of the Kahane commission: nowhere it says that Sharon is a perpetrator of any war crime.

That is the point with antisemites like Waterdrop: they cannot even read simple English, let alone Hebrew.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 08:05

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Jonathan, the antisemites use this kind of tricks every day. The most stupid propaganda is to take quotes out of context and pretend they have an absolute meaning.
Then, they also use blattant false quotes of Ben Gurion, Moshe Dayan, Golda Meir and others.


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 08:26

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WaterBrain: "If I am a Nazi why am I not supporting Zionism like the BNP and the EDL?"

Answer: Because not all Nazis support Israel


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 08:28

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Jose

Yes.

To be a racist requires intellectual dishonesty because it itself intellectually dishonest.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 09:36

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"To be a good Nazi these days you have to promote Zionism"

This statement all on its own (never mind the foul mindset you exhibit in calling the EDL 'Nazis') proves that you are a Nazi.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 15:20

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Jonathan:

Answer: Because not all Nazis support Israel

In fact, no Nazi at all support Israel, because to be a Nazi, one has to be antisemite (and anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism), and genocidal. Difficult to reconcile such an ideology with support of Israel or Zionism, of course.
BNP and EDL may be called "extreme right" or "fascists", but as long as they support Israel, they cannot be called "Nazis".

But Waterdrop is just an idiot who cannot understand his own language.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 17:29

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The EDL and the BNP are quite different things. It's only loonie lefties, antisemites, Guardian-readers and other assorted idiots who conflate them.

The BNP are a seriously deranged bunch of weirdos. The EDL are patriots who object to the Islamist colonisation and takeover of their country, and understand the threat to world peace of inherent Islamist aggression. They know that Israel is at the forefront of any chance of saving our civilisation.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 20:41

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Waterdrop was terminated. Expect him to return with another pseudo.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 21:08

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"Waterdrop was terminated "

Does the JC really not know how ridiculous it looks when it tries to cleanse it's blog site in order to maintain it as a safe environment for a handful of hysterical foul mouthed ranters ?

"Expect him to return with another pseudo."

And so types the king of coming back with another pseudo


Yoni1

Wed, 01/26/2011 - 21:13

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"a safe environment for a handful of hysterical foul mouthed ranters"

And some of them also Jew-haters on top of that, like you.

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