The Case For God


By mattpryor
September 7, 2010
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I watched this programme on BBC One last night in which Jonathan Sacks took part in a series of one-to-one debates with some of his leading critics including Howard Jacobson and Alain de Botton. Highly recommended in case you missed it.

The programme is available on BBC iPlayer here for UK residents:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tq6rt/The_Case_for_God/

Happy New Year,
Matt

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Joshua18

Tue, 09/07/2010 - 17:13

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The case against God:

http://tinyurl.com/242wyod


DLeigh-Ellis

Tue, 09/07/2010 - 17:46

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K then Josh... Any argument to make your point, or just the usual stab in the dark?

cheers for the link Matt, will check it out after the hoovering is done...


mattpryor

Tue, 09/07/2010 - 18:15

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Josh: Actually Jonathan Sacks does talk about the Holocaust towards the end of the program, and he is posed almost exactly the same question as you: How can God allow that to happen?

His answer is that God does not interfere with free will, and cannot stop men from committing evil acts. But he does act to inspire and give courage to those that oppose evil. His exact words were "God is in protest against the crowd", and he describe Judaism as "the religion of protest".

He also acknowledged that many Jews lost their faith because of the Holocaust, and he kept his but lost his faith in secularism.


Joshua18

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 10:18

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"K then Josh... Any argument to make your point, or just the usual stab in the dark?"

No prizes for guessing why you are an unemployed nobody.


Joshua18

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 10:19

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"His answer is that God does not interfere with free will, and cannot stop men from committing evil acts."

Nothing original there. So why did God allow such a state of affairs in the first place?

Not of course that God exists.


DLeigh-Ellis

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 18:23

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Josh, I work full time and write in my spare time for a variety of magazines and journals... I'm not wealthy but I'm pretty far from unemployed... Are you projecting again?

Btw wanted to reply to your other accusation that i'm more unreasonable than the Nazi's but you don't seem to accept private messages, and to be honest... I've realised now that even if I were to respond, you would't be interested anyway... Not your fault, it's just your way.

It must be nice to live in la-la land. A lot easier than the real world.

Btw, I'm still intrigued to know how old you are?

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Anyway,

Watched the programme last night Matt, very much enjoyed it... Although I disagree with the Rabbi on one issue, I think potentially a Beethoven, Miles Davis and Simon and Garfunkle mashup could be amazing!


mattpryor

Thu, 09/09/2010 - 17:28

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@Joshua18:

"Nothing original there. So why did God allow such a state of affairs in the first place?"

He didn't - people did. People also stood up to it. Like the people that gave shelter to Jews and put their own lives and those of their families at risk, or the people that helped Jews escape Europe - again at enormous personal risk. Don't you think that must have required huge amounts of courage? Where do you think that courage came from?

@DLE:

I agree that would be amazing. I think that should be your challenge - make it, send it to Rabbi Sacks and see what he says ;)

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